Is Donald Trump tougher on Moscow (Russia/USSR) than Ronald Reagan was?

[Phys251]

No, you only need to go back to Obama.

 

[Hatuey]

Of course not. They changed. The people are still there though, including those who served under the banner of the USSR, and now serve the Russian Federation.

He did not hear that the USSR broke up because little states demanded independence along largely ethnic lines. Moscow had no choice but to acquiesce. He's confounding Moscow having lost power, with the idea that people weren't referring to the USSR as Russia. It's a really bad hill to die on.

 

[Fletch]

I know you want to pretend that Obama wasnt president and is somehow beyond criticism, but there is no question Obama was much softer on Russia than Trump has been. If the truth hurts your feelings, too bad.

 

[Hatuey]

I know you want to pretend that Obama wasnt president and is somehow beyond criticism, but there is no question Obama was much softer on Russia than Trump has been. If the truth hurts your feelings, too bad.

Hi, I'm the OP. Obama isn't in the description of the question asked. Reagan was, multiple other presidents, none and the option to say you don't know are available.

Please pick one of those.

 

[Phys251]

I know you want to pretend that Obama wasnt president and is somehow beyond criticism, but there is no question Obama was much softer on Russia than Trump has been. If the truth hurts your feelings, too bad.

I don't care what you feel. Once you deflected onto Obama, you proved the meme that I posted right.

 

[Hatuey]

I don't care what you feel. Once you deflected onto Obama, you proved the meme that I posted right.

Hi Phys,

Please ignore Fletch's clear attempts to make this discussion about Obama and not what the question was actually about. We already have enough trouble with Taylor denying that people used USSR and Russia interchangeably.

Thanks

 

[enderpotato00]

Thats b/c you people praise Obama and Hillary. Yet you claim Trump is so terrible. Its sad really.

 

[Hatuey]

And yet, when people refer to Russia today, they don't mean the Soviet Union.

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." - Ronald Reagan (a joke to NPR engineers).

The distinction you're trying to make simply isn't there for anybody that lived during the Cold War.

 

[Taylor]

Hi Phys,

Please ignore Fletch's clear attempts to make this discussion about Obama and not what the question was actually about.

"How dare someone bring up other presidents in my 'is Trump tougher than other presidents' thread"!!!

 

[Hatuey]

"How dare someone bring up other presidents in my 'is Trump tougher than other presidents' thread"!!!

Actually, you're welcome to bring up other presidents. What isn't allowed is to turn this into a Trump vs Obama discussion, when the options presented in the poll aren't about Obama vs Trump. They include a metric (Reagan), the option that you do not know, multiple other presidents, or the consideration that Trump has been tougher than EVERY other president.

You're welcome to answer the question, or keep dying on that hill where you think people saw a difference between Russia and the USSR. A view that is unsupported by numerous quotes from US presidents to writers living during the Cold War.

Don't like it? Tough. Start your own thread.

 

[Taylor]

And yet, when people refer to Russia today, they don't mean the Soviet Union.

"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." - Ronald Reagan (a joke to NPR engineers).

The distinction you're trying to make simply isn't there for anybody that lived during the Cold War.

What do all of your 30, 50 and 80 year old quotes have to do with the fact that when people refer to Russia today, they don't mean the Soviet Union?

 

[Hatuey]

What do all of your 30, 50 and 80 year old quotes have to do with the fact that when people refer to Russia today, they don't mean the Soviet Union?

This was already explained to you.

People wouldn't refer to the USSR today, because it no longer exists and Russia is no longer communist. However, the USSR was referred to as Russia and the terms were used interchangeably in spite of Russia not being an official name for any country at the time. The proof is in the numerous quotes I gave you. As such, no distinction was made given that Trump himself didn't make the distinction either and referred to an undetermined multitude of presidents. Reagan was chosen as a defining metric for all given that he himself considered Russia and the USSR to be interchangeable. Furthermore, he is often credited with bringing down the Iron Curtain by right wingers.

How is this hard for you to understand?

Let us help you.

 

[Taylor]

This was already explained to you. People wouldn't refer to the USSR today, because it no longer exists and Russia is no longer communist.

Cool, so you agree that Trump wasn't referring to the USSR.

 

[Hatuey]

Cool, so you agree that Trump wasn't referring to the USSR.

I've explained he was referring to the same Russia that Reagan was referring to when he used the term in spite of the fact that Russia did not exist and the USSR did. This is a pretty bad hill for you try to die on. Are leading figures of the Cold War not good enough for you to be proven wrong?

 

[Taylor]

I've explained he was referring to the same Russia that Reagan was referring to when he used the term in spite of the fact that Russia did not exist and the USSR did.

I see. He was referring to the same Russia even though it did not exist. Gotcha.

 

[Hatuey]

I see. He was referring to the same Russia even though it did not exist. Gotcha.

You aversion to answering a simple question is hilarious. I've seen people die on bad hills, but never one like yours. Do you think Trump was tougher on Russia than Reagan?

:lol:

 

[Removable Mind]

More insanity from Trump and Sanders.

Now Trump’s “NO” replies means: “Everyone else in the world besides me is stupid. Read my mind!”

 

[plutonium]

Sorry boss ..... Trump lied and he knew it he always knows when he is lying. in fact when he got into office he had already starting working to lift sanctions on Russia until congress sidelined him......remember????

 

[USViking]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ig-results-will-come-with-putin-idUSKBN1K814I



Given the president's latest statements on his actions towards, Russia, I thought it should be put to a vote. Ronald Reagan dealt directly with Moscow (Former capital of the USSR/Present capital of Russia) throughout his entire tenure. Is it true that Trump has been tougher than every president before him, Reagan included? The option are as follows:

- Yes, he was tougher than every other president; Reagan included.
- No, he was not tougher than every other president; Reagan was tougher.
- No, he was not tougher than every other presidents; many others were tougher (please provide examples).
- I do not know.

Please note that this threads is for DP members only. Secondly whatever your answer is, the topic of this thread is not a discussion on whether Trump lied, but whether his statements were accurate - as such the answers reflect choices which look at the accuracy of his statements. That is because a person can be inaccurate without necessarily lying.

Discuss.

EVERY president has been tougher on the USSR/Russia than Trump.

Furthermore, this is intentional on Trump's part, and he is not just being inaccurate, but IS lying.

 

[Fiddytree]

He just insinuated he didn't turn down Russia's request for McFaul. So....no.

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[Fletch]

Hi, I'm the OP. Obama isn't in the description of the question asked. Reagan was, multiple other presidents, none and the option to say you don't know are available.

Please pick one of those.

I wasnt responding to your OP.

 

[Hatuey]

I wasnt responding to your OP.

That's pretty much a fact. You were trying to detail the topic.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[HERA the Stars]

He's walking around selling Putin's policies, anti-NATO, anti-EU, withdraw from Syria, we didn't do it... how's promoting Russian policies being tough...

 

[rocket88]

The actual question of the poll: Is Trump a great President, or greatest President ever for any country?

 

[Linc]

He's walking around selling Putin's policies, anti-NATO, anti-EU, withdraw from Syria, we didn't do it... how's promoting Russian policies being tough...

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I might have two more decades of voting left in me. I have NO confidence in purity progs and libs since the 2000 election.