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Is This The End? Trump Suborned Perjury With Michael Cohen's Testimony to Congress

Deuce said:
Obama is neither president nor a subject of a criminal investigation. Nice deflection.

Trump says he isn't guilty. He lies all the time, therefore is guilty. Right?
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He's has a history of lying and you worship the clown.

Look, if you don't like getting into the gutter, don't drag things into the gutter.

All I did was point out that Buzzfeed hasn't actually seen the documents and is relying on a couple of anonymous sources. Then, you lose your ****. :lamo
 
apdst said:
He's has a history of lying and you worship the clown.

Look, if you don't like getting into the gutter, don't drag things into the gutter.

All I did was point out that Buzzfeed hasn't actually seen the documents and is relying on a couple of anonymous sources. Then, you lose your ****. :lamo
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lol..."you can keep your doctor" vs 5 lies a day from Trump. Desperate today arencha?
 
apdst said:
Another one loses his ****.
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So, lying to congress is OK with you as long as the liars are Republicans. We get it.
 
apdst said:
He's has a history of lying and you worship the clown.

Look, if you don't like getting into the gutter, don't drag things into the gutter.

All I did was point out that Buzzfeed hasn't actually seen the documents and is relying on a couple of anonymous sources. Then, you lose your ****. :lamo
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You're the one freaking out here, and you're the one who brought up a vague "history of lying."
 
Deuce said:
Are Cohen and his attorney's just too dumb to know it wasn't a crime? Wait, no. A step further. Too dumb to even ask the question?
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It doesn't matter. Even if they were. Federal Prosecutors are legally prevented from allowing a defendant to plead guilty to a crime they did not commit. Federal Judge's are prevented from accepting guilty pleas from defendants for crimes that cannot be proven before the judge, with actual evidence. They cannot just blindly accept a guilty plea or an affirmation of a crime committed. The sentencing phase requires an evaluation of evidence which supports and corroborates the charges admitted to by a defendant.

It is the height of absurdity to try and deflect away that Individual-1 was not directly proven to have been involved in this criminal conspiracy. Regardless of who that person would be. But given that it was the POTUS makes it even MORE absurd, as the professional Prosecutors (Appointed by Trump himself) of SDNY would never risk even the slightest hint of uncertainty or impropriety in declaring the President an unindicted co-conspirator to these series of crimes unless they had overwhelming evidence proving beyond a shadow of a doubt his involvement. Nor would a Federal Judge have allowed this to b read into the public record, without thorough review of the corroborating evidence before him, implicating the President of the United States.

It is completely fantastical thinking and highly indicative of what is wrong with a certain segment of society. They are woefully uninformed on some of the most basic matters. Like how a court case works. How a plea agreement works. What goes in to sentencing someone.
 
calamity said:
So, lying to congress is OK with you as long as the liars are Republicans. We get it.
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There is MAGA Patriotic perjury, which is MAGA and then what Libruls do which is EVIL!

Plus ya know, consider who you're talking to, he's about 45 cards shy of a full deck.:roll:
 
NebraskaFtball said:
It depends on if you want to discuss this from a political perspective or a legal perspective. And no, Clinton did not suborn perjury. He committed perjury. There is a difference. And both are actually obstruction of justice. And Clinton's obstruction of justice, as with Richard Nixon, were outlined in the articles of impeachment. So, it is safe to assume you believe articles of impeachment should now be drafted for Trump?
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Yes, BC did suborn perjury, artical 2;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/articles122098.htm

If this is true and 2/3rds of the Senate vote to convict, then yes. Ooooooooh but what a black mark on the Dem party. After voting against impeachment and then acquitting BC of subornation of perjury and then convicting DT of the same.
 
hanger4 said:
Yes, BC did suborn perjury, artical 2;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/articles122098.htm

If this is true and 2/3rds of the Senate vote to convict, then yes. Ooooooooh but what a black mark on the Dem party. After voting against impeachment and then acquitting BC of subornation of perjury and then convicting DT of the same.
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Because lying about a bj and lying about being compromised by hostile foreign nations , all same same on the seriousness level, both clear nothingburgers!:roll:
 
Deuce said:
"Nobody argued whether the charge was even valid or not. Nobody presented facts that prove Trump actually did what Cohen said he did."
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Right.

You do know that I was talking about during court proceedings, right? I said nothing about whether Cohen and his lawyers considered the issue before it got to court.

Moving on...
 
NebraskaFtball said:
That is fascinating considering your apparent aversion to facts that you don't like. You probably do not see the irony here though, do you?
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What facts do you think I don't like?
 
markjs said:
Suborning perjury!

I know you don't care though.
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So the business deal in and of itself was not illegal.

Yes I do care, I believe B Clinton should have been removed for his perjury and subornation of perjury.
 
hanger4 said:
So the business deal in and of itself was not illegal.

Yes I do care, I believe B Clinton should have been removed for his perjury and subornation of perjury.
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Purjury and suborning perjury is, PERIOD, even if it's about something not illegal. You only care that Trump gets away with it thoguh.
 
markjs said:
Because lying about a bj and lying about being compromised by hostile foreign nations , all same same on the seriousness level, both clear nothingburgers!:roll:
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*compromised by hostile foreign nations*

Nice strawman, your non response is dismissed.
 
hanger4 said:
*compromised by hostile foreign nations*

Nice strawman, your non response is dismissed.
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Good thing the FBI is smarter than you.

I know, Putin's a good guy, we should give a mulligan right?

Naw your boy is compromised, willingly or not, compromised, but you don't care.....

Question: Is Trump a “Useful Idiot” for Putin?

Answer: Yup.

The phrase “useful idiots” (полезные дураки, in Russian) is often attributed to Lenin—though probably not accurately—and refers to people in the West who can be counted upon by virtue of naivete or stupidity to act on Russia’s behalf while not being active agents. This is probably the best way to understand the relationship between Trump and Putin. The evidence of a bromance between them is uncontestable. The evidence of an affinity in personality and strongman nastiness is as well.

Moreover, the evidence is neither contested or contestable that Trump has taken public positions exceedingly favorable to Russia and far outside of the American mainstream. As Foer points out at great length in his excellent piece, Trump has repeatedly sought to do business in Russia and acquired financing from Russian sources. He has proposed Russia-friendly policies, even to the point of proposing to abandon NATO allies. He has praised Putin repeatedly. And he has surrounded himself with people who have extensive histories representing the interests of those close to Putin. Only today, Trump openly sided with Russian intelligence against the United States and urged further spying.

Small wonder that Russia has responded by seeking to advance Trump’s cause domestically, both by covert and overt means. Who needs an agent when you get so much for free?
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markjs said:
Purjury and suborning perjury is, PERIOD, even if it's about something not illegal. You only care that Trump gets away with it thoguh.
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So it's not the as the OP postulated.

If Trump is found to have committed perjury and subornation of perjury as President then yes he should be removed from office.
 
Chomsky said:
Yep, and there's a huge attendant danger. Remember the old Voltaire quote?

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities”

It's true of course, and scary as hell.
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I love learning new things. Thanks for that Voltaire quote.
 
calamity said:
lol..."you can keep your doctor" vs 5 lies a day from Trump. Desperate today arencha?
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These people are not rational so don't expect it to make sense. To them Trump is a saint and Obama was Richard Nixon.
 
hanger4 said:
Yes, BC did suborn perjury, artical 2;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/articles122098.htm

If this is true and 2/3rds of the Senate vote to convict, then yes. Ooooooooh but what a black mark on the Dem party. After voting against impeachment and then acquitting BC of subornation of perjury and then convicting DT of the same.
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Suborn appears nowhere in the articles of impeachment that I can find. Will you please link us to it?

And for the record, I supported the impeachment of Clinton on the basis of obstruction of justice. As for the black mark on the Democratic Party, meh. While technically correct, the underlying issues are vastly different. Hardly are these apples-to-apples comparisons.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/trump-russia-cohen-moscow-tower-mueller-investigation





Reporting done by renowned investigative journalist Jason Leopold informs us that Donald Trump personally instructed Cohen to lie to Congress. And this is not just a he said-he said situation. There is corroborating evidence that the SCO possesses that back up and confirm this to be the case. Trump sought to have Cohen suborn perjury in order to obscure his involvement with Russia.

According to Bill Barr, who will likely be the next AG, any effort by a President to suborn perjury is absolutely Obstruction of Justice, as stated in his confirmation hearing.



This is bad. Really, really bad for Trump and his children. It appears as if not only Trump Sr. has committed a High Crime and broken the oath of office, but his adult children are also in serious legal jeopardy as well.

So to all of you Trump supporters, do you care that Trump obstructed justice and ordered his personal attorney to lie to Congress? Is it starting to sink in yet just how much trouble Trump is in? Or how corrupt this man truly is to his core?

And on the heels of this report, the Democratic-led House via the Intelligence Committee and the Judiciary Committee are both launching investigations into this aspect of these revelations. With Mr. Cohen set to publicly testify February 7th, the stakes are as high as ever now for the Criminal-in-Chief.
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Is this the end?

In a word: Yes.

If the reports are accurate, this is the beginning of the end. And while that "end" might include Trump himself not serving a day of time beyond bars (as part of some eventual deal to resign or spill his guts about all he has done on behalf of the Putin and the Russians), the Trump siblings will not be so lucky.

And, in all honesty, I think their Dad will be ok with that.

I'm reminded, once again, of the anonymous quote offered from someone in the national intelligence community in the immediate aftermath of Trump's inauguration and during the revelations about Michael Flynn's flameout (i.e. "He (Trump) will die in jail"), and the only thing I can conclude is that they have known about Trump's lies, collusion, obstruction and...possibly treason....for years now.
 
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