Impeach Trump. Save America.

[Lord of Planar]

Impeach Trump. Save America.

It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.

Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.



Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.

Do you really want president Pence?

 

[Craig234]

Your own link did not have crap on the subject other than making excuses on why the prosecutor was fired but not on why the entire investigation was halted as if halting an investigation means it is debunked, it would be on par with saying there is no need to investigate a mafia leader because he threatened or killed the witnesses, not being investigated does not equal debunked in any known universe, the mere fact democrats have gone to extreme lengths to prevent anyone from looking into ukraine biden or anything else even further than trump has to prevent his tax returns from being viewed tells me right there they have a crapload to hide and sdo not want anyone looking there rather than there being nothing there.

Go do some reading yourself. The info is all either showing the statements debunked, or right-wing media quoting lies from trump and Giuliani.

One of the biggest GOP talking points in defending Trump against impeachment is that he was justified in asking Ukraine to investigate what he believed to be corruption on the part of Hunter Biden and a cover-up by his father in his capacity as vice president.

But at the beginning of his testimony, Volker shattered that line of argumentation and denounced the allegations of corruption against the Bidens as "self-serving," "not credible," and a "conspiracy" pushed by Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani.

In his opening statement, Volker amended his previous testimony to clarify that he found the idea of Ukraine announcing investigations not into Burisma as an entity but specifically targeting the Bidens to be improper and "unacceptable."...

Despite Trump and Giuliani's allegations, both US and Ukrainian government officials have confirmed there's no evidence that the Bidens did anything improper. (bold added)

Kurt Volker shuts down GOP conspiracies on Joe Biden, Ukraine - Business Insider

"On Bidens and Ukraine, Wild Claims With Little Basis"

Ukirain never had any reason to suspect Hunter Biden of any wrongdoing - any claims of wrongdoing were lies from trump and Giuliani.

"There’s also no known evidence that any of the investigations ever involved Hunter Biden. Ukraine’s former prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, told Bloomberg News in May that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by the Bidens."

"The notion that Hunter Biden and his father could be complicit in Ukrainian corruption was first aired in a 2018 book, “Secret Empires: How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends.” Its author, Peter Schweizer, is an editor at Breitbart News and president of the Government Accountability Institute, a nonprofit group founded by former Trump political adviser Steve Bannon. The group’s board chairwoman is Rebekah Mercer, a prominent Trump supporter. Trump has cited Schweizer by name in some of his Twitter attacks on the Bidens. But even Schweizer’s book doesn’t allege that any laws were broken."

Bloomberg - On Bidens and Ukraine, Wild Claims With Little Basis

You can either accept the facts, or the implication is you are not being honest on the issue IMO.

 

[beerftw]

Go do some reading yourself. The info is all either showing the statements debunked, or right-wing media quoting lies from trump and Giuliani.



Kurt Volker shuts down GOP conspiracies on Joe Biden, Ukraine - Business Insider

"On Bidens and Ukraine, Wild Claims With Little Basis"

Ukirain never had any reason to suspect Hunter Biden of any wrongdoing - any claims of wrongdoing were lies from trump and Giuliani.

"There’s also no known evidence that any of the investigations ever involved Hunter Biden. Ukraine’s former prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, told Bloomberg News in May that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by the Bidens."

"The notion that Hunter Biden and his father could be complicit in Ukrainian corruption was first aired in a 2018 book, “Secret Empires: How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends.” Its author, Peter Schweizer, is an editor at Breitbart News and president of the Government Accountability Institute, a nonprofit group founded by former Trump political adviser Steve Bannon. The group’s board chairwoman is Rebekah Mercer, a prominent Trump supporter. Trump has cited Schweizer by name in some of his Twitter attacks on the Bidens. But even Schweizer’s book doesn’t allege that any laws were broken."

Bloomberg - On Bidens and Ukraine, Wild Claims With Little Basis

You can either accept the facts, or the implication is you are not being honest on the issue IMO.

Can you get a link besides business insider, I am not going to delete my adblocker to view that like, and that site never works by disabling it.

Either way I saw enough to the same pattern, they keep running back to it was never investigated therefore it is debunked, show me the actual link to the investigation, since the only one I have seen was pushed to be ended by biden the replacing prosecutor ended the investigation after taking office and no one is shown to investigate any of it until recently.

 

[Craig234]

Can you get a link besides business insider, I am not going to delete my adblocker to view that like, and that site never works by disabling it.

Either way I saw enough to the same pattern, they keep running back to it was never investigated therefore it is debunked, show me the actual link to the investigation, since the only one I have seen was pushed to be ended by biden the replacing prosecutor ended the investigation after taking office and no one is shown to investigate any of it until recently.

Right in the same post is a link to Bloomberg. I guess you didn't bother to read.

In the meantime, how about we say you're guilty of a thousand crimes, because you haven't been investigated for them proving your innocence. The relevant authorities said there was no evidence of the Bidens being guilty of anything. Just trump and Giuliani lying.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Since we are proposing to impeach a president over his allegedly wanting a presidential candidate investigated.

What's this allegedly stuff. We saw him say it on TV more than once. We read the partial transcript of the call. We saw the sworn testimony of many patriots. Now we have Rudy admit he was definitely involved in trashing the Ukraine ambassador. It was an all in conspiracy led by Trump. What more do you conservative dunces need?

 

[TheRepublican]

Impeach this druggy speaker too


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[Trump]

What's this allegedly stuff. We saw him say it on TV more than once. We read the partial transcript of the call. We saw the sworn testimony of many patriots. Now we have Rudy admit he was definitely involved in trashing the Ukraine ambassador. It was an all in conspiracy led by Trump. What more do you conservative dunces need?

how bout more than silly OPINIONS!:roll:

 

[beerftw]

Right in the same post is a link to Bloomberg. I guess you didn't bother to read.

In the meantime, how about we say you're guilty of a thousand crimes, because you haven't been investigated for them proving your innocence. The relevant authorities said there was no evidence of the Bidens being guilty of anything. Just trump and Giuliani lying.

your post linking to bloomberg does not mean squat as it demands I delete my adblocker to get that far, it it linked to bloomberg you could have just liked the bloomberg article and spared the adblocker paywall crap.

Fyi if you want to have fun research antac, it was not only burisma at the time of shokins firing, shokin had approval by the courts to investigate antac, which was directly funded by the state department under obama, and sa later prosecutor claimed the us embassy gave a list of do not prosecute entities one of them being antac. This stuff was actually coming out back in march, and the protesters protesting against shokin to be removed were all part of antac.

Makes one wonder what the obama admin was hiding when they fought tooth and nail to block any investigations that pertained to them in ukraine.

Saying someone is guilty a thousand timees is vastly different then being invesitaged firing the prosecutor investigating then the new prosecutor ending all investigations then calling the lack of investigation debunked. There is enough evidence to investigate, but people like you are demanding absolute proof of guilt before investigations, which is 100% opposite of what you demanded of trump which is the absolute literal definition of hypocrisy and corruption.

 

[Craig234]

There is enough evidence to investigate

Claim without evidence, as usual for righties.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Claim without evidence, as usual for righties.

It is the hallmark of the Democrats up in Congress. So get used to it. Everybody and I mean even in other countries knows very well Trump will serve until at least 2021 and likely through 2024. He is our president and we love what he does for this country.

What have Democrats done for us all?

Well they are trying to convict the president. Nobody believes that will happen.

 

[Craig234]

It is the hallmark of the Democrats up in Congress. So get used to it. Everybody and I mean even in other countries knows very well Trump will serve until at least 2021 and likely through 2024. He is our president and we love what he does for this country.

What have Democrats done for us all?

Well they are trying to convict the president. Nobody believes that will happen.

The cult is always remarkable. Seriously, Scientologists look at the trump cult, and say 'that's crazy'.

 

[beerftw]

Claim without evidence, as usual for righties.

How is there not enough to investigate, there were irregularities on the state department funded group in ukraine, burisma was one of the most corrupt companioes on earth, and there is more physical evidence against buirisma and antpac than there is against trump but it is ok to investigate triupm almsot more than all previous presidents combined but it is not ok to investigate any corruption not leading to trump?

This is just like the crap where manafort got busted, but podesta was doing the same thing, yest manafort got in trouble and podesta got dropped from investigation , which shows justice rule of law etc were not the goals, rather investigations for the sole purpose opf bringing trump down and ya'll seem to freak out when the investigations roll your way, seing that trump is the most investigated president in history with still nothing to pin him with your side must be frightened because political investigations are not one way streets and soft coups only work if you win and if your side loses the established leader gains more power and purges the perps in the soft coup.

 

[beerftw]

It is the hallmark of the Democrats up in Congress. So get used to it. Everybody and I mean even in other countries knows very well Trump will serve until at least 2021 and likely through 2024. He is our president and we love what he does for this country.

What have Democrats done for us all?

Well they are trying to convict the president. Nobody believes that will happen.

I am not sure the country loves trump nor foreign leaders, however the comes a pint where people piece things together and realize it is a political hit job based entirely on partisan lines.

 

[Craig234]

How is there not enough to investigate, there were irregularities on the state department funded group in ukraine, burisma was one of the most corrupt companioes on earth

There were issues with the head of Burisma. What evidence is there of anything to do with the Bidens? As the Ukranian officials says, there was no evidence. You don't show any evidence.

 

[beerftw]

There were issues with the head of Burisma. What evidence is there of anything to do with the Bidens? As the Ukranian officials says, there was no evidence. You don't show any evidence.

Whether biden was directly related or not does not matter as the entire investigation was halted after firing shokin, which does not add up when they fired shokin for not proseecuting but were ok with his replacement ending the investigation. Antpac was also approved for prosecution literally right before the obama admin blocked aid, and the obama admin directly funded the group.

All of this raises the question why the us govt has been pissy about certain things in ukraine being investigated, if both burisma and antpac were legit why did they need to fire the prosecutor prosecuting both and hire a prosecutor who ended investigations into both, that does not spell innocent, that seems more like extreme mafia style corruption, and to this day people are wanting to impeach an american president to prvent investigating both those orgs, makes one wonder what they are hiding.

 

[Craig234]

Whether biden was directly related or not does not matter as the entire investigation was halted after firing shokin, which does not add up when they fired shokin for not proseecuting but were ok with his replacement ending the investigation. Antpac was also approved for prosecution literally right before the obama admin blocked aid, and the obama admin directly funded the group.

Wrong again.

...Ukraine’s chief prosecutor, Ruslan Ryaboshapka, said there is no investigation into the Bidens by his office.

Here’s what did happen: In October, Ryaboshapka, announced his office would conduct a wide-ranging review of all previous cases involving Burisma, according to NBC. And on Nov. 20, Reuters reported that Ryaboshapka said the country would widen its investigation into Burisma founder Zlochevsky to include suspicion of embezzling state funds...

Nina Jankowicz, a former adviser to Ukraine’s foreign ministry and a disinformation researcher at the Wilson Center, told NBC the claims appear to be a misinterpretation of a press conference related to allegations "about corruption with Burisma’s head, which have been well known for a long time." She speculated that the lawmakers who held the press conference were angling for Trump’s attention and trying to "curry favor" with his administration.

Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council who researches kleptocracy in Russia, told NBC that the lawmakers pushing new allegations at the press conference — Oleksandr Dubinsky and Andriy Derkach — are "professional disinformers."

 

[Robertinfremont]

The cult is always remarkable. Seriously, Scientologists look at the trump cult, and say 'that's crazy'.

How can the legally elected president have a cult? Was it a cult for Obama? When the school children were taught by teachers to praise Obama, honor Obama and perhaps pray for Obama, that was a cult???

 

[Robertinfremont]

I am not sure the country loves trump nor foreign leaders, however the comes a pint where people piece things together and realize it is a political hit job based entirely on partisan lines.

Democrats ensured it would be partisan within 20 minutes of Trump being in office. And prior to that, they constructed an enormous resistance where particular women wanted to burn down the White house and Democrats applauded this kind of activity.

 

[GDViking]

How is there not enough to investigate, there were irregularities on the state department funded group in ukraine, burisma was one of the most corrupt companioes on earth, and there is more physical evidence against buirisma and antpac than there is against trump but it is ok to investigate triupm almsot more than all previous presidents combined but it is not ok to investigate any corruption not leading to trump?

This is just like the crap where manafort got busted, but podesta was doing the same thing, yest manafort got in trouble and podesta got dropped from investigation , which shows justice rule of law etc were not the goals, rather investigations for the sole purpose opf bringing trump down and ya'll seem to freak out when the investigations roll your way, seing that trump is the most investigated president in history with still nothing to pin him with your side must be frightened because political investigations are not one way streets and soft coups only work if you win and if your side loses the established leader gains more power and purges the perps in the soft coup.

Here ya go...

Ukraine agency says allegations against Burisma cover period before Biden joined
| Article [AMP]
| Reuters

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

 

[GDViking]

How can the legally elected president have a cult? Was it a cult for Obama? When the school children were taught by teachers to praise Obama, honor Obama and perhaps pray for Obama, that was a cult???

I don't recall anyone agreeing 100% with everything Obama did and make excuses no matter what like the trump cultists do.

 

[Trump]

I don't recall anyone agreeing 100% with everything Obama did and make excuses no matter what like the trump cultists do.

what was your 10 criticisms of Obama?

 

[GDViking]

what was your 10 criticisms of Obama?

Not including single payer in the HCA

Not reinstating glass stiegal

Not repealing the patriot act

Just off the top of my head.

There were plenty more.

 

[beerftw]

Here ya go...

Ukraine agency says allegations against Burisma cover period before Biden joined
| Article [AMP]
| Reuters

Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases

The first one covers burisma's current investigation, which should not focus on biden but rather over a decade, the fact it only focuses pre biden raises questions about prosecution.

On the latter he was the only one investigating burisma, and antac, and got fired shortly after getting approved to investigate antac and going hot and heavy against burisma, for being fired for not propsecuting those they sure seemed to wait until the investigation started and said nothing about every single prosecutor after not prosecuting them, and it also does not explain the claims the us embassy sent a no prosecute list which included antpac which was funded directly by thee obama state department as well as other foreign entities.


This again comes to firing the only person prosecuting for not prosecuting while supporting those who flat out refused to prosecute. Shokin could be gotten on his covering for prosecutors under him extorting money and diamons and blocking prosecuting his prosecutors, however getting him for not prosecuting seems to be a blatent lie, as he was actively prosecuting what the obama admin said he was not, and got fired shortly after starting prosecution while his replacement ended all prosecutions in that area.

 

[OscarLevant]

Cherished values? You gotta' be ****ting me? :lol:
The anti-Trump Democrooks sitting in congress wouldn't know a value if it up and hit them in their partisan heads.

Judge Amy Jackson, at Rick Gates's sentencing, digressed a moment, and gave a relevant comment regarding the Russia/Trump investigation.
She cited evidence to back up her conclusion.

 

[Noodlegawd]

If we say, as Republicans do, that what Trump did is not an impeachable offense, we are telling ourselves and every future president that — in direct contradiction of what the founders wrote in the Constitution — it is O.K. to enlist a foreign power to tilt the election your way. C

This is a profoundly absurd statement. We could just as easily say that, if we impeach any public official for seeking cooperation of a foreign government in uncovering corruption of former US elected officials, simply because those former officials are currently running for office, then we send a message to corrupt government officials that all they have to do to avoid answering for abusing their power in foreign countries is to keep running for office.