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Iowa's longest serving Republican leaves party

MrWonka said:
Actually, the true beliefs of the Republican Party historically would make anybody that Supports Donald Trump the Rino. Anit-Trade, horrible family values, blatant dishonesty, no moral character of any kind...

Every member of the Bush family including two former Republican Presidents voted for his opponent. John McCain asked that he not be invited to his funeral. Mitt Romney initially was a never Trumper, and both of Ronald Reagan's children have come out and said that their parents would have never supported Donald Trump.

Trump took the Republican Party away from Republicans. He is the rino.
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Being a conservative was once a statement of intellectualism and a reaction to liberal policies going back to FDR. Once those first idealists died off, it then became nothing more then a label to separate some from others, the intellectual core of the movement was forgotten in favor of sound bites and white rage coupled with religious posturing. It is a shame only because it was fun to listen to a Buckley or Goldwater debate others in a mature and scholarly fashion. Now we have radio talk hosts leading the movement, drop outs who fleece their listeners by feeding them nonsense every day. Its an industry now, the ideas are gone.
 
upsideguy said:
Sorry pal, Republicans are not speaking out against this President for his moral ineptitude. In failing to do so, they have sanctioned it. Moral and decent people do not look the other way at indecency.

Republicans can enjoy the mud that has been splattered on them because of their support for this man. If you are a Republican that has not spoken out on Trump's behavior, you own Trump's behavior as well. Wear it proudly.

In fact, I think its time for good people everywhere to start shaming those that fail to speak out on Trump. By failing to speak out against him, they are enabling his despicable behavior. If you aren't part of the solution; you are part of the problem.
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What was it that the cultists used to say about Muslims?

If you don't publicly denounce the Islamic terrorists you must approve.
 
Vadinho said:
Not entirely sure why growing up, getting a job and having a family led you to becoming a conservative but its a good story regardless. It follows a well worn pattern by conservatives that they are the mature wise ones and everyone else is naive, idealistic and irresponsible. The problem with stories like these is that they are not only based upon anecdotal evidence but they require one to believe that older people who have jobs and families but happen to remain liberals are also naive, idealistic and irresponsible. We all know that to be patently false yet you insist on pretending it is true. Perhaps this story makes you feel better about being wrong about almost everything politically since you turned into a conservative. Guilt can make one do strange things.
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require one to believe that older people who have jobs and families but happen to remain liberals are also naive, idealistic and irresponsible. We all know that to be patently false yet you insist on pretending it is true.

Perhaps in your mind it does, but just because someone has a different experience I would never accuse them of such things, and where did I insist such things were true. Do not shove your biased misconceptions on to me.

Perhaps this story makes you feel better about being wrong about almost everything politically since you turned into a conservative. Guilt can make one do strange things

Eh, no, I am not wrong in any way about being a conservative, again one of your biased misconceptions and I am certainly not feeling gilt about the change only relief and happiness having done so.

Any other foolish accusations you wish to make because you do not agree with me and my choices. Should I toss some inane accusations your way because you do agree, sorry, I'm not that petty.
 
Sabre said:
Do you walk on water? The last person I know of that was as moral you espouse to be is said to have done so. By the way, you just became history, you crossed a line I will not accept.
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Speaking in favor of morality and decency is crossing the line?

Maybe I misjudged how far to the right the cultists have gone. Oh well, one day maybe reality will be realized by the radical right, but it won't be any time soon. :damn
 
MrWonka said:
Actually, the true beliefs of the Republican Party historically would make anybody that Supports Donald Trump the Rino. Anit-Trade, horrible family values, blatant dishonesty, no moral character of any kind...

Every member of the Bush family including two former Republican Presidents voted for his opponent. John McCain asked that he not be invited to his funeral. Mitt Romney initially was a never Trumper, and both of Ronald Reagan's children have come out and said that their parents would have never supported Donald Trump.

Trump took the Republican Party away from Republicans. He is the rino.
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I couldn't stand either Bush and made fun of some of the bloopers they did, but they did represent my country with dignity and professionalism. I respect them for that and give them their due. I visited George H. W's library recently and really enjoyed it.

This clown? I don't think so.
 
BWG said:
Speaking in favor of morality and decency is crossing the line?

Maybe I misjudged how far to the right the cultists have gone. Oh well, one day maybe reality will be realized by the radical right, but it won't be anyway soon. :damn
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Maybe you just need a better understanding of what was written. Speaking in favor of morality and decency is NOT crossing the line, but tarring everyone who is Republican as lacking morals and decency just because you do not agree with them certainly is and carrying that projection of bias on to me personally when you have no idea about me personally is the camels last.

How fair would it be for me to say "I misjudged how far to the LEFT the cultists have gone"? Do you consider yourself a "cultist", not a charge I would make of someone just because they have a different view, but..........
 
Sabre said:
require one to believe that older people who have jobs and families but happen to remain liberals are also naive, idealistic and irresponsible. We all know that to be patently false yet you insist on pretending it is true.

Perhaps in your mind it does, but just because someone has a different experience I would never accuse them of such things, and where did I insist such things were true. Do not shove your biased misconceptions on to me.

Perhaps this story makes you feel better about being wrong about almost everything politically since you turned into a conservative. Guilt can make one do strange things

Eh, no, I am not wrong in any way about being a conservative, again one of your biased misconceptions and I am certainly not feeling gilt about the change only relief and happiness having done so.

Any other foolish accusations you wish to make because you do not agree with me and my choices. Should I toss some inane accusations your way because you do agree, sorry, I'm not that petty.
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So then you cannot claim you have these supposed qualities alone and you admit that liberals can also share these same qualities. I have lived through all of this myself, still waiting for any of the conservative ideas and foundations to be proven true or beneficial to America. Trump represents the very essence of conservatism, all for me and none for you.
 
Exactly what constitutes "unacceptable behavior"? If you think Trumps behavior is unacceptable maybe you should read about JFK and WJC during their terms as President and see how "acceptable" their behavior was.
 
Vadinho said:
So then you cannot claim you have these supposed qualities alone and you admit that liberals can also share these same qualities. I have lived through all of this myself, still waiting for any of the conservative ideas and foundations to be proven true or beneficial to America. Trump represents the very essence of conservatism, all for me and none for you.
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Seems, "the lady doth protest to much, methinks" Wm Shakespeare
 
Vadinho said:
Being a conservative was once a statement of intellectualism and a reaction to liberal policies going back to FDR. Once those first idealists died off, it then became nothing more then a label to separate some from others, the intellectual core of the movement was forgotten in favor of sound bites and white rage coupled with religious posturing. It is a shame only because it was fun to listen to a Buckley or Goldwater debate others in a mature and scholarly fashion. Now we have radio talk hosts leading the movement, drop outs who fleece their listeners by feeding them nonsense every day. Its an industry now, the ideas are gone.
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Hell Ike did not run a blatantly anti-science administration like Trump’s. Gopers who do not fight Trump are complicit as Paul von Hindenburg was in destroying the Weimar republic.
 
And no this isnt a fake walkaway thing like Candace Owen’s astroturf pseudo campaign.
 
bomberfox said:
Hell Ike did not run a blatantly anti-science administration like Trump’s. Gopers who do not fight Trump are complicit as Paul von Hindenburg was in destroying the Weimar republic.
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All of your accusations against Republicans would carry some weight except for one thing.
 
Sabre said:
Do you walk on water? The last person I know of that was as moral you espouse to be is said to have done so. By the way, you just became history, you crossed a line I will not accept.
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I think you should really think about the indictment I levied upon the party (are you a member?). Its well deserved. People that truly value moral standing and decency know exactly what I saying.

The Republicans deserve to feel the shame for enabling Trump's moral ineptitude. It is in the power of Republicans to reign Trump in, but they do little to nothing. Trump could be corralled if his own party would condemn his behaviors, but they do not care. Despicable! Meanwhile, the Republican party has conceded the moral high ground they once claimed having shown themselves to only show lip service to morality and decency. When it comes time for them to put their "money where their mouth is", they cower.

Clearly the Republican party is soulless and fundamentally morally bankrupt. Shameful!

The only thing I would ask of you (or any Republican) is whether you are truly doing your duty to our country by enabling this man? Are you speaking out where you should?
 
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Vadinho said:
So then you cannot claim you have these supposed qualities alone and you admit that liberals can also share these same qualities. I have lived through all of this myself, still waiting for any of the conservative ideas and foundations to be proven true or beneficial to America. Trump represents the very essence of conservatism, all for me and none for you.
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Never claimed any such thing and of course liberals can share the same qualities. I don't agree with your closing assessment but that's perfectly OK. I do not demean anyone for having a different opinion, that's life.
 
OlNate said:
Given that the reason he gave was his opposition to "reckless spending", it sounds like he's more of a Republican than you....

Is it time to admit that all Trump supporters are "Rinos"?
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Yes, Trump, the eight time party switcher has spent a lot of time being a RINO, a DINO, he was even a member of my tiny Reform Party. What was he then? A reformino? He was also three times an independent, a Indeino?

The problem with Trump is he doesn't have the slightest idea what he is. If he did, he wouldn't have switched parties eight times. Trump has had more "INO's" than Carter had liver pills.
 
Taylor said:
Your data show just the opposite. Active Democrats outnumber Republicans by a wide margin.

You must not be looking at the right district? It's District 58.
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Ah yep was looking at his earlier district. Still his district is not a heavy blue stronghold. Non party affiliates outnumber even the democratic totals so they could go either way. This whole “oh it must be a democratic stronghold” is not really accurate. Rounded up % wise dem 30% rep 24% and non affiliated 42% as of jan 2019
 
bomberfox said:
Ah yep was looking at his earlier district. Still his district is not a heavy blue stronghold. Non party affiliates outnumber even the democratic totals so they could go either way. This whole “oh it must be a democratic stronghold” is not really accurate. Rounded up % wise dem 30% rep 24% and non affiliated 42% as of jan 2019
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Again, a state government representative from a district where Democrats outnumber Republicans by 6-7% changes his party affiliation from Republican to Democrat. Not really national news except for the fact that the media would like to push a narrative.
 
Taylor said:
Again, a state government representative from a district where Democrats outnumber Republicans by 6-7% changes his party affiliation from Republican to Democrat. Not really national news except for the fact that the media would like to push a narrative.
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No it doesnt. That is so laughable i can see the sour grapes laced in your post. The dude is a lifelong republican since the 70s and he mentioned fiscal reasons for leaving.
 
Sabre said:
Never claimed any such thing and of course liberals can share the same qualities. I don't agree with your closing assessment but that's perfectly OK. I do not demean anyone for having a different opinion, that's life.
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OK, so what exactly did it mean that you turned from the left to the right because you grew up, got a job and had kids? Come on, we are all dying to know how those events turned you into a conservative. It sure did not do the same for countless millions of other boomers so let us know what really turned the tide for you because by your own admission, those events were not unique drivers by themselves.
 
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