I am voting for Bernie but can't stand some of Bernies supporters.

[JP Hochbaum]

Bernie and Busters make up about 8% of the total democratic voter base, according to 538.

Does anyone else feel this way about these rabid Bernie fans?

"Why do I continually plead with Bernie or Busters to vote for other progressive candidates if they win the primary? There are many reasons:

Migrant children dying, concentration camps, racism, xenophobia, possible nuclear war, worsening climate change, worsening air quality, LGBTQ rights, supreme court nominations, deregulation and outright defunding of many necessary federal agencies/programs, increased partisan divisiveness, increased hate crimes on minorities, lack of accountability in the government, cozying up to rogue nations lead by brutal dictators, destruction of relationships with allies, destruction of peace agreements and treaties. This list can likely go on and on, and will likely be edited in the future as more is uncovered."

I like Bernie but I’m not a fan of the Bernie or Busters. | Heretical Druthers

 

[Drawdown]

"to vote for other progressive candidates" means "support the establishment democratic nominee". The Green Party is there for his supporters. The DNC is only there for Wall Street.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Bernie and Busters make up about 8% of the total democratic voter base, according to 538.

Does anyone else feel this way about these rabid Bernie fans?

"Why do I continually plead with Bernie or Busters to vote for other progressive candidates if they win the primary? There are many reasons:

Migrant children dying, concentration camps, racism, xenophobia, possible nuclear war, worsening climate change, worsening air quality, LGBTQ rights, supreme court nominations, deregulation and outright defunding of many necessary federal agencies/programs, increased partisan divisiveness, increased hate crimes on minorities, lack of accountability in the government, cozying up to rogue nations lead by brutal dictators, destruction of relationships with allies, destruction of peace agreements and treaties. This list can likely go on and on, and will likely be edited in the future as more is uncovered."

I like Bernie but I’m not a fan of the Bernie or Busters. | Heretical Druthers

Hmmm, perhaps it was learning that the DNC "sabotaged" the Sander's campaign in favor of their "preferred candidate" during the period leading up to the 2016 election?

Of course it could be that those loyalists simply aren't your "basic Democrat" but rather truly socialist. That they don't think "compromise" with goals they don't agree with is a good idea. Or perhaps they simply don't like how the current Party works, despite that laundry list of emotional appeals, falsehoods, and misrepresentations provided by your citation?

Meanwhile, one tends to forget that there are also around the same percentage of citizens who always vote third Party. This because they don't think compromising their political beliefs worth voting for a candidate from either major party they don't like either.

These "Bernie or Bust" members could just as easily argue why don't all those "middle-road" Democrats give up on those fake activist candidates and vote for Bernie instead. :shrug:

 

[Greenbeard]

Nuance is bad, acknowledging tradeoffs is betrayal, and if your perspective differs at all from mine you've been bought, you neoliberal shills!

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Hmmm, perhaps it was learning that the DNC "sabotaged" the Sander's campaign in favor of their "preferred candidate" during the period leading up to the 2016 election?

Of course it could be that those loyalists simply aren't your "basic Democrat" but rather truly socialist. That they don't think "compromise" with goals they don't agree with is a good idea. Or perhaps they simply don't like how the current Party works, despite that laundry list of emotional appeals, falsehoods, and misrepresentations provided by your citation?

Meanwhile, one tends to forget that there are also around the same percentage of citizens who always vote third Party. This because they don't think compromising their political beliefs worth voting for a candidate from either major party they don't like either.

These "Bernie or Bust" members could just as easily argue why don't all those "middle-road" Democrats give up on those fake activist candidates and vote for Bernie instead. :shrug:

What did you see as: emotional appeals, falsehoods, and misrepresentations?

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Nuance is bad, acknowledging tradeoffs is betrayal, and if your perspective differs at all from mine you've been bought, you neoliberal shills!

That pretty much nails it, lol.

 

[WCH]

The greater question is "why you want to vote for a Communist"?

You actually think they will fix or even address many of those issues you mention?

 

[Craig234]

The greater question is "why you want to vote for a Communist"?

You actually think they will fix or even address many of those issues you mention?

Bernie is as much a communist as you are a disciple of Adolf Hitler. Stop lying. All you have is lying smears.

You can't win on honest attacks on Bernie, you can't win on honest defenses of Republicans, so you lie and smear.

 

[Craig234]

Here's the bottom line. There are different types of voters.

People who will vote for Bernie: Progressives, and a broad spectrum of people who see him as honest, straightforward, and not corrupt. This includes most independents.

People who won't vote for Bernie: Hardcore Republicans who care only about the R, suckers who are allergic to the word 'socialist' as part of any discussion and can't or won't rationally understand the issues, corporate Democrats and some Hillary loyalists.

All in all, this balanced out to enough votes for Bernie to win the general in 2016, but not quite the primary in his race to get known by the Democratic Part - but he ended up the most popular politician in the country.

He's facing the same challenges in the primary this time; he'd likely destroy trump in the general, and our country could use his revolution a lot to fight the biggest problem in our country, plutocracy.

 

[Perotista]

"to vote for other progressive candidates" means "support the establishment democratic nominee". The Green Party is there for his supporters. The DNC is only there for Wall Street.

Hillary was definitely Wall Street. She raised 1.191 billion for her campaign with 118 million coming from Wall Street and another 44 million from lobbyist. Trump on the other hand raised 646.8 Million.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

It's really amazing that a candidate won who was out raised and out spent by almost 2-1. I haven't seen a breakdown yet for 2020. But Trump got 38 million from Wall Street and 2 million from lobbyist. Rounded figures.

 

[Craig234]

Hillary was definitely Wall Street. She raised 1.191 billion for her campaign with 118 million coming from Wall Street and another 44 million from lobbyist. Trump on the other hand raised 646.8 Million.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

It's really amazing that a candidate won who was out raised and out spent by almost 2-1. I haven't seen a breakdown yet for 2020. But Trump got 38 million from Wall Street and 2 million from lobbyist. Rounded figures.

Now add in the $2 billion in free media time because trump was a good reality tv troll who got ratings, while the media almost blacklisted Bernie.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

I like Bernie and probably a lot of Dem candidates more than I probably should, but even the hyperpartisan supporters aren't the problem, but the inherently broken socioeconomic system radicalizing them. If we fix this ****, you won't have people on both sides (PARTICULARLY Trump supporters) going extremist ideologue and operating on pure emotion instead of reason and logic so that nothing gets done (thus perpetuating the broken system). I might vote for Bernie in the primary but I might also give my vote to one of the candidates who need it more (given any of them are still there when the primary does happen, if not, Bernie it is).

 

[WCH]

Bernie is as much a communist as you are a disciple of Adolf Hitler. Stop lying. All you have is lying smears.

You can't win on honest attacks on Bernie, you can't win on honest defenses of Republicans, so you lie and smear.

Don't be blind.

Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist

 

[Phys251]

Bernie and Busters make up about 8% of the total democratic voter base, according to 538.

Does anyone else feel this way about these rabid Bernie fans?

"Why do I continually plead with Bernie or Busters to vote for other progressive candidates if they win the primary? There are many reasons:

Migrant children dying, concentration camps, racism, xenophobia, possible nuclear war, worsening climate change, worsening air quality, LGBTQ rights, supreme court nominations, deregulation and outright defunding of many necessary federal agencies/programs, increased partisan divisiveness, increased hate crimes on minorities, lack of accountability in the government, cozying up to rogue nations lead by brutal dictators, destruction of relationships with allies, destruction of peace agreements and treaties. This list can likely go on and on, and will likely be edited in the future as more is uncovered."

I like Bernie but I’m not a fan of the Bernie or Busters. | Heretical Druthers

Back in the 2016 primary, I liked Sanders at first. He knew that big money in politics was a major obstacle to progress, and he made getting it out part of his platform.

But when it didn't take off, when Hillary ran up the score in the early primaries, something happened, something I've never seen before in my lifetime. Sanders fanned the flames against the "establishment" and by extent, fanned the flames of hatred against Hillary from within the Democratic base. The civil war was on and it was unmistakable which side launched it. It became painfully clear that Sanders supporters, even some who were very close to me, were no longer worthy of my trust simply for being a part of the Democratic base. I learned that I had to deal with their devotion to their messiah in a similar manner to Trump supporters' devotion to their own.

That is what turned me off to him, and that is why I will absolutely not vote for him in the 2020 primary. If he somehow gets the nomination, then I will wear a hazmat suit into the voting booth and vote for his entitled little ass.

 

[smallvoice]

Now add in the $2 billion in free media time because trump was a good reality tv troll who got ratings, while the media almost blacklisted Bernie.

Thank God there is someone in the media with two brain cells in contact. We don't need the Bern anywhere near the White House, even as a guest.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Back in the 2016 primary, I liked Sanders at first. He knew that big money in politics was a major obstacle to progress, and he made getting it out part of his platform.

But when it didn't take off, when Hillary ran up the score in the early primaries, something happened, something I've never seen before in my lifetime. Sanders fanned the flames against the "establishment" and by extent, fanned the flames of hatred against Hillary from within the Democratic base. The civil war was on and it was unmistakable which side launched it. It became painfully clear that Sanders supporters, even some who were very close to me, were no longer worthy of my trust simply for being a part of the Democratic base. I learned that I had to deal with their devotion to their messiah in a similar manner to Trump supporters' devotion to their own.

That is what turned me off to him, and that is why I will absolutely not vote for him in the 2020 primary. If he somehow gets the nomination, then I will wear a hazmat suit into the voting booth and vote for his entitled little ass.

In no way, shape or form did Bernie fan any flames against Hillary or the DNC after losing the primary. He called for unity, campaigned for Clinton and pushed progressive issues to be adopted in the Dem platform. I'd love to hear a few examples of what he did after the primary that made you hate him enough to come up with this slanderous nonsense. He is not his Bernie-or-bust supporters.

 

[WCH]

Screw his anti-American ass.

 

[OlNate]

Don't be blind.

Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist

:lol: Cool opinion / smear piece you found yourself there. It's possibly the longest meme I've ever read...hehe...

Quit trying to hijack the thread...if America wants to be communist, America will be communist. :shrug:

 

[WCH]

:lol: Cool opinion / smear piece you found yourself there. It's possibly the longest meme I've ever read...hehe...

Quit trying to hijack the thread...if America wants to be communist, America will be communist. :shrug:

Over more than a few of us dead bodies.

 

[Phys251]

In no way, shape or form did Bernie fan any flames against Hillary or the DNC after losing the primary. He called for unity, campaigned for Clinton and pushed progressive issues to be adopted in the Dem platform. I'd love to hear a few examples of what he did after the primary that made you hate him enough to come up with this slanderous nonsense. He is not his Bernie-or-bust supporters.

Sure, let's pretend that Sanders' tepid support of Hillary after the primary made up for his repeated earlier attacks on her character, her experience, her qualifications--yes, he called her unqualified--her being a part of "the establishment", etc. etc. etc. don't count. :roll:

I know what I saw from the Bernie-or-busters. They eagerly waged civil war against "the establishment." If you didn't agree with them 100%, then having a civil conversation with them was impossible. Hell it took a Sanders-supporting comedian at the DNC to call them out, and those people absolutely pilloried her for having the gall to speak truth to them.

 

[OlNate]

Over more than a few of us dead bodies.

:lamo

You're a democracy. If "The People" decide it's communism, it's communism...tough titty said the kitty.

You want to escalate this discussion to threats of violence? Sure...if "more than a few" of you would stand in the way of the national will, then at least it would be the right dead bodies, now wouldn't it.

Of course, this is all just posturing, there is no indication that anywhere near a majority of Americans wish to adopt communism, that's a ridiculous notion, as ridiculous as the notion that Sanders wants to usher in U.S.S.R. style communism.

But, it sure was fun to note you knee jerk to threats of violence when confronted with a vision of America you wouldn't be happy with. You didn't tell me you'd joined Antifa. :lol:

 

[WCH]

:lamo

You're a democracy. If "The People" decide it's communism, it's communism...tough titty said the kitty.

You want to escalate this discussion to threats of violence? Sure...if "more than a few" of you would stand in the way of the national will, then at least it would be the right dead bodies, now wouldn't it.

Of course, this is all just posturing, there is no indication that anywhere near a majority of Americans wish to adopt communism, that's a ridiculous notion, as ridiculous as the notion that Sanders wants to usher in U.S.S.R. style communism.

But, it sure was fun to note you knee jerk to threats of violence when confronted with a vision of America you wouldn't be happy with. You didn't tell me you'd joined Antifa. :lol:

America is a Constitutional Republic. The United States of America was established as a Republic, not a Democracy. A Republic states that the people have certain inalienable rights that even the Government can’t take away. A Democracy does whatever the majority says.

As far as "threats of violence"...hundreds of million of people have died in the face of Communist regimes as have many freedom loving Americans. Comes with the territory.

 

[smallvoice]

:lol: Cool opinion / smear piece you found yourself there. It's possibly the longest meme I've ever read...hehe...

Quit trying to hijack the thread...if America wants to be communist, America will be communist. :shrug:

Yeah, and if America wanted to be DimSoc we would be.

 

[OlNate]

America is a Constitutional Republic. The United States of America was established as a Republic, not a Democracy. A Republic states that the people have certain inalienable rights that even the Government can’t take away. A Democracy does whatever the majority says.

As far as "threats of violence"...hundreds of million of people have died in the face of Communist regimes as have many freedom loving Americans. Comes with the territory.

lol...your constitution is a living document that has been changed (or amended) before. If the national will is to adopt communism, and the government acts in a way that is representative of that will, which is their job, then you will be communist.

As for your views on political violence, your admission here has just robbed your of your ability to criticize Antifa with any credibility. You sure that's where you want to land?

 

[Ikari]

The greater question is "why you want to vote for a Communist"?

You actually think they will fix or even address many of those issues you mention?

I don't think Trumpeteers actually know what communism and socialism mean.