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I am allowed to rob you.

lwf said:
A representative democracy is a democracy.
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I've seen that topic argued to death. That is the most elegantly succinct reply. <- period I can't believe I didn't think of it. BRAVO!!!

Next time some knucklehead starts with "it's a republic" nonsense ... may I use it? (I'm going to anyway :) )
 
Robertinfremont said:
Is Trump allowed to rob me? What about Biden? What about Schumer?

Here the concept the authority is allowed to rob you is examined.

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Do you believe in the U.S. Constitution or not?
 
In a sense, he is correct, however, it's not robbing per se. the constitution is a way, our way , of organizing a somewhat free society. the issue lies in the fact of what it takes to change that organization by those who agree to live in that society, if it is deemed necessary. as long as there is a way for the governed to affect change in our constitution and thus our society, such as by the vote, then it is doing its job, that we agreed to accept when growing up as a citizen of the United States.

if it ever STOPS doing that, by policy or whatever, THEN it is time for the citizenry to take matters into their own hands and reestablish the rights of mankind to which the constitution is supposed to adhere.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Sweden as an example?
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No, Sweden is too big - pop 10m - and has too many 'communities' . Iceland just maybe with a population of 360K Certainly when I lived there in the late 70s, before it experienced - allowed rather - mass immigration. It then had a homogenous population of 250,000.
 
Irwin Corey said:
It's not, but, taking my audience into account; let me simplify:

All levels of Government in These United States derive their AUTHORITY from THE Constitution, State Constitutions, local charters and/or other legally approved documents. Those documents allow them to write laws and enforce laws, tax and spend taxes to supply government and government services. By residing in These United States and the State and local he does, your "video guy" subjects himself to the laws and taxation of Government.

Individual Citizens do NOT reserve or derive any authority to create their own laws or enforce them, from government. <-period Individuals can have rules they enforce in their home, on their property or place of business; AS LONG AS THOSE RULES DON'T CONFLICT WITH "THE LAW OF THE LAND". Therefore the premise of his video falls apart right out of the gate since "robbery" is universally against the law.

Obviously you don't know what "jingoism" means. My first reply may have been smug, snobbish and insulting; but it was correct.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^better argument. I know what jingoism means.
 
Lisa said:
Larken Rose is just another tax protester who did time in the federal pen for his antics.
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Larken Rose is a man of principle. Today there are protests by people who lack principle. We have congress members protesting who lack principle.
 
pinqy said:
Then why did you bring up Lincoln and slavery? And by claiming that the CSA were fine in giving themselves authority to take over Fort Sumter, you’ve undermined your whole point on giving oneself authority.
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I did so as an argument about self authority and due to what Lincoln did, made it about slavery. I will examine later your point about the CSA. I do not recall defending their self authority.
 
less right said:
He was the first modern president to more than double the national debt. How fabulous is that? Even my great-grandkids will be reminded as they try to pay more than interest payments on Reagan's debt.
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Reagan was a piker compared to what Obama did to all of us. Obama took the debt from 9 trillion to 19 trillion rounded up.
 
Robertinfremont said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^better argument. I know what jingoism means.
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Same argument simplified. Apparently you don't, there was nothing jingoistic about my first reply.
 
Lisa said:
Larken Rose is just another tax protester who did time in the federal pen for his antics.
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BLM are also just more protesters and hopefully many will do time in prison for their antics.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Reagan was a piker compared to what Obama did to all of us. Obama took the debt from 9 trillion to 19 trillion rounded up.
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So, then you're not a financial expert? Because if you were you'd know that Reagan doubling our national debt locked us into exponential debt growth with no easy way out. And, Reagan did it at a time we WERE NOT in the depths of the second worst financial crisis ever.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I said you gave a better argument. Why not accept the compliment?
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Just pointing out it wasn't a "better" argument; it was the same argument reworded.
 
Irwin Corey said:
I've seen that topic argued to death. That is the most elegantly succinct reply. <- period I can't believe I didn't think of it. BRAVO!!!

Next time some knucklehead starts with "it's a republic" nonsense ... may I use it? (I'm going to anyway :) )
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:lol:

I am not possessive of anything I say on these boards. Anybody can use anything I write however they want.
 
Irwin Corey said:
So, then you're not a financial expert? Because if you were you'd know that Reagan doubling our national debt locked us into exponential debt growth with no easy way out. And, Reagan did it at a time we WERE NOT in the depths of the second worst financial crisis ever.
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I am a financial expert in a particular field. What Reagan inherited took a special tax program. Bet you have no idea what it was.

Accelerated Cost Recovery System (ACRS) - Encyclopedia - Business Terms | Inc.com.

The Accelerated Cost Recovery System (ACRS) is a method of depreciating property for tax purposes; it allows individuals and businesses to write off capitalized assets in an accelerated manner. Adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1981 as part of the Economic Recovery Tax Act, ACRS assigns assets to one of eight recovery classes—ranging from 3 to 19 years—depending on the assets' useful lives. These recovery classes are used as the basis for depreciation of the assets.

The idea behind ACRS was to increase the tax deduction for depreciation of property and thus increase the cash flow available to individuals and businesses for investment. It was put in place during an economic recession and "unleashed a torrential flow of corporate cash," according to Elizabeth Kaplan in Dun's Business Month. In fact, at the time it was enacted, ACRS was expected to add between $50 and $100 billion to the incomes of individuals and businesses over a 10-year period.
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Robertinfremont said:
Larken won't agree but thanks for endorsing the Trump government.
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We do not "endorse" Trumps governing but we know his days are numbered. That is how America has lasted nearly 250 years. We don't have kings and bad leadership will lead to ouster. Even good leadership is temporary but our Republic remains forever. This is something all Americans used to know. Trumpists seem to have forgotten what being an American is.
 
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iguanaman said:
We do not "endorse" Trumps governing but we know his days are numbered. That is how America has lasted nearly 250 years. We don't have kings and bad leadership will lead to ouster.
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Ouster is up for debate. I will vote for Trump. So will these people.

 
Robertinfremont said:
I am a financial expert in a particular field. What Reagan inherited took a special tax program. Bet you have no idea what it was.

Accelerated Cost Recovery System (ACRS) - Encyclopedia - Business Terms | Inc.com.
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But has noting to do with Reagan taking our debt growth exponential "FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER" or why once exponential debt growth was begun, the way Central Banking works, it's nearly impossible to get back to Linear growth. And that, comparing Obama to Regan, is totally disingenuous because their respective situations were drastically different. Basically you're changing the argument, but to what purpose?
 
Robertinfremont said:
Fine, you did not give a better argument. Sorry I complimented you and you object vociferously.
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Both times I gave the correct reason you're OP vid is bull****.
 
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