Is There Any Thing Wrong with.....

[Omega Man]

No...

So the no's have it.

I guess that just leaves me a tad curious how that fits in with this comment:

...rather than the teaching of a select few...prayers included...

OM

 

[Omega Man]

And how is the concept of 'teh CORE' education is to deny God? Can you show that this is true, without resorting to aguement from assertion and meaningless rants?

Communist plot.


OM

 

[Daisy]

So the no's have it.

I guess that just leaves me a tad curious how that fits in with this comment:




OM

:roll:

 

[Cougarbear]

And how is the concept of 'teh CORE' education is to deny God? Can you show that this is true, without resorting to aguement from assertion and meaningless rants?

I did. It was developed from a communist country for the specific purpose to eliminate God from the schools and instill science and the government as the new god. I would have thought it is understood based on where it came from.

 

[RAMOSS]

I did. It was developed from a communist country for the specific purpose to eliminate God from the schools and instill science and the government as the new god. I would have thought it is understood based on where it came from.

Well, you made a claim. Do you know that there is a difference between making a claim, and backing that claim up?

 

[Cougarbear]

You keep harping about your religion of personal preference, and what is being taught, and not being taught in publicly tax funded secular schools. Are you also advocating other religions are allotted equal time in public, tax funded secualr schools ? If Not, Why not ? I ask because, if memory serves, you are Mormon ( which is fine with me ). However, as you are well aware, most mainstream Christians consider Mormons to not be 'real' Christians.

That's an old thing. Most Christians accept us as being Christians. It has taken the practice of Christian acts to remove a lot of that stigma. But, with us working a lot with other Churches, we've been able to be much more accepted. Aside from that, what does this have to do with anything being discussed. Be logical. You do know that for a couple of hundred years, no one had much problem with God being mentioned in public schools. Even using the Bible early on for reading purposes. The Bible is a rather popular book to read. And, why not approach creation science in the schools? Why spend all those years pushing the minds of children away from the beliefs of their parents? Why not debate the merits in schools? Seems the logical place to do it.

 

[marke]

A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?

If the kid does not ask questions about Christian beliefs, then the parents should bring the issues up themselves so they can be handled reasonably in discussion of the facts.

 

[stevecanuck]

Oh? The entire concept of CORE education is to deny God. It's a product of the old USSR education system of Stalin and Lenin. The fact that our education system has been leaving out the Bible, prayer and other teachings of the Bible is encouraging the denial of God. The current education system teaches the validity and acceptance of many evil and vile moral sins. Adultery, abortion on demand, homosexual behavior, transgender behavior and many more things of evil and sin. Teaching against God and the things of God is teaching to deny God and do evil. Teaching socialism as a good thing which many high schools and universities are now teaching is evil and against God. There's a lot more too.

If you were born into a Muslim village in, say, upper Epypt, you would without doubt be a devout Muslim who thinks that claiming god had a son is pure evil and a direct ticket to Hell. The vast majority of the ultra religious follow the religion of their parents. Salaamu aleykum.

 

[Cougarbear]

Well, you made a claim. Do you know that there is a difference between making a claim, and backing that claim up?

I've asked the same of you a lot as well. And, you haven't followed through.

What's wrong with Common Core: Ask a child of Stalin's Russia | Hoosiers Against Common Core - Diane Ravitch’s blog today, Is the Reform Movement Based on the Soviet Model?, mentioned a paper by Lawrence Baines called Stalinizing American Education. He points to four characteristics that both the current education reforms in the US and 1930’s Russia share. It caught my attention because I’ve had similar conversations at speaking engagements on the Common Core Standards. After my presentation, many eastern block immigrants come up to me and grab my hand and say, “this is just like it was under the Soviet Union” or “I came to America to get away from this stuff.” They are SHOCKED that Americans are so stupid and can’t see the writing on the wall."

That's just a start. You can find much more if you aren't involved with Common Core yourself. I hope not.

 

[stevecanuck]

Secular teaching is in conflict with Genesis.

Correct. As it should be.

I don't see why it would hurt to allow creationist scientific teachings into the curriculum. From what I read from their PhD's in science, physics, geologists and archeologist, there is no reason not to allow it into the books. Let the children and adults decide which they want to believe or perhaps do some investigations on their own. What are the secularists like yourself afraid of?

'Creationist science' is the king of oxymorons.

 

[devildavid]

Secular teaching is in conflict with Genesis. I don't see why it would hurt to allow creationist scientific teachings into the curriculum. From what I read from their PhD's in science, physics, geologists and archeologist, there is no reason not to allow it into the books. Let the children and adults decide which they want to believe or perhaps do some investigations on their own. What are the secularists like yourself afraid of?

There is no such thing as creationist scientific teachings. Creationism does not qualify as science.

 

[Noodlegawd]

A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?

Not only is there nothing wrong with it, I'd say that there is everything wrong with NOT doing it.

 

[Logician Man]

That's an old thing. Most Christians accept us as being Christians. It has taken the practice of Christian acts to remove a lot of that stigma. But, with us working a lot with other Churches, we've been able to be much more accepted. Aside from that, what does this have to do with anything being discussed. Be logical. You do know that for a couple of hundred years, no one had much problem with God being mentioned in public schools. Even using the Bible early on for reading purposes. The Bible is a rather popular book to read. And, why not approach creation science in the schools? Why spend all those years pushing the minds of children away from the beliefs of their parents? Why not debate the merits in schools? Seems the logical place to do it.

That question has been ask a zillion times, and answered a zillion times. If one religion is going to be taught in public schools, each and every other religion, including Satanism, and others gets the same amount of time to present, discuss, advocate for their respective religious views. Public schools aren't designed to accommodate all of these religions biting into the time allotment that students have to study basic,secular topics like the 3'Rs'. That is what parental guidance, churches, and clergy are for. Keep religion out of public schools.

 

[Omega Man]

:roll:

So in other words you don't care to expound upon that second comment, and how it appears to contradict the first comment.

Therefore the no's have it. You do NOT want religion -any religion (prayers included) - taught in public schools.


OM

 

[Daisy]

So in other words you don't care to expound upon that second comment, and how it appears to contradict the first comment.

Therefore the no's have it. You do NOT want religion -any religion (prayers included) - taught in public schools.


OM

:beatdeadhorse

 

[Cougarbear]

That question has been ask a zillion times, and answered a zillion times. If one religion is going to be taught in public schools, each and every other religion, including Satanism, and others gets the same amount of time to present, discuss, advocate for their respective religious views. Public schools aren't designed to accommodate all of these religions biting into the time allotment that students have to study basic,secular topics like the 3'Rs'. That is what parental guidance, churches, and clergy are for. Keep religion out of public schools.

No it doesn't. There is no reason to put all religious beliefs about the creation of the universe and the Earth anymore that we have to have all the different scientific theories about how the orgins of our universe and earth began. And, there are many. The only religions really that would be interested in having theirs in the school books would be Christian and some Jews as to relate to Genesis.

As far as keeping God out of public schools, how is that going now? Over the past 50 years, we have seen our society dive into a filth of hateful speech to each other. Especially over the past 10 or so years since Obama got the ball rolling with his attacks on white people and white cops. And, his push to an Arab Spring and war. Now, the Democrats can only speak with hatred towards Trump and his followers. All because we have lost our way from the beginnings that the Pilgrims covenanted to always keep the commandments. Today, we murder, steal, speak lies about others, covet the wealth of others, covet the women of others, marry brothers (Congresswoman Omar), Don't keep the Sabbath Holy, Deny God and take His name in vain and many other unholy and impure acts. No wonder we can't talk with civility and we deny each other's Presidents. Congress can't work together on important things that keep our country safe and sovereign. No, we need to study things of the God of Israel in our schools and not be afraid to do so. What fear do you really have? That your children might accept Christ? That's the worst thing you can imagine? Not get involved with gangs, drugs and other detrimental acts and behaviors?

 

[Cougarbear]

Correct. As it should be.



'Creationist science' is the king of oxymorons.

Have you studied any of it? It would be a different thing if it was just a bunch of ministers. But, it's not. It's PhD's in science that have degrees from MIT and many other universities of value. The Big Bang is just a theory and there are many other theories that are gaining momentum that put a damper on the Big Bang. So, why is the Big Bang accepted in schools? I'm just saying that instead of ignoring Creation science, look into it much deeper than just making an oxymoron statement about Creationists.

 

[Cougarbear]

There is no such thing as creationist scientific teachings. Creationism does not qualify as science.

Then, you should have no problem enjoying fictional thesis from places like icr.com. They have compelling scientific research in respectable journals of science. So, your statement doesn't qualify as true or honest.

 

[Daisy]

No it doesn't. There is no reason to put all religious beliefs about the creation of the universe and the Earth anymore that we have to have all the different scientific theories about how the orgins of our universe and earth began. And, there are many. The only religions really that would be interested in having theirs in the school books would be Christian and some Jews as to relate to Genesis.

As far as keeping God out of public schools, how is that going now? Over the past 50 years, we have seen our society dive into a filth of hateful speech to each other. Especially over the past 10 or so years since Obama got the ball rolling with his attacks on white people and white cops. And, his push to an Arab Spring and war. Now, the Democrats can only speak with hatred towards Trump and his followers. All because we have lost our way from the beginnings that the Pilgrims covenanted to always keep the commandments. Today, we murder, steal, speak lies about others, covet the wealth of others, covet the women of others, marry brothers (Congresswoman Omar), Don't keep the Sabbath Holy, Deny God and take His name in vain and many other unholy and impure acts. No wonder we can't talk with civility and we deny each other's Presidents. Congress can't work together on important things that keep our country safe and sovereign. No, we need to study things of the God of Israel in our schools and not be afraid to do so. What fear do you really have? That your children might accept Christ? That's the worst thing you can imagine? Not get involved with gangs, drugs and other detrimental acts and behaviors?

Ain't gonna happen, CB...Matthew 24, 1 Tim 4:1, 2 Timothy 3:1-5, 2 Peter 3:3...certain things have to be...

 

[Omega Man]

Have you studied any of it? It would be a different thing if it was just a bunch of ministers. But, it's not. It's PhD's in science that have degrees from MIT and many other universities of value. The Big Bang is just a theory and there are many other theories that are gaining momentum that put a damper on the Big Bang. So, why is the Big Bang accepted in schools? I'm just saying that instead of ignoring Creation science, look into it much deeper than just making an oxymoron statement about Creationists.

It was a Catholic who came up with the Big Bang theory.


OM

 

[stevecanuck]

Have you studied any of it? It would be a different thing if it was just a bunch of ministers. But, it's not. It's PhD's in science that have degrees from MIT and many other universities of value. The Big Bang is just a theory and there are many other theories that are gaining momentum that put a damper on the Big Bang. So, why is the Big Bang accepted in schools? I'm just saying that instead of ignoring Creation science, look into it much deeper than just making an oxymoron statement about Creationists.

I will never waste my time reading "proof" that there is a special being who simply wished the universe into existence. Carry on, and sorry for the intrusion.

 

[zyzygy]

No it doesn't. There is no reason to put all religious beliefs about the creation of the universe and the Earth anymore that we have to have all the different scientific theories about how the orgins of our universe and earth began. And, there are many. The only religions really that would be interested in having theirs in the school books would be Christian and some Jews as to relate to Genesis.

As far as keeping God out of public schools, how is that going now? Over the past 50 years, we have seen our society dive into a filth of hateful speech to each other. Especially over the past 10 or so years since Obama got the ball rolling with his attacks on white people and white cops. And, his push to an Arab Spring and war. Now, the Democrats can only speak with hatred towards Trump and his followers. All because we have lost our way from the beginnings that the Pilgrims covenanted to always keep the commandments. Today, we murder, steal, speak lies about others, covet the wealth of others, covet the women of others, marry brothers (Congresswoman Omar), Don't keep the Sabbath Holy, Deny God and take His name in vain and many other unholy and impure acts. No wonder we can't talk with civility and we deny each other's Presidents. Congress can't work together on important things that keep our country safe and sovereign. No, we need to study things of the God of Israel in our schools and not be afraid to do so. What fear do you really have? That your children might accept Christ? That's the worst thing you can imagine? Not get involved with gangs, drugs and other detrimental acts and behaviors?

Name a time when there were no murders in the USA.

 

[zyzygy]

Then, you should have no problem enjoying fictional thesis from places like icr.com. They have compelling scientific research in respectable journals of science. So, your statement doesn't qualify as true or honest.

A clock?

 

[zyzygy]

It was a Catholic who came up with the Big Bang theory.


OM

And who took the Pope to task for saying that it confirmed Genesis.

 

[zyzygy]

I will never waste my time reading "proof" that there is a special being who simply wished the universe into existence. Carry on, and sorry for the intrusion.

"Creation science" is an oxymoron.