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I am allowed to rob you.

Questerr said:
You are not allowed to rob me. The Constitution spells out how taxes are to function in America and nowhere in them are you allowed to rob me.

BTW, YOU were the one who digressed to your very wrong positions on the Civil War in this thread. So maybe you need to remind yourself of the topic.

Also, I've never reported anyone on this site about anything, so no I didn't.
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I am going to visit the other forum for now. Thanks for confirming you did not report me. Be well.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I love how you quote Ronald Reagan. What a super fabulous president for you to quote.
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He was the first modern president to more than double the national debt. How fabulous is that? Even my great-grandkids will be reminded as they try to pay more than interest payments on Reagan's debt.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Larken Rose talks that way.
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Is he right? Does the government have the moral authority to challenge my claim on your house? After all, neither you nor I agreed to the constitution.
 
Deuce said:
Is he right? Does the government have the moral authority to challenge my claim on your house? After all, neither you nor I agreed to the constitution.
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Government is socialism. Eminent domain is a right guaranteed by our supreme laws of the land.
 
Deuce said:
Ok buddy.
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Thanks.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Is Trump allowed to rob me? What about Biden? What about Schumer?

Here the concept the authority is allowed to rob you is examined.

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These questions pointing to a 9+ minute video are inadequate. Do better.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Is Trump allowed to rob me? What about Biden? What about Schumer?

Here the concept the authority is allowed to rob you is examined.

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Aww how cute, you piddled on the rug, AGAIN! :roll:
 
Robertinfremont said:
Right here.

Athenian democracy - Wikipedia

Athenian democracy developed around the sixth century BC in the Greek city-state (known as a polis) of Athens, comprising the city of Athens and the surrounding territory of Attica. Athenian democracy is often described as the first known democracy in the world. Other Greek cities set up democracies, most following the Athenian model, but none are as well documented as Athens' democracy.

Athens practiced a political system of legislation and executive bills. Participation was far from open to all residents, but was instead limited to adult, male citizens (i.e., not a foreign resident, regardless of how many generations of the family had lived in the city, nor a slave, nor a woman), who "were probably no more than 30 percent of the total adult population".[1]

Solon (in 594 BC), Cleisthenes (in 508/7 BC), and Ephialtes (in 462 BC) contributed to the development of Athenian democracy. Cleisthenes broke up the power of the nobility by organizing citizens into ten groups based on where they lived, rather than on their wealth. The longest-lasting democratic leader was Pericles. After his death, Athenian democracy was twice briefly interrupted by oligarchic revolutions towards the end of the Peloponnesian War. It was modified somewhat after it was restored under Eucleides; the most detailed accounts of the system are of this fourth-century modification, rather than the Periclean system. Democracy was suppressed by the Macedonians in 322 BC. The Athenian institutions were later revived, but how close they were to a real democracy is debatable.
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Something like this could only work in a very small pre-industrial society - and even then would fall short of any theoretical ideal.
 
Deuce said:
Large scale theft is evil, wouldn't you agree?

He's saying taxes are large scale theft. He is saying taxation comes from an invalid constitution. Therefore he is, literally, saying the constitution is evil. He even crumpled it up and threw it away.

Please, feel free to defend that.
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Saying that the US Constitution is imperfect, or even that it is outdated and unsuitable in an advanced society is not at all the same as saying it is 'evil'.
 
Sweden said:
Saying that the US Constitution is imperfect, or even that it is outdated and unsuitable in an advanced society is not at all the same as saying it is 'evil'.
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Uh, the guy in the video posted literally crumpled it up and threw it away. The entire premise of that video is that the constitution has no moral authority over anyone because nobody today could possibly have consented to granting that authority. (as we were not alive at the time)

Now, he only whined about taxes, but his premise applies equally to literally every part of the constitution. He didn't consent to military defense or to free speech either.
 
Robertinfremont said:
You just robbed me of my time. So what pay will you pay?

Not a word about the Larken Rose video. I debated Larken and he would make you look silly, wait, sillier.
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:lol:

You're Larken Rose aren't you? And you are here to evangelize your bull****. Right?
 
dex4974 said:
Do you seriously think there should be no taxes or government?
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If there were a way of doing that I would be intrigued, but I would want to hear the entire pitch before I signed on.
 
Deuce said:
Uh, the guy in the video posted literally crumpled it up and threw it away. The entire premise of that video is that the constitution has no moral authority over anyone because nobody today could possibly have consented to granting that authority. (as we were not alive at the time)

Now, he only whined about taxes, but his premise applies equally to literally every part of the constitution. He didn't consent to military defense or to free speech either.
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I'm not sure people who complain like this have either a good understanding of what the government actually does or have any better alternative in mind.
 
poweRob said:
:lol:

You're Larken Rose aren't you? And you are here to evangelize your bull****. Right?
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I debated Larken Rose years ago, ahead of the book coming out that included him and me in it.

There is no Goverment like no government.webp
 
Robertinfremont said:
You just robbed me of my time. So what pay will you pay?

Not a word about the Larken Rose video. I debated Larken and he would make you look silly, wait, sillier.
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Larken Rose is just another tax protester who did time in the federal pen for his antics.

American libertarian and tax protestor.

Larken Rose was sentenced to 15 months in prison for willful failure to file income tax returns in five years in which the government alleged that his income was approximately $500,000. He was released from prison in December 2006.
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Robertinfremont said:
I would love to remind you (you reported me) that this topic is about I am allowed to rob you.
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Then why did you bring up Lincoln and slavery? And by claiming that the CSA were fine in giving themselves authority to take over Fort Sumter, you’ve undermined your whole point on giving oneself authority.
 
Robertinfremont said:
Oh lord no. Millions believe as I believe. It is why Trump will again win.

from #64 you said:
"When whiners fight against Trump, lord knows i want the same question answered. Why do Democrats hate the lawful president? if they love taxes, they should love Trump."
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Yes, about 1/3 of AmeriCANs would follow Trump off a cliff; and are. But this isn't 16, millions of Democrats, Liberal Independents AND disaffected Republicans are chomping at the bit to vote AGAINST the chaos and divisiveness of Donald Trump.
 
Robertinfremont said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ awful argument^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ too much jingoism. Too many insults. it leads to the claim said reply is smug snobbery.
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It's not, but, taking my audience into account; let me simplify:

All levels of Government in These United States derive their AUTHORITY from THE Constitution, State Constitutions, local charters and/or other legally approved documents. Those documents allow them to write laws and enforce laws, tax and spend taxes to supply government and government services. By residing in These United States and the State and local he does, your "video guy" subjects himself to the laws and taxation of Government.

Individual Citizens do NOT reserve or derive any authority to create their own laws or enforce them, from government. <-period Individuals can have rules they enforce in their home, on their property or place of business; AS LONG AS THOSE RULES DON'T CONFLICT WITH "THE LAW OF THE LAND". Therefore the premise of his video falls apart right out of the gate since "robbery" is universally against the law.

Obviously you don't know what "jingoism" means. My first reply may have been smug, snobbish and insulting; but it was correct.
 
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