Is This The End? Trump Suborned Perjury With Michael Cohen's Testimony to Congress

[Checkerboard Strangler]

If they do move on impeachment, I can only hope it is because the GOP has opted to stand with them for what is best for the nation, and not just the party.

It can only happen if the GOP stands with them.
Some folks keep overhearing muttered conversations about how much some unnamed people love the luxurious staterooms on the Titanic and don't want to leave in an ugly lifeboat. After all, "she" is unsinkable, or so they were told.

:lamo

 

[NebraskaFtball]

That "fact" was never tested in court. That means it's nothing more than an allegation. That Cohen says he did it means nothing...especially since he's a confirmed liar.

Show me the proof. Heck, just show me some evidence.

Um....yes, that FACT was tested in court. Cohen's words in court are irrelevant in total. What, you think a Federal Judge allows people to admit to felonies that never occurred? That Federal Judge's don't require evidence to corroborate crimes were committed as admitted to during a guilty plea? Do you know so little about our own court system? That Prosecutors can submit evidence of their claims that are not factually and fully accurate? That is some next level self-delusion there my man.

You claim to like facts, yet when facts are presented you don't like, suddenly they are no longer facts? Come back to reality, it is cozy here.

 

[Deuce]

That "fact" was never tested in court. That means it's nothing more than an allegation. That Cohen says he did it means nothing...especially since he's a confirmed liar.

Show me the proof. Heck, just show me some evidence.

That's Mueller's job, he'll do it when he's finished.

 

[markjs]

Hotair? :lol:

No, that is not craw-fishing. Don't believe it if you don't want to. I'll take what we know about the Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist, and him saying he has 100% confidence in reporting, as even hotair admits, over the denials of Rudy Giuliani any day of the week.

Well to be fair you're new here, This guy, well, you'll see. He posts, well, there are probably actual fence posts could do MUCH better!:roll:

Oh and DON'T fall for him asking for any answer, he just wants you to chase down links he can ignore and then ask the same question, as if he cared about answers. Truly a "black hole" of posting oblivion, down the alt-right "facts are what Trumpy says they are" rabbit hole!

 

[NebraskaFtball]

Thanks, but I'll decline your invitation to measure the size of our...conservatism.

But, I should remind you what we are talking about here so you don't move your own goal posts around the field.

"...the vast majority of the Republicans in the Senate believe in party first, personal political power second, country a distant third. Maybe interchange the first two even."

We certainly do have a lot of Dem Senators to compare to those Republicans you speak of.

Insomuch that narrow definition, I'd largely agree. However, there is still one massive difference between the two parties as a result of their decision to go all-in with Trump.

 

[apdst]

Hotair? :lol:

No, that is not craw-fishing. Don't believe it if you don't want to. I'll take what we know about the Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist, and him saying he has 100% confidence in reporting, as even hotair admits, over the denials of Rudy Giuliani any day of the week.

Buzzfeed admitted they haven't actually seen the documents. That's a credibility blow and don't pretend that Buzzfeed is batting a thousand.

If you mean Leopold, he has a history of using fake documents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/16/AR2006061601754_2.html

 

[NebraskaFtball]

Well, I don't know about you, but I know a thing or two.

How do you know that you know a thing or two though, is the real question. :thinking

 

[markjs]

The very funniest thing in history would be if pence goes down with the rest of the trump crime family and pelosi becomes the first woman president in history because of trumps crimes!!!!:lamo:lamo:lamo

Yeah, that would be WONDERFUL! I don't even like Pelosi, she's a sell out corporate dem we need to move past. But she's a tough old bitch, and a proven leader even so. God would be worht it just to hear the crying! My god they would threaten armed rebellion, of course that would be a total nothingburger as we know, but wow, the crying would be EPIC!

 

[markjs]

How do you know that you know a thing or two though, is the real question. :thinking

I'm sure you're beginning to realize (as you are clearly fairly sharp) that some of these guys, this one in particular, their entire psyche is based on non stop worship and defense of Trump. I think what it boils down to, is even if they didn't watch "The Apprentice" they totally bought that image of him, and they literally can't fathom that it wasn't real.

 

[Deuce]

Buzzfeed admitted they haven't actually seen the documents. That's a credibility blow and don't pretend that Buzzfeed is batting a thousand.

If you mean Leopold, he has a history of using fake documents.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/16/AR2006061601754_2.html

I wonder how many people would all have to be independently lying for apdst's grand media conspiracy to be accurate. I mean, he believes every single story coming out about the Trump admin's internal situation is a flat-out falsification.

 

[Mycroft]

Um....yes, that FACT was tested in court. Cohen's words in court are irrelevant in total. What, you think a Federal Judge allows people to admit to felonies that never occurred? That Federal Judge's don't require evidence to corroborate crimes were committed as admitted to during a guilty plea? Do you know so little about our own court system? That Prosecutors can submit evidence of their claims that are not factually and fully accurate? That is some next level self-delusion there my man.

You claim to like facts, yet when facts are presented you don't like, suddenly they are no longer facts? Come back to reality, it is cozy here.

It's not a judge's job to play the part of a defense attorney.

In this case, the prosecution made a charge. The defendant plead guilty. The judge passed the sentence.

Nobody argued whether the charge was even valid or not. Nobody presented facts that prove Trump actually did what Cohen said he did.

All we have is Cohen's words...and his words aren't worth much.

 

[NebraskaFtball]

I've long said that if law enforcement finds it justifiable to relieve an ordinary citizen of the cash in their wallet due to suspicion of ill gotten gains, and "held pending further investigation", then there is no reason why law enforcement can't also relieve Trump of his property "pending further investigation".

RICO is RICO, and it was brought about to pick off the BIG crooks more than the average garden variety peasant.
If President Trump wants to strut around calling people "rats" and otherwise behave like a mobbed up gangster, then let him be treated LIKE a mobbed up gangster.

Oh boy. Don't get me started on civil forfeiture and Constitutional restrictions of our government, and the flaunting of these restrictions and the 8A by Law Enforcement. I like the theory, only because I despise Trump and believe he has attained plenty through ill-gotten means. But the Constitutionalist in me says no way!

 

[ludin]

Indeed. That will be the argument. Yet, there is a material difference between perjury to save oneself and suborning perjury.

It will be interesting to see if RICO violations come into to play with Mr. Mueller's investigation, evidence, and conclusions.

So far none of this has been substantiated other than by a questionable source that present 0 evidence.

just because it is on the internet doesn't make it true.

 

[Deuce]

It's not a judge's job to play the part of a defense attorney.

In this case, the prosecution made a charge. The defendant plead guilty. The judge passed the sentence.

Nobody argued whether the charge was even valid or not. Nobody presented facts that prove Trump actually did what Cohen said he did.

All we have is Cohen's words...and his words aren't worth much.

Really. Between Cohen (a lawyer) and his legal team (lawyers), a prosecutor, and a judge, not one single person ever wondered if this was a crime or not. This is what you ****in believe.

 

[Mycroft]

How do you know that you know a thing or two though, is the real question. :thinking

I'll leave the metaphysical existentialistic questions for you to ponder while I wait for facts.

 

[hanger4]

Basically although he lied and it was stupid the actions he lied about were not only legal and none of our ****ing business, but had absolutely zero effect on the nation or the efficiency of the president.

In other words that was actually a witch hunt and Clinton did fall into a real perjury trap and Republicans tried their best bring him down over something the country did not care about for the most part.

This is way different, we are dealing with a Russian mobbed up long time criminal who stole an election with the assistance of a foreign power who he has been associated with for fourth years.

See the difference???

What was illegal about this business deal ??

 

[markjs]

So far none of this has been substantiated other than by a questionable source that present 0 evidence.

just because it is on the internet doesn't make it true.

Up against Trump's STERLING REPUTAION FOR INTEGRITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:roll:

 

[markjs]

What was illegal about this business deal ??

Suborning perjury!

I know you don't care though.

 

[Mycroft]

Really. Between Cohen (a lawyer) and his legal team (lawyers), a prosecutor, and a judge, not one single person ever wondered if this was a crime or not. This is what you ****in believe.

Cohen and his lawyers and the prosecutor made a deal. As I said, it's not the judge's job to play defense.

It all played out...and is continuing to play out...according to script.

 

[YorkshirePete]

On its own this means nothing, they aren’t going to go by Cohens words alone as Cohen has also lied many times.

But not 7500?
I thought this was not really to do with Cohen's statements

 

[markjs]

i'll leave the metaphysical existentialistic questions for you to ponder while i wait for facts (that i will ignore).

fify!

 

[Deuce]

Cohen and his lawyers and the prosecutor made a deal. As I said, it's not the judge's job to play defense.

It all played out...and is continuing to play out...according to script.

Are Cohen and his attorney's just too dumb to know it wasn't a crime? Wait, no. A step further. Too dumb to even ask the question?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

If they didn't remove clinton over perjury they will not remove trump.

What saved Clinton was that he lied about an affair. Trump asked his lawyer to lie to Congress about the Russia investigation.

 

[Mycroft]

That's Mueller's job, he'll do it when he's finished.

Perhaps he'll show proof of something...perhaps not.

I suggest you don't count chickens.

 

[NebraskaFtball]

Of course a lot of it happened as history and that is also where any fair and impartial student would be careful to note instances where both parties have lapsed in their actions and judgment.
Blagoyevich is a prime example of a corrupt Dem gone rogue and drunk on power, and there's dozens of others.

Indeed. A very good example on the opposite side of the coin. However, the necessity for bothsiderism, as it were, I find typically unwarranted. Sure, there can be tit-for-tat examples on a slew of issues and instances. The fear of the constant need to highlight one over another, is that it begins to normalize both behaviors, when they should never be normalized. Discussing them in their own individual rights, tends to highlight the severity and disconcertion of the respective issue. But this is just stylistic preference as much as anything.

I can appreciate someone also recognizing and taking issue with something their own "side" is doing that is inappropriate. It shows a level of integrity and astuteness that is often times rare in political discussion.