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Is the Democratic leadership guilty of Treason for trying to impeach Trump?

Not supporting the Great Leader is treason!

Unless, of course, the leader is a Kenyan Marxist Muslim AntiChrist who really should have been impeached just on general principles. Then, it's OK.
 
JamesBY said:
Not through constitutional process, it is not.

In fact stating that such legal action is treason can be actionable for civil suit for damages for libel.
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There is no Constitutional process being perused. Lets see if you are bright enough to follow this line of reasoning...
No evidence / No crime No crime / no grounds to call for impeachment To call for impeachment without evidence is an attempt to undermine the Executive Branch of government. To deliberately try to undermine the government without evidence of a crime is an act to overthrow the government by force. = Treason.... Time to lock up Pelosi, Waters, and Schumer!
 
countryboy said:
Is that the tweet leftist loons made such a kerfuffle over? He even put "wires tapped" in quotes. Yet, that didn't stop dopey libs from crying "wiretapped wiretapped wiretapped!". :roll:

Thanks for posting that.
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Yes, because Trump has such a great grasp on grammar. He has the best words ya know!
 
jdog said:
The Democratic leadership has been calling for Trumps impeachment since the day he was elected. To this date none of them has provided a single shred of evidence that he has committed any high crimes that would warrant such action. With that being the case, should the members of Congress who have consistently called for the impeachment of the President of the United States be charged with Treason for attempting to undermine the United States Government without any proof or evidence?
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No, no, no.

First understand that impeachment is a political act, not a legal one in that the House gets to decide what constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor." You can look back at other impeachment attempts and look at the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" at the time that the Constitution was drafted but at the end of the day the House's impeachment power is not subject to review. Certainly the Senate can choose not to convict an impeached president but that doesn't negate the House's power to impeach in the first place.

In short it's a high crime or misdemeanor if the House says it is and there is no Constitutional mechanism to reverse their decision.

And interestingly enough I just read an article on the Andrew Johnson impeachment and one of the articles of impeachment against Johnson, article 10, basically said he said inflammatory things, insulted Congress brought shame to the office of President and basically acted like a dick. Pretty accurate description of the Trump Presidency so far.
 
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Gaius46 said:
No, no, no.

First understand that impeachment is a political act, not a legal one in that the House gets to decide what constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor." You can look back at other impeachment attempts and look at the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" at the time that the Constitution was drafted but at the end of the day the House's impeachment power is not subject to review. Certainly the Senate can choose not to convict an impeached president but that doesn't negate the House's power to impeach in the first place. So they get to make the rules.

And interestingly enough I just read an article on the Andrew Johnson impeachment and one of the articles of impeachment against Johnson, article 10, basically said he said inflammatory things, insulted Congress brought shame to the office of President and basically acted like a dick. Pretty accurate description of the Trump Presidency so far.
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BS! Impeachment is a process of trying a political official for crimes. For there to be a crime there must first be evidence. If a member of Congress attempts to undermine the Executive Branch knowing full well there is no evidence of a crime, then they are trying to undermine the United States Government for political gain which is TREASON!
 
Both parties have long comitted treason, both parties should suffer the death penalty at the hands of We the People, justice demands.

But yes, this effort to overthrow The Peoples Choice because they dont like him is an act of treason.

Unfortunately America has become a very ignorant and unjust land.
 
Gaius46 said:
Except that impeaching him is legal.
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NOT WITHOUT EVEDENCE OF A CRIME! Without evidence it is a deliberate attempt to undermine the United States Government for political gains. That is treason against the United States.
 
countryboy said:
Libs were talking about impeachment before Trump even took office. This is a different animal. The "constitutional process" for impeachment requires actual evidence of high crimes, and misdemeanors. To date, there is none. This is a coup attempt, nothing less.
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I think the left would unseat DJT by force if they could.
 
jdog said:
The Democratic leadership has been calling for Trumps impeachment since the day he was elected. To this date none of them has provided a single shred of evidence that he has committed any high crimes that would warrant such action. With that being the case, should the members of Congress who have consistently called for the impeachment of the President of the United States be charged with Treason for attempting to undermine the United States Government without any proof or evidence?
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They haven't done anything treasonous UNLESS they have been caught manufacturing fake news for the specific purpose of undermining the government.

But I think any American worthy of the label patriot won't vote for these hateful, angry, malicious people when they come up for election. Opposition is fine. Voting against bills is fine. But the pure venom, hatred, and encouraging a toxic and non productive culture is evil. But that's just me.
 
jdog said:
NOT WITHOUT EVEDENCE OF A CRIME! Without evidence it is a deliberate attempt to undermine the United States Government for political gains. That is treason against the United States.
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Where in the Constitution does it say that? And who is going to call the House on it and tell them they're wrong?

To quote then minority leader Gerald Ford "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.
 
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Perhaps the OP is unclear what the meaning of "treason" is under US law:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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I think the crime you may want to use to begin attacking critics of President Trump is Sedition or Advocating the Overthrow of Government and not treason.

That being said, why prosecute people for exercising their First Amendment rights and demanding that a recognised and perfectly legal process be followed to remove a president whom they reason has breached the constitution and US statutory law? Do First Amendment rights only apply to people with whom you agree? As someone commented above, impeachment is a political process and not a legal one. Why should people be threatened with legal action because they advocate for a perfectly legal remedy for a serious problem that they believe exists? If you have the right to freely express your political viewpoints then so do they. Or am I missing something here?

Advocating the Overthrow of Government is described below but hinges on the use of force to achieve that end.

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 2, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 87–486, June 19, 1962, 76 Stat. 103; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
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Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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countryboy said:
Calling for impeachment with zero evidence is legal? Witch hunts are legal? :roll:
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First of all remember that impeachment is basically an indictment. It means nothing as a practical matter unless and until the Senate actually convicts him. But yes that's the way it works. The House can impeach for any reason at all provided they get enough votes.

And as I've pointed out in this threat it isn't a criminal proceeding, the rules of evidence that apply in other criminal proceedings don't apply and not violation of a criminal law needs to have been committed.
 
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President Trump and at least a few people connected to Trump's Orbit remain mired in controversy due to multiple investigations. All of the investigations remain open.

About two years lapsed from the beginning of the Watergate Investigation and Nixon's resignation on August 9th, 1974. This may provide a rough guideline on what to expect with the current investigations.

The Constitution references Impeachment -

High crimes and misdemeanors is a phrase from Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
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Many people perceive President Trump as perhaps the most prone to lie POTUS in American History.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

Special Counsel, Robert Mueller, may have concerns about Obstruction of Justice -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...g-trump-for-possible-obstruction-of-justice/2
 
jdog said:
The Democratic leadership has been calling for Trumps impeachment since the day he was elected. To this date none of them has provided a single shred of evidence that he has committed any high crimes that would warrant such action. With that being the case, should the members of Congress who have consistently called for the impeachment of the President of the United States be charged with Treason for attempting to undermine the United States Government without any proof or evidence?
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"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

So no, they would not be guilty of treason. Any Democrats calling for impeachment are, at worst, guilty of partisanship. In the neutral they would be guilty of wanting justice for a perceived crime against the constitution. At best they would be guilty of exercising their first amendment right to free speech. But they would not be guilty of treason.
 
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jdog said:
BS! Impeachment is a process of trying a political official for crimes. For there to be a crime there must first be evidence. If a member of Congress attempts to undermine the Executive Branch knowing full well there is no evidence of a crime, then they are trying to undermine the United States Government for political gain which is TREASON!
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I'm sorry but you are wrong. Impeachment is not trying anyone for anything. Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding so a violation of any law does not need to have occured.

Impeachment is more or less the same as a criminal indictment - though that parallel only goes so far because, again, impeachment is not a criminal proceeding.

The Senate conducts a trial - which is also not a criminal proceeding - after someone is impeached.
 
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JamesBY said:
Impeachment is for "high crimes and misdemeanors," the which the House decides what are actionable, not necessarily for crimes under federal criminal law.
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In intent, yes, but impeachment is ultimately a political act, which means there is no legal "trigger" for bringing forth articles of impeachment. To my knowledge, you could impeach a President for parting his hair on the wrong side of his head. That would of course be catastrophic for the morale of the country, but legally that could technically happen.
 
Gaius46 said:
First of all remember that impeachment is basically an indictment. It means nothing as a practical matter unless and until the Senate actually convicts him. But yes that's the way it works. The House can impeach for any reason at all provided they get enough votes.

And as I've pointed out in this threat it isn't a criminal proceeding, the rules of evidence that apply in other criminal proceedings don't apply and not violation of a criminal law needs to have been committed.
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The problem is, there's no basis for it in Trump's case.
 
jdog said:
The Democratic leadership has been calling for Trumps impeachment since the day he was elected. To this date none of them has provided a single shred of evidence that he has committed any high crimes that would warrant such action. With that being the case, should the members of Congress who have consistently called for the impeachment of the President of the United States be charged with Treason for attempting to undermine the United States Government without any proof or evidence?
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No. The idea is absurd, not to mention laughable.
 
A wise man once wrote:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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jdog:

Should the writer of these words have been charged and prosecuted for treason? Mad King George certainly thought so in his more lucid moments. Do you want Mad King Don to do likewise?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
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jdog said:
The Democratic leadership has been calling for Trumps impeachment since the day he was elected. To this date none of them has provided a single shred of evidence that he has committed any high crimes that would warrant such action. With that being the case, should the members of Congress who have consistently called for the impeachment of the President of the United States be charged with Treason for attempting to undermine the United States Government without any proof or evidence?
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Yes!

But then the same group of Democratic Senators should have been charged with Treason for FAILING to impeach and Remove Obama from office when Obama blatantly violated his oath of office, the Constitution, and the Law, particularly with respect to Immigration Law.

And there is plenty of actual evidence to back up charges against Obama!

So...

Yes! A large group of Democratic Senators, and even a few RINOs should be charged with Treason, as should Obama.

Never Forget, it is NOT too late for Congress to Impeach Obama!

Not for the purpose of removing him from office, but to allow appointment of special Council to investigate and prosecute Obama for Treason!

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