Impeach Trump. Save America.

[MrPeanut]

Since we are proposing to impeach a president over his allegedly wanting a presidential candidate investigated.

For personal gain. There is no precedent being set for investigating a presidential candidate. The precedent being set is that the POTUS cannot use the power of their office to get foreign nations to investigate their political rivals. I think that is a good precedent to set.

 

[HumblePi]

Downer said that PapaD said that Mifsud said that some Russians said there were other Russians who have incriminating evidence on Clinton.
That was it. The basis for starting the investigation.
It's much weaker than what Trump had against Biden.

It's not a distraction from impeachment to point this out. It's an argument of how weak the impeachment argument truly is.

In the months before the 2016 presidential election, with the assistance of the Dutch, the FBI was uncovering efforts by the Russian government to interfere in the election, and the FBI was trying to assess unverified allegations that Trump’s associates were aiding the Russian effort. Several involved in the Trump campaign had been under a counterintelligence surveillance since 2011 or earlier. The FBI’s counterintelligence probe was not launched because of the “dossier,” but the “dossier” aided the investigation and offered unconfirmed tips for agents to explore.

 

[Athanasius68]

For personal gain. There is no precedent being set for investigating a presidential candidate. The precedent being set is that the POTUS cannot use the power of their office to get foreign nations to investigate their political rivals. I think that is a good precedent to set.

That doesn't work. A job of the president is to "take care" that the laws are enforced. Proposing to investigate Biden
(which predicate level seems stronger than that which was used to justify actually investigatingTrump) would be part of a presidential responsibility.
Even if the president were to benefit from such an investigation.

 

[Athanasius68]

In the months before the 2016 presidential election, with the assistance of the Dutch, the FBI was uncovering efforts by the Russian government to interfere in the election, and the FBI was trying to assess unverified allegations that Trump’s associates were aiding the Russian effort. Several involved in the Trump campaign had been under a counterintelligence surveillance since 2011 or earlier. The FBI’s counterintelligence probe was not launched because of the “dossier,” but the “dossier” aided the investigation and offered unconfirmed tips for agents to explore.

Yep. Russia was trying to screw with the election.
The Trump campaign was being investigated for such unverified allegations.
But... ummm... President Trump allegedly proposed that Biden be investigated regarding statements he actually made which might support unverified claims of corruption by the former VP.
So why the double standard? Why impeach Trump?

 

[MrPeanut]

That doesn't work. A job of the president is to "take care" that the laws are enforced. Proposing to investigate Biden
(which predicate level seems stronger than that which was used to justify actually investigatingTrump) would be part of a presidential responsibility.
Even if the president were to benefit from such an investigation.

There is no case to investigate Biden though. A rich kid got a job they didn't deserve. That is not illegal or in any way uncommon. Withholding approved aid to a country unless they investigate a specific company that has ties to your political opposition is blatant abuse of power. He never cared about corruption before this incident. The power of the presidency should not be used for purely personal gain.

 

[Athanasius68]

There is no case to investigate Biden though. A rich kid got a job they didn't deserve. That is not illegal or in any way uncommon. Withholding approved aid to a country unless they investigate a specific company that has ties to your political opposition is blatant abuse of power. He never cared about corruption before this incident. The power of the presidency should not be used for purely personal gain.

As per the standards used to open an investigation on Mr Trump in 2016, there absolutely would be: Biden said what he said, and H Biden started that cushy job of his shortly after his dad became the pointman for Obama on Ukraine issues.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Trump is running the greatest con in the history of US Politics.

He's THE best at sucking up taxpayer money by using Republican voter's emotions that then make them almost die for him. It's like a religious experience for them.

 

[MrPeanut]

As per the standards used to open an investigation on Mr Trump in 2016, there absolutely would be: Biden said what he said, and H Biden started that cushy job of his shortly after his dad became the pointman for Obama on Ukraine issues.

I'm not sure what Biden's dumb son getting a hook up has to do with our intelligence agencies identifying multiple threats within Trump's 2016 campaign. The Mueller investigation found multiple people in Trump's orbit who coordinated with the disinformation campaign that may or may not have swayed the election. Trump wasn't directly implicated in that type of thing until this recent Ukraine scandal. He has a habit of requesting outside interference into our elections. It is clearly impeachable. I don't like rich kids getting free passes either, but it isn't quite the same thing.

 

[Fishking]

What do you expect America's reaction to be?
There has never been a President who has had this high of a disapproval rating throughout his presidency.
Trump's disapproval rating is unprecedented.
America is disgusted with Trump.
What do you expect to happen when America dislikes their president so much?

53% of America is a part of the Deep State or some ****, yes?

Americans just think Trump sucks as President more so than any other President since we started keeping track.

:shrug:

What do you expect when more than half the country thinks the president sucks?

Be a grown up and try and beat him in the next election, like a legitimate country does.

 

[Helix]

Impeach Trump. Save America.

nah, not really. the artificially limited two tribe system is a fundamental flaw that will screw up the country again even if congress expels the orange moron, which it will not. we should have listened to Washington's farewell speech.

 

[Fishking]

And why do you suppose so many people dislike Trump? Is it possible it's because of Trump? Could it be his habitual lying? How about the way he treats anybody that speaks against him?
I could go on and on. The guy is a looser and all that support him think their doing the right thing. What a surprise they have coming. They're all complicit in every rotten thing Trump has said or done. Grow some balls, GOP, cause you're looking like a bunch of stupid babies right now.

There are two main reasons why so many don't like Trump:

1. His personal character is atrocious. Simply a very dislikeable individual that I most certainly wouldn't want to work for.

2. He has an "R" next to his name. <---that's all it takes for a significant number of people to think a person is a literal Nazi. Hell, Mitt Romney, one of the most milk-toast of a centerist candidate there has been in a while and Joe Biden said that he wanted to put black people back in chains, among the many other horrible things said about him.

People just need to be honest about where they are coming from.

 

[Athanasius68]

I'm not sure what Biden's dumb son getting a hook up has to do with our intelligence agencies identifying multiple threats within Trump's 2016 campaign. The Mueller investigation found multiple people in Trump's orbit who coordinated with the disinformation campaign that may or may not have swayed the election. Trump wasn't directly implicated in that type of thing until this recent Ukraine scandal. He has a habit of requesting outside interference into our elections. It is clearly impeachable. I don't like rich kids getting free passes either, but it isn't quite the same thing.

The intelligence guys were wrong-- there was no conspiracy between Trump and Russia to fix the election.

And the only disinformation came from the Clinton campaign (the Steele Dossier).

 

[GDViking]

For personal gain. There is no precedent being set for investigating a presidential candidate. The precedent being set is that the POTUS cannot use the power of their office to get foreign nations to investigate their political rivals. I think that is a good precedent to set.

Well that and the fact that a president doesn't get to tell the house to go **** themselves....

 

[GDViking]

As per the standards used to open an investigation on Mr Trump in 2016, there absolutely would be: Biden said what he said, and H Biden started that cushy job of his shortly after his dad became the pointman for Obama on Ukraine issues.

And then it was investigated by both the US and the Ukraine and nothing was found.

Republicans keep throwing one debunked conspiracy theory after another hoping one will stick...

Hell several actually testified today that hunter was under investigation at the time Biden was fixing the corruption.

 

[Athanasius68]

And then it was investigated by both the US and the Ukraine and nothing was found.

Republicans keep throwing one debunked conspiracy theory after another hoping one will stick...

Then there is no point to impeach Mr. Trump.

 

[GDViking]

Be a grown up and try and beat him in the next election, like a legitimate country does.

A legitimate country does not have a president that relies on foreign governments to fix their campaigns.

We will not be a legitimate country until we remove our illegitimate president...

 

[GDViking]

The intelligence guys were wrong-- there was no conspiracy between Trump and Russia to fix the election.

And the only disinformation came from the Clinton campaign (the Steele Dossier).

Still flinging that bull**** around???

That is too dry to stick to anything.

Everyone knows there were at least 120 meetings between trump associates and Russian operatives.

Everyone kows Putin influenced our elections and not only was trump aware of it he welcomed it.

I remember back when Americans would be PISSED off by that,and the traitorous bastard would have been tared and feathered and ridden out on a rail...

 

[Mashmont]

Impeach Trump. Save America.

It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.

Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.



Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.

To return to our cherished values would mean removing the party that cooked up this entire impeachment charade out of thin air. All designed to cover up the Democrats OWN crime of attempting to steal the 2016 election. Justice will not be served until the whole crooked bunch from 0bama and Hillary on down are in prison.

 

[Athanasius68]

Still flinging that bull**** around???

That is too dry to stick to anything.

Everyone knows there were at least 120 meetings between trump associates and Russian operatives.

Everyone kows Putin influenced our elections and not only was trump aware of it he welcomed it.

I remember back when Americans would be PISSED off by that,and the traitorous bastard would have been tared and feathered and ridden out on a rail...

Russia did indeed screw with the elections.
And continues to screw with the county.
Lots of people were indeed influenced by the Steele Dossier. Or allowed themselves to think that a response to Russian outreach was proof of complicity.
Russia played both sides and deceived both sides.

 

[GDViking]

Russia did indeed screw with the elections.
And continues to screw with the county.
Lots of people were indeed influenced by the Steele Dossier. Or allowed themselves to think that a response to Russian outreach was proof of complicity.
Russia played both sides and deceived both sides.

Russia did not play both sides.

The Steele dossier still has not been discredited in anyway.

The right wing is up in arms over the FBI doing exactly what they have done since the patriot act was put in place.

The country sold their privacy away for security. If trump was not involved with Russians he would not have been swept up.

 

[Fishking]

A legitimate country does not have a president that relies on foreign governments to fix their campaigns.

We will not be a legitimate country until we remove our illegitimate president...

Sorry, he's a legitimate President that was elected by the consensus of the states. That's 100% the reality of the matter, no matter how much you wish it wasn't so.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Sorry, he's a legitimate President that was elected by the consensus of the states. That's 100% the reality of the matter, no matter how much you wish it wasn't so.

Sorry, but Trump tried to shakedown Ukraine into meddling in our 2020 election, as testified to by 12 government employees of the NSC and State Department.

 

[FinnFox]

David pakman lays out exactly what trump is doing. Look at this insanity.

I'm pretty sure, those Trump's supporters don't see any insanity, no matter what **** Trump is doing. Everything is just great and amazing 24/7. That's interesting, how it's even possible.

 

[Obscurity]

I'm pretty sure, those Trump's supporters don't see any insanity, no matter what **** Trump is doing. Everything is just great and amazing 24/7. That's interesting, how it's even possible.

He literally contradicts himself and they love it. Pakman is right; it's a seething atmosphere of nearly violent joviality. It's bizarre, especially the whole "It never happened, it's not a crime."

How anyone can listen to this drivel is beyond me.

 

[gdgyva]

And why do you suppose so many people dislike Trump? Is it possible it's because of Trump? Could it be his habitual lying? How about the way he treats anybody that speaks against him?
I could go on and on. The guy is a looser and all that support him think their doing the right thing. What a surprise they have coming. They're all complicit in every rotten thing Trump has said or done. Grow some balls, GOP, cause you're looking like a bunch of stupid babies right now.

i dislike Trump...a LOT

but i still support him as my president....why?

because unlike some, i believe in our systems

IF there is EVIDENCE of a crime that Trump has committed, present it to America....let the people see what crime this fuss is all about

If not, then trying to throw a president out of office is NOT going to happen....period

And you will find the vast number of american people believe the same exact thing

If we have a crook and a criminal in the white house...lets get him out (based on things he has done since elected)

If not, lets get on with running the country