If our Constitution made liberalism, in effect, illegal what should we do with them?.

[James972]

If you have a question and a thirst for direction, ask, I'll reply.

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do you disagree with OP ? Why?

 

[James972]

Ya went a bit too far with this one. I'm onto you now.

translation: I'm afraid to debate

 

[James972]

Where you do not, obviously.

so blacks in 1850 were slaves and so are people who want to get drafted and do get drafted?? Note how in the end you are so afraid to defend libertarianism. But don't let stop you from being a libertarian!!

 

[1751Texan]

actually we are using todays definitions. Liberals of the day( 1776) wanted freedom from govt; today they want huge govt. Do you understand?

The government is massive because the country is massive. It takes govenment this size to run it.

Not only does the US have a large government...each one of the states have a mirror state government with almost as many state agencies and courts.

Every red state has a state Supreme Court, Bureau or Investigations, EPA...ect.

You don't see any red states cutting their state agencies.

 

[James972]

The government is massive because the country is massive. It takes govenment this size to run it.
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so it's just the right size? Its cant be far bigger as Sanders and other communists want nor far smaller as Rand Paul and other libertarians want?? Isn't thinking fun?

 

[1751Texan]

so it's just the right size? Its cant be far bigger as Sanders and other communists want nor far smaller as Rand Paul and other libertarians want?? Isn't thinking fun?

"Smaller government" is a meaningless meme whose only function is to garner GOP votes.

There. I hope that is clearer for you.

 

[James972]

"Smaller government" is a meaningless meme whose only function is to garner GOP votes.

why is freedom meaningless when it is what our Founders wanted and it made us greatest country in human history by far?? 1+1=2

 

[noonereal]

If our Constitution made liberalism, in effect, illegal what should we do with them?

Who is "them?"

Let's keep in mind that democracy is not our strength since liberals get to vote too.

This is a fallacy if I understand what you are attempting to say.

Our strength is the Constitution which was intended to make big liberal magical govt illegal

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This is another fallacy.

Conservatives are the real Americans who believe in the principles of the Constitution.

Yet another fallacy,

Thus it is they who set Europe free from big liberal magical govt through two world wars and they who just set 1.4 billion Chinese free from big liberal magical govt uniting most of the world in a peaceful common ideology.

Another as you can't draw a conclusion from a faulty premises.

Oh, and there is no reason to acknowledge our faults (which are trivial in the big picture) to suit treasonous liberals who oppose everything for which our Founders and modern conservative Americans stand.

Don't ever go into debate... this is just silly accusation.

So what do we do with liberals who really don't belong here in the first place and who constantly interfere with our good works?

Based on this post, the most logical question would be, how does one reach the age of reason and post so fool hearty not "do liberals really belong here."

I am not sure if this is sarcasm, editorial cartoon with word or a serious attempt to query the answer to your misguided dilemma.

Your questions are fallacies because they are based on false premises.

In other words, it's utterly ridiculous to address this "nonsense" other than to say it's inane.

Any further guidance you may need just ask.

 

[noonereal]

The take away from the opening post is that it serves as an indictment on our educational system assuming the poster has gone though high school.

This is the only logical conclusion that can be draw.

 

[James972]

"do liberals really belong here."

Simply question: do liberals really belong here given that they disagree with the basic principles of America?

 

[noonereal]

Simply question: do liberals really belong here given that they disagree with the basic principles of America?

Are you challenged? Seriously?

odds are you are trolling and unaware of the ridiculousness of your query.

 

[James972]

Are you challenged? Seriously?

odds are you are trolling and unaware of the ridiculousness of your query.

translation: I lack the ability to answer simple question.

simple question: do liberals really belong here given that they disagree with the basic principles of America?

Ever see a libertarian afraid to answer a question? What did you learn from your fear?

 

[noonereal]

translation: I lack the ability to answer simple question.

simple question: do liberals really belong here given that they disagree with the basic principles of America?

Ever see a libertarian afraid to answer a question? What did you learn from your fear?

LOL,

God Bless.

 

[James972]

LOL,

God Bless.

Ever see a libertarian afraid to answer a question? Maybe then you should become a libertarian?

 

[OscarLevant]

Let's keep in mind that democracy is not our strength since liberals get to vote too. Our strength is the Constitution which was intended to make big liberal magical govt illegal, and freedom the law of the land. Conservatives are the real Americans who believe in the principles of the Constitution. Thus it is they who set Europe free from big liberal magical govt through two world wars and they who just set 1.4 billion Chinese free from big liberal magical govt uniting most of the world in a peaceful common ideology. Oh, and there is no reason to acknowledge our faults (which are trivial in the big picture) to suit treasonous liberals who oppose everything for which our Founders and modern conservative Americans stand. So what do we do with liberals who really don't belong here in the first place and who constantly interfere with our good works?

The premise is absurd, you can't make a philosophy illegal. It's called the First Amendment

The second absurd premise is that a philosophy can be treasonous.

Methinks you are trolling us, eh?

America's fault are not trivial. America has backed dictators, has engaged in assassination attempts, backed Osama Bin Laden, sold chemical weapons to Hussein; we're the only nation to have dropped two atomic bombs on a country killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and all sorts of God awful stuff-- learn your history. your post reeks of ignorance i.e. if people who don't think as you do don't get to vote, this equals democracy.?

Bizzaro world you live in.

 

[OscarLevant]

?? they were liberals for very tiny govt just like modern conservatives. The meaning of the word changed but not the concept of limited govt or freedom . Do you understand?

Conservatives pay lip service to small government do your homework

 

[OscarLevant]

Let's keep in mind that democracy is not our strength since liberals get to vote too. Our strength is the Constitution which was intended to make big liberal magical govt illegal, and freedom the law of the land. Conservatives are the real Americans who believe in the principles of the Constitution. Thus it is they who set Europe free from big liberal magical govt through two world wars and they who just set 1.4 billion Chinese free from big liberal magical govt uniting most of the world in a peaceful common ideology. Oh, and there is no reason to acknowledge our faults (which are trivial in the big picture) to suit treasonous liberals who oppose everything for which our Founders and modern conservative Americans stand. So what do we do with liberals who really don't belong here in the first place and who constantly interfere with our good works?

The Constitution is by definition a liberal document-- a break away from the monarchy & oppressive regimes of Europe

Obviously have no clue as to what you're talking about

 

[OscarLevant]

liberals want Obamacare socialism, conservatives oppose for example!!

Please look up the definition of socialism and then explain to The Forum how the Affordable Care Act is socialism

You're confusing social policies which both conservatives and liberals have voted for the past with socialism which is where the state owns all of the means of production and distribution

Do your homework, your comments reek of ignorance

 

[OscarLevant]

"Conservatives" overwhelmingly want Medicare (healthcare leaning socialism model,) Social Security (also rooted in socialism leans,) Farm Subsidies (which is protectionism and planned economics... not capitalism,) etc. all of which are not examples of being anti-socialism. "Conservatives" are also not about freedoms or liberty in any regard consistently looking for not just social standards but also infliction of massive domestic spying programs and regulation of anything critical of them and/or involved in information exchange on any level.

Spare us the nonsense, there is no such thing as a "Constitutional Conservative" anywhere in today's "Conservatism" ideology.

The term socialism has totally lost its meaning.

 

[OscarLevant]

actually we are using todays definitions. Liberals of the day( 1776) wanted freedom from govt; today they want huge govt. Do you understand?

Please explain what " freedom from government" means.

Don't bother I'll tell you it means Anarchy. Total Anarchy is chaos so you that's what you favor?

Did you know that the buildings and people in them that constitute federal state and city governments represent a small fraction of the total budget?

In other words, do you have a clue as to what you are actually talking about?

Conservatives harp about small government they don't really know what they're talking about it just sounds like a nice idea it's meaningless.

Okay, I'm getting the idea you don't like social programs such as health and human services department.

Please explain to this forum how the health and human services department is enslaving you.

 

[OscarLevant]

actually socialism is when govt owns major industries. Do you understand?

A few nationalized industries does not make a socialist government. Socialist state is where the state owns all the means of production and distribution

 

[OscarLevant]

"Freedom" and "huge government" are loaded terms. What constitutes a "huge" government? Are you against the socialization of law enforcement? What about fire protection? Both of these things are socialized in America today, and I don't recall any well-known conservative politicians seriously advocating for privatizing police or fire departments in my lifetime. Do you think it would be a good idea to get the government out of the business of enforcing laws? What about aviation safety? Is government control over these things too much power?

I don't know a single liberal who wants the federal government to own all property and dictate their daily routines. I don't know a single conservative who wants the police to send them a massive bill when someone tries to break into their home. However, I do know many liberals who do not want hospitals to send them a massive bill when they have a heart attack.

In this light, the "liberal agenda" doesn't sound like a "huge government" to me. It sounds like it wants to get people who have the privilege of living in this country to chip in their fair share to take care of the less fortunate. People who don't want to pay their fair share don't sound much like American patriots to me. I think this is a case of you not understanding the spirit of what the Constitution of the U.S. stands for.

Well stated. When I argue with conservatives most of them sound incredibly stupid and do not know anything about socialism and all these labels it's all nonsense.

The guy that really understands these things is Noam Chomsky hes got tons of videos on YouTube everyone should listen carefully, no I don't agree with him on some things but he's right on the money on many things

 

[OrphanSlug]

The term socialism has totally lost its meaning.

That is because people do not know the difference between socialism defined and policy that has elements of socialism.

 

[Casper]

Conservatives pay lip service to small government do your homework

Some of the sheep on the right still believe that Repubs are for small government, rational spending, balancing the budget, states rights, personal responsibility, ethics, and the welfare of the middle class and poor, none of which is true and has not been for many decades, if ever.Leave them to their delusions, it is all they have.

 

[James972]

Conservatives pay lip service to small government do your homework

but will cut federal govt in half the moment there is support for it!!