Is Donald Trump tougher on Moscow (Russia/USSR) than Ronald Reagan was?

[Rogue Valley]

Even Jimmy "Peanut" Carter was tougher on Russia than Trump.

 

[Tigerace117]

And yet, when people refer to Russia today, they don't mean the Soviet Union.

The USSR was little more than a Russian empire with a red coat of paint. I get that you think playing a semantics game will help you dodge your way out of facing facts.....but it's not going to work.

 

[bubbabgone]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ig-results-will-come-with-putin-idUSKBN1K814I



Given the president's latest statements on his actions towards, Russia, I thought it should be put to a vote. Ronald Reagan dealt directly with Moscow (Former capital of the USSR/Present capital of Russia) throughout his entire tenure. Is it true that Trump has been tougher than every president before him, Reagan included? The option are as follows:

- Yes, he was tougher than every other president; Reagan included.
- No, he was not tougher than every other president; Reagan was tougher.
- No, he was not tougher than every other presidents; many others were tougher (please provide examples).
- I do not know.

Please note that this threads is for DP members only. Secondly whatever your answer is, the topic of this thread is not a discussion on whether Trump lied, but whether his statements were accurate - as such the answers reflect choices which look at the accuracy of his statements. That is because a person can be inaccurate without necessarily lying.

Discuss.

There's a problem.
You seem to have conflated "Russia" with the "Soviet Union".
Your mention of Reagan is evidence that's what you did.
Was that intentional?
If you meant Russia then there were really only 3 other Presidents (Bush Sr. was a short-timer) since the Soviet Union collapsed.
That would drastically change votes.
So until you clarify your poll questions there's no point anyone answering.

 

[Hatuey]

There's a problem.
You seem to have conflated "Russia" with the "Soviet Union".

This was already addressed with numerous statements explaining that people saw no difference between Russia and the Soviet Union while the Cold War was on-going - as such there is no need to make a distinction in this thread given that Trump himself did not make a distinction either and spoke in absolutes. The "Gipper" himself joked about bombing Russia, Winston Churchill described the Soviet Union as Russia.

I've seen bad hills for bad debaters to die on, but never one like yours. Who do you think controlled Russia and the Soviet Union other than Moscow? Your inability to respond to a simple question is noted though. 18 other people did not have the same problem you had. What does that tell you?

:lol:

 

[bubbabgone]

This was already addressed with numerous statements explaining that people saw no difference between Russia and the Soviet Union while the Cold War was on-going. I've seen bad hills for bad debaters to die on, but never one like yours. Who do you think controlled Russia and the Soviet Union other than Moscow?

Can't you just change your poll question so it's accurate?

 

[Hatuey]

Can't you just change your poll question so it's accurate?

18 forum voters thought it was accurate enough to answer. Your personal problems aren't mine to resolve.

:shrug:

 

[Hatuey]

The USSR was little more than a Russian empire with a red coat of paint. I get that you think playing a semantics game will help you dodge your way out of facing facts.....but it's not going to work.

You are right. It is a shame that some posters are acting dishonestly by trying to draw a distinction between Soviet Russia controlled by a Moscow cartel, and Putin's Russia controlled by a Moscow cartel.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Czarist Russia, Soviet Russia, Putin's Russia ... same mafia state, only in a different dress.

 

[Waddy]

I could care less about Russia. There are issues closer to home to be concerned about. Like American jobs. Getting better trade agreements.

 

[Hatuey]

There's a problem.

21 people did not have your problem when answering the poll. Do you still require assistance to answer or can we safely move along?

Asking for reference. Genuinely concerned. :lol:

 

[bubbabgone]

21 people did not have your problem when answering the poll. Do you still require assistance to answer or can we safely move along?

Asking for reference. Genuinely concerned. :lol:

I hear ya. Not knowing that the Soviet Union collapsed in the late 80's should concern you.

 

[Hatuey]

I hear ya. Not knowing that the Soviet Union collapsed in the late 80's should concern you.

Why did Reagan refer to the USSR as Russia while president? Why did Churchill or any number of world leaders? You are having a tough time with a simple question. 20 other people of various leans did not.

The numbers should be speaking to you.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[bubbabgone]

Why did Reagan refer to the USSR as Russia while president? Why did Churchill or any number of world leaders? You are having a tough time with a simple question. 20 other people of various leans did not.

The numbers should be speaking to you.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

Don't be so defensive.
You didn't realize the distinction.
That's okay.
Not fixing the questions ... that's not okay.
Poll questions that reflect actual history might have produced more dependable responses.
But hey, it's your poll.
Some might call it Fake Poll.
It's really just a sloppy mistake.

 

[Hatuey]

Don't be so defensive.
You didn't realize the distinction.
That's okay.
Not fixing the questions ... that's not okay.
Poll questions that reflect actual history might have produced more dependable responses.
But hey, it's your poll.
Some might call it Fake Poll.
It's really just a sloppy mistake.

You are having a tough time answering the question. It's understandable. I would not want to have to defend the assinine claim that he's been tougher than presidents who have passed sanctions on Russia.

20+ people who did not have trouble answering.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[bubbabgone]

You are having a tough time answering the question. It's understandable. I would not want to have to defend the assinine claim that he's been tougher than presidents who have passed sanctions on Russia.

20+ people who did not have trouble answering.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

You can't depend on the poll answers if the poll questions were flawed.
Besides, you don't even know if Trump was referring only to post 1990 Russia or if he was including pre-1990 Soviet Union.
Makes a big difference.
He may not even know himself, but that doesn't excuse anyone else.

 

[Hatuey]

You can't depend on the poll answers if the poll questions were flawed.
Besides, you don't even know if Trump was referring only to post 1990 Russia or if he was including pre-1990 Soviet Union.
Makes a big difference.
He may not even know himself, but that doesn't excuse anyone else.

Weird, I've asserted that the poll isn't flawed and you've simply refused to answer the question.

Do you believe the Gipper was having an Alzheimer's episode when he called the USSR Russia?

You seem pretty unwilling to answer simple questions nobody other than Taylor had trouble with. I would hope you can overcome these difficulties - but I cannot help you until you explain why your answer wouldn't fit any of the options available.

Is it because Obama isn't listed by name? Go on, you can tell us.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[Hatuey]

Czarist Russia, Soviet Russia, Putin's Russia ... same mafia state, only in a different dress.

Bubba is trying to give us a lesson on how they are different even though his questions were answered in the first post. Shhhhh.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[Gaius46]

And yet, when people refer to Russia today, they don't mean the Soviet Union.

Context matters. I'd bet most people would interpret that statement to include the former Soviet Union. And if you're talking about people who were actually alive when there was a Soviet Union I'd bet that interpretation would be close to universal.

So either the President is once again lying, is delusional, or showing off his well documented inability to use the English language clearly.

 

[Litwin]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ig-results-will-come-with-putin-idUSKBN1K814I



Given the president's latest statements on his actions towards, Russia, I thought it should be put to a vote. Ronald Reagan dealt directly with Moscow (Former capital of the USSR/Present capital of Russia) throughout his entire tenure. Is it true that Trump has been tougher than every president before him, Reagan included? The option are as follows:

- Yes, he was tougher than every other president; Reagan included.
- No, he was not tougher than every other president; Reagan was tougher.
- No, he was not tougher than every other presidents; many others were tougher (please provide examples).
- I do not know.

Please note that this threads is for DP members only. Secondly whatever your answer is, the topic of this thread is not a discussion on whether Trump lied, but whether his statements were accurate - as such the answers reflect choices which look at the accuracy of his statements. That is because a person can be inaccurate without necessarily lying.

Discuss.

 

[bubbabgone]

Weird, I've asserted that the poll isn't flawed and you've simply refused to answer the question.

Do you believe the Gipper was having an Alzheimer's episode when he called the USSR Russia?

You seem pretty unwilling to answer simple questions nobody other than Taylor had trouble with. I would hope you can overcome these difficulties - but I cannot help you until you explain why your answer wouldn't fit any of the options available.

Is it because Obama isn't listed by name? Go on, you can tell us.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

Anyone's answer to poll questions about Russia could be different if they knew the pollster thought Soviet Union and Russia were the same.
Especially after finding out the pollster himself didn't know the difference.
They'd answer accordingly.
You wonder what the big deal is about Russia trying to re-annex Ukraine since it's already Russian?
Ask someone from Lithuania if they're Russian.
They would never say they were Russian ... even when the USSR still existed.

You bungled this one.

 

[Hatuey]

Anyone's answer to poll questions about Russia could be different if they knew the pollster thought Soviet Union and Russia were the same.

Second sentence in the OP:

Ronald Reagan dealt directly with Moscow (Former capital of the USSR/Present capital of Russia) throughout his entire tenure.

This was a really bad hill for you to die on. I'm glad you did though. 30 people have now understood the question, and voted accordingly.

Did you vote yet, or is there anything else we can assist you with?

Genuinely concerned with the level of confusion in your posts.

:lol:

 

[Hatuey]

Just want to give a quick shoutout to all of the people who have understood the question, and voted accordingly.

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Your answers are appreciated in spite of bubba's insistence that the question is dishonest, or showing signs of ignorance.

 

[slick]

It's too early to tell whether 'Donald Trump tougher on Moscow (Russia/USSR) than Ronald Reagan was?' Maybe he won't need to be,
maybe he'll need to be, Reagan had eight years let's wait till trump's terms are over before this discussion can be fairly discussed.

IMO Richard Nixon was the greatest foreign policy president in my lifetime & in every instance necessary he had the upper hand
handling Russia, it would be hard for anyone to be properly tougher on Russia than Nixon was, so Trump even given two terms
may not measure up to Nixon, especially when you consider the strength of Russia in Nixon's time may have been at its zenith.

 

[Hatuey]

It's too early to tell whether 'Donald Trump tougher on Moscow (Russia/USSR) than Ronald Reagan was?' Maybe he won't need to be,
maybe he'll need to be, Reagan had eight years let's wait till trump's terms are over before this discussion can be fairly discussed.

IMO Richard Nixon was the greatest foreign policy president in my lifetime & in every instance necessary he had the upper hand
handling Russia, it would be hard for anyone to be properly tougher on Russia than Nixon was, so Trump even given two terms
may not measure up to Nixon, especially when you consider the strength of Russia in Nixon's time may have been at its zenith.

I would simply add that Trump's statement declared he was tougher than any president before him. I believe that's false, as numerous presidents have passed more stringent sanctions on Russia. Furthermore, that has always been an indication of our 'toughness'.

Thank you for understanding the question and answering accordingly, slick. It's good to see that not all conservative opinions have become cartoonish shells of themselves.

:lol:

 

[Hatuey]

Context matters. I'd bet most people would interpret that statement to include the former Soviet Union. And if you're talking about people who were actually alive when there was a Soviet Union I'd bet that interpretation would be close to universal.

So either the President is once again lying, is delusional, or showing off his well documented inability to use the English language clearly.

It has already been demonstrated that world leaders did not see a difference between the USSR and Russia. The Russians didn't see a difference between Russia and the USSR:

Russian WWII Propaganda Posters

"Nothing will stop us! We are Russians, we will overcome! (A.Suvorov)"

Moscow was the de-facto seat of Russian power, and that was synonymous with the power of the USSR. However, some posters swear it's dishonest or ignorant to not make a tangible difference as a result.

Unfunny people.

:lol: