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I am voting for Bernie but can't stand some of Bernies supporters.

Bernie and Busters make up about 8% of the total democratic voter base, according to 538.

Does anyone else feel this way about these rabid Bernie fans?

"Why do I continually plead with Bernie or Busters to vote for other progressive candidates if they win the primary? There are many reasons:

Migrant children dying, concentration camps, racism, xenophobia, possible nuclear war, worsening climate change, worsening air quality, LGBTQ rights, supreme court nominations, deregulation and outright defunding of many necessary federal agencies/programs, increased partisan divisiveness, increased hate crimes on minorities, lack of accountability in the government, cozying up to rogue nations lead by brutal dictators, destruction of relationships with allies, destruction of peace agreements and treaties. This list can likely go on and on, and will likely be edited in the future as more is uncovered."

I like Bernie but I’m not a fan of the Bernie or Busters. | Heretical Druthers

All the "Bernie-bro" stuff is a myth. More dem voters who voted for Hillary in the primary bailed on Obama in the general than did Bernie primary voters who bailed on Hillary in the general.
 
You forgot to mention the massive tax increase on the middle class ( tariffs ) which is predicted to do the economy harm in the long run as middle class disposible incomes shrink as the result.

Yeah, I've got at least one berniecrat with whom i've a bone or two to pick. But, just vote for him, for only Bernie or Biden have the chance of beating Trump. Personally, Bernie will excite the base, and that, in my view, gives him a better shot than Biden. He might scare some moderates, but I believe there are more progressives than moderates and given the facts you have presented, they will come around for any dem is better than Trump. My dog is better than Trump. Trump is going to call anyone a socialist. But, I like that Bernie isn't shying away from it, and he, more than anyone else, knows how to deflect Trump.

Biden, too many guffaws, not sure he's the right guy for the job, though he is qualified.

You do know that the GOP and Russian lie machines have never targeted Bernie and even Trump complemented him in 2016. It is like the want him to be the nominee and that should worry you. They have surely built up a arsenal of half true propaganda on him starting with his honeymoon in the USSR that they can't wait to unleash. I think a Biden/Warren ticket would be unbeatable and that is the point now.
 
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All the "Bernie-bro" stuff is a myth. More dem voters who voted for Hillary in the primary bailed on Obama in the general than did Bernie primary voters who bailed on Hillary in the general.

Maybe so but it does not change the fact that it was Bernie defectors that cost Hillary the 3 Blue States and the election. Someone should have told them that every vote counts. Have they learned their lesson? I'm not so sure.
 
Maybe so but it does not change the fact that it was Bernie defectors that cost Hillary the 3 Blue States and the election. Someone should have told them that every vote counts. Have they learned their lesson? I'm not so sure.

They have blue has one person who excites the base incredibly. Trump.
 
You forgot to mention the massive tax increase on the middle class ( tariffs ) which is predicted to do the economy harm in the long run as middle class disposible incomes shrink as the result.

Yeah, I've got at least one berniecrat with whom i've a bone or two to pick. But, just vote for him, for only Bernie or Biden have the chance of beating Trump. Personally, Bernie will excite the base, and that, in my view, gives him a better shot than Biden. He might scare some moderates, but I believe there are more progressives than moderates and given the facts you have presented, they will come around for any dem is better than Trump. My dog is better than Trump. Trump is going to call anyone a socialist. But, I like that Bernie isn't shying away from it, and he, more than anyone else, knows how to deflect Trump.

Biden, too many guffaws, not sure he's the right guy for the job, though he is qualified.

Too late for Bernie.

2016 was it.

Hence the Bernie or Bust movement.

Hillbots made everybody's bed - time to lie in it.

:hm
 
Perhaps he was talking about the Russian "bots" that were used to spread vicious lies about Hillary like Pizzagate

Hillbots are homegrown, and vastly more destructive than any Russbot.

They're 100% responsible for Trump, and 100% unwilling to take any responsibility for backing the worst candidate in modern US political history, and helping destroy their own criminal party.

:)
 
You do know that the GOP and Russian lie machines have never targeted Bernie and even Trump complemented him in 2016. It is like the want him to be the nominee and that should worry you. They have surely built up a arsenal of half true propaganda on him starting with his honeymoon in the USSR that they can't wait to unleash. I think a Biden/Warren ticket would be unbeatable and that is the point now.

Biden/Warren won't beat Trump, and Harris has been pre-chosen to lose to him.
 
Maybe so but it does not change the fact that it was Bernie defectors that cost Hillary the 3 Blue States and the election. Someone should have told them that every vote counts. Have they learned their lesson? I'm not so sure.

Cost Hillary the vote?

People had some obligation to vote for that sociopath?

Bizarre.

Have Democrats learned their lesson about not being criminal scumbags?

I'm sure.

They haven't.
 
Biden/Warren won't beat Trump, and Harris has been pre-chosen to lose to him.

I agree about Harris, a black women from Cali is even worse than an old Jewish man from Brooklyn. Wish it wasn't so but the middle of the country can't handle either of them. Biden is a known quantity who can restore the office and Warren will keep him honest. Unlike Bernie, she actually has something that went into law, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
 
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:lamo

You're a democracy. If "The People" decide it's communism, it's communism...tough titty said the kitty.

You want to escalate this discussion to threats of violence? Sure...if "more than a few" of you would stand in the way of the national will, then at least it would be the right dead bodies, now wouldn't it.

Of course, this is all just posturing, there is no indication that anywhere near a majority of Americans wish to adopt communism, that's a ridiculous notion, as ridiculous as the notion that Sanders wants to usher in U.S.S.R. style communism.

But, it sure was fun to note you knee jerk to threats of violence when confronted with a vision of America you wouldn't be happy with. You didn't tell me you'd joined Antifa. :lol:

First off we aren't a democracy. Secondly, I believe that is technically incorrect. The people do not get to decide outright what type of government we have. There are only 2 ways that could happen: either by constitutional amendment, or by insurrection.

Now I am assuming that the actual governmental definition of communism is being used and not merely the institution of certain socialist policies. Sure our lawmakers can put those in place by passing laws, etc, etc.
 
They're like Bernie Bros.

Except Hillbots are 100 times worse.

And, you know, real.

:)

I'll take your word for it, have no personal knowledge of it.

Not a Hillary fan.
 
Cost Hillary the vote?

People had some obligation to vote for that sociopath?

Bizarre.

Have Democrats learned their lesson about not being criminal scumbags?

I'm sure.

They haven't.

They put a REAL criminal in office with that bull****. Sorry but you have nothing.
 
lol...your constitution is a living document that has been changed (or amended) before. If the national will is to adopt communism, and the government acts in a way that is representative of that will, which is their job, then you will be communist.

As for your views on political violence, your admission here has just robbed your of your ability to criticize Antifa with any credibility. You sure that's where you want to land?

None of those amendments change what this country is...a constitutional republic.

In case you haven't read history lately, there's a reason why we're not a communist country.

Communist Body Count


As far as ANTIFA, they'll scatter if it gets too hot to play their games. Even Portland OR is taking a stand against their kind.
 
I don't think Trumpeteers actually know what communism and socialism mean.

I see it as not willing to show who you really are. You're starting to lose the mask.
 
There's a communist running?!? :shock:

Be still my foolish heart! :3oops:

But yeah, Bernie would have gotten exactly nothing done, bless his social democrat heart.

:(

Maybe Bernie can get Fredo Cuomo as a running mate.
 
None of those amendments change what this country is...a constitutional republic.

In case you haven't read history lately, there's a reason why we're not a communist country.

Communist Body Count


As far as ANTIFA, they'll scatter if it gets too hot to play their games. Even Portland OR is taking a stand against their kind.


Not yet...hehe...but if the right fights with the left and loses...I mean, either you believe your claims that the Left will "ruin" your country or you don't...lol....if you do, then you must be afraid that they will change the fundamental makeup of the country, no?

Anyway, this whole conversation is a joke, given that I was just riding you on your internet tough guy routine. My point was simply that if the majority of the country want to adopt socialist policy, a la Bernie Sanders (which is not communism, irrespective of whether or not you understand what socialism is, or what adopting socialist policy means), it will, whether you like it or not, up to and including constitutional amendments. Then you got all weird and Internet tough guy, and it all became a lark after that. ;)
 
Aww...you're trying really really hard to vex me, aren't you... :lamo First time didn't work out, so you want to take a cheap shot at Canada? :lamo I'll let you know when someone living in America can make me feel bad about being Canadian...for now I wake up every single morning thanking God that I'm on this side of the border.

lol...unfortunately your responses indicate exactly how seriously I should take you, which is not at all. Better luck next time! :)

It ain't cheap. If you can't fix your own place, why are you here? Every morning, I wake up being thankful I'm not on that side of the border. I've never taken you seriously, you are merely a visitor.
 
Back in the 2016 primary, I liked Sanders at first. He knew that big money in politics was a major obstacle to progress, and he made getting it out part of his platform.

But when it didn't take off, when Hillary ran up the score in the early primaries, something happened, something I've never seen before in my lifetime. Sanders fanned the flames against the "establishment" and by extent, fanned the flames of hatred against Hillary from within the Democratic base. The civil war was on and it was unmistakable which side launched it. It became painfully clear that Sanders supporters, even some who were very close to me, were no longer worthy of my trust simply for being a part of the Democratic base. I learned that I had to deal with their devotion to their messiah in a similar manner to Trump supporters' devotion to their own.

That is what turned me off to him, and that is why I will absolutely not vote for him in the 2020 primary. If he somehow gets the nomination, then I will wear a hazmat suit into the voting booth and vote for his entitled little ass.

What pissed me off is the fact that, in reality, Bernie wears his socialist tag the way an ex-hippie turned investment banker wears a tiny tuft of long hair on the back of their head, tucked away inside the shirt collar of their three piece suit.
Then at the end of the day, out it comes, the investment banker is "letting his freak flag fly!!" as he goes to a Trans-Siberian Orchestra concert.

It's stupid that anything with the word "socialist" in it generates such hysteria but Bernie knows this. He is convinced he's still a socialist even though he's just a New Deal liberal Democrat and has been since Day One on Capitol Hill. He's convinced that he can singlehandedly reeducate America on the various and myriad degrees of socialism, and reverse eighty years of hysterical propaganda.
And all this despite the fact that the Democratic Socialists of America yawned when he announced his candidacy the last time.
He's not a Soviet socialist, he's not a Venezuelan socialist, he's not even a Scandanavian socialist or a European socialist of any kind. All of them view him as too conservative....for a socialist.
And that's because he's a New Deal liberal Democrat.

But for some reason he insists on running the race with the parking brake on and hitching a ride with the Democratic Party.
And of course the Democratic Party is responding in kind. Since he's not technically a Democrat, the party is all "Who are you?"
Sorry, that is the nature of political parties. I didn't write the rules, I just observe them as they are.

Notice that Liz Warren and Bernie agree on an incredible number of issues, but Liz understands how the game is played.
And she's not running the race with an albatross around her neck or the parking brake applied.
I love Bernie but he refuses to accept the realities of the history of US POTUS campaigns.

I am not interested in his attempt to be Valentine Michael Smith and I am not interested in a repeat of the same fate that he suffered in 2016.

If by some miracle he wins the nomination, I'll cast my vote for him but I'd like to see us win for a change.
I can't afford another four years of The Orange Menace.
 
Bernie and Busters make up about 8% of the total democratic voter base, according to 538.

Does anyone else feel this way about these rabid Bernie fans?

"Why do I continually plead with Bernie or Busters to vote for other progressive candidates if they win the primary? There are many reasons:

Migrant children dying, concentration camps, racism, xenophobia, possible nuclear war, worsening climate change, worsening air quality, LGBTQ rights, supreme court nominations, deregulation and outright defunding of many necessary federal agencies/programs, increased partisan divisiveness, increased hate crimes on minorities, lack of accountability in the government, cozying up to rogue nations lead by brutal dictators, destruction of relationships with allies, destruction of peace agreements and treaties. This list can likely go on and on, and will likely be edited in the future as more is uncovered."

I like Bernie but I’m not a fan of the Bernie or Busters. | Heretical Druthers

The whole 'Bernie or Bust' thing is vastly overstated. Even if those numbers are true, they are well within historical parameters; as others have pointed out, bitter, hard core Hillary Clinton PUMA (as in Party Unity My Ass) supporters who abstained or voted for McCain in 2008 were as a % more numerous than Bernie or Busters. As a rule it's concern trolling/pearl clutching leveraged to denigrate Bernie's supporters as mindless zealots impervious to reason or nuance as posts throughout this thread have shown, with several people having obviously drank that particular Koolaide (though no doubt there are people who are legitimately concerned, such as perhaps this writer due to said fear mongering).


Perhaps he was talking about the Russian "bots" that were used to spread vicious lies about Hillary like Pizzagate

Nah, probably the 'Correct the Record' astroturfers:

Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook

Clinton SuperPac Admits to Paying Internet Trolls

If You Want Solid Evidence That Clinton Is Corrupting the Political Process, Here It Is | Current Affairs


As to Biden's viability/electability, the man is clearly going senile, and has rightfully done nothing but decay in the polls since he announced. He'd be a disaster in the general; Trump would eat him alive, especially after having seen some of the especially egregious gaffes he made very recently (to preempt the usual 'but Trump is worse' deflections, Biden is not Teflon Don and cannot shrug these off nearly as easily); he is getting worse, not better. I'd vote for him of course if it comes down to that, but dear god I hope I don't have to.
 
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It ain't cheap. If you can't fix your own place, why are you here? Every morning, I wake up being thankful I'm not on that side of the border. I've never taken you seriously, you are merely a visitor.

:lamo Lemme guess...you thought you were being devastating right there... ;)

As "devastating" as you are, I'm sure I'll manage...somehow....

I always love how you guys, who claim not to GAF about what I think, can't help but respond to my posts...it really is quite adorable. :lamo


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i don't expect to like everyone who votes for the anti-Tweety candidate. remember, some Tweety supporters who aren't racists have to stomach voting with nazis who literally march in the street and chant about Jews. i'd say that's probably tougher mental gymnastics, though they don't really have to do it.
 
:lamo Lemme guess...you thought you were being devastating right there... ;)

As "devastating" as you are, I'm sure I'll manage...somehow....

I always love how you guys, who claim not to GAF about what I think, can't help but respond to my posts...it really is quite adorable. :lamo


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Great! Another Canadian to go on the ignore list. Good bye.

Incidentally, no one really GAFs about you losers: you are here, that's all, and add NOTHING to the conversation.
 
Over more than a few of us dead bodies.
And there it is (again for this year I think), yet another threat of violence.
 
The whole 'Bernie or Bust' thing is vastly overstated. Even if those numbers are true, they are well within historical parameters; as others have pointed out, bitter, hard core Hillary Clinton PUMA (as in Party Unity My Ass) supporters who abstained or voted for McCain in 2008 were as a % more numerous than Bernie or Busters. As a rule it's concern trolling/pearl clutching leveraged to denigrate Bernie's supporters as mindless zealots impervious to reason or nuance as posts throughout this thread have shown, with several people having obviously drank that particular Koolaide (though no doubt there are people who are legitimately concerned, such as perhaps this writer due to said fear mongering).




Nah, probably the 'Correct the Record' astroturfers:

Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook

Clinton SuperPac Admits to Paying Internet Trolls

If You Want Solid Evidence That Clinton Is Corrupting the Political Process, Here It Is | Current Affairs


As to Biden's viability/electability, the man is clearly going senile, and has rightfully done nothing but decay in the polls since he announced. He'd be a disaster in the general; Trump would eat him alive, especially after having seen some of the especially egregious gaffes he made very recently (to preempt the usual 'but Trump is worse' deflections, Biden is not Teflon Don and cannot shrug these off nearly as easily); he is getting worse, not better. I'd vote for him of course if it comes down to that, but dear god I hope I don't have to.

I'm sorry but using a Superpac to push back on a competitor does not make Hillary a "monster" worth voting for Trump out of spite. That is what Bernie supporters did in high enough numbers to make a difference in the election. Perhaps Hillary's people got skittish because of what happened the last time she ran.
Biden is no older than Bernie and he has far better numbers with blacks and independents. I would also love for him to step down after one term and let Warren be our first women President in 2024. Let's get Trump out of the picture FIRST though.
 
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