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I actually agree with Kamala Harris on something.

ttwtt78640 said:
State/local governments - there is no mention of mental health or medical care as a constitutional federal government power.
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Correct.

But the bottom line is that the money's going to come from the Feds anyway.

And why should crazy-magnet California, for instance, have to pay for the nutjobs who have dropped in from every corner of the country?
 
jdog21 said:
There is no capitalistic incentive to provide such a thing
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That is not true - what is lacking is a demand with funding. There are plenty of mental health professionals and addiction rehab centers - they just will not work without pay. There is no mention of mental health or medical care as a constitutional federal government power.
 
Grandpappy said:
Of all the Dem candidates, she's certainly not my favorite, but her idea of expanding treatment of mental health issues is a good one. Multiple lives could be saved by this.

Kamala Harris proposes doubling mental health treatment beds
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The state has been yammering about this for years. The bottom line is California doesn’t have the money. A significant portion of all of the new tax increases for infrastructure are being used to back fill the pension funds, and pay for Medi-Cal (medical for the poor and/or illegal).

The problem has reached critical mass and the state does not have the political will or the money to create a robust enough mental health system, and they are even less interested in working with Trump.

I understand Trump has something up his sleeve regarding homeless in California. My sense is that he is going to use California as a democrat poster child as he uses the courts to force a solution.
 
chuckiechan said:
The state has been yammering about this for years. The bottom line is California doesn’t have the money. A significant portion of all of the new tax increases for infrastructure are being used to back fill the pension funds, and pay for Medi-Cal (medical for the poor and/or illegal).

The problem has reached critical mass and the state does not have the political will or the money to create a robust enough mental health system, and they are even less interested in working with Trump.

I understand Trump has something up his sleeve regarding homeless in California. My sense is that he is going to use California as a democrat poster child as he uses the courts to force a solution.
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It's disturbing to me that our state government seems to care more about citizens of other countries than their own people.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Correct.

But the bottom line is that the money's going to come from the Feds anyway.

And why should crazy-magnet California, for instance, have to pay for the nutjobs who have dropped in from every corner of the country?
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Precisely because CA has become a "crazy-magnet". Why should folks in TX, OH or NE be forced to fund mental health facilities in "crazy-magnet" CA?
 
Grandpappy said:
It's disturbing to me that our state government seems to care more about citizens of other countries than their own people.
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It is more disturbing to me that such state government mismanagement is said to deserve a federal reward.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Correct.

But the bottom line is that the money's going to come from the Feds anyway.

And why should crazy-magnet California, for instance, have to pay for the nutjobs who have dropped in from every corner of the country?
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That's step one toward dealing with the problem of homelessness.
Step two- nah, they're not quite ready for step two yet. We'll wait 'till step one has been taken.
 
RetiredUSN said:
To think that it only took her about 9 months to come up with something say that is worthwhile.
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That's faster than Trump's healthcare plan has come to pass.

He couldn't produce one in more than two years (after he claimed it was ready to go) and now he's moved the goalposts to after his next election. Rubes don't mind being lied to.
 
Grandpappy said:
It's disturbing to me that our state government seems to care more about citizens of other countries than their own people.
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Education - we are almost at the coveted last place in the nation. A lot of budget stress is the huge influx of non English speaking children taking resources from the three R’s.
Healthcare - poor and illegals. Basically Medicare for all without the supplemental plan - AKA an Medicare Advantage plan
Pensions - public unions have fought to keep employee contribution rates low, and pensions funds have lied to appear that their investment plan results in solvency.
Homeless - sorry. No money. (Illegals with kids - borrowed or not - get priority housing over veterans and homeless without children. Cute.)
Bottom line: They are all hand holding cronies, and have virtually no accountability.

One party state + one party media = corruption.

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Addressing the core issues that deal with mental health such as drug addiction, post traumatic stress or psychological trauma caused by death, emotional abuse, or sexual abuse won't be solved by increasing the numbers of beds in mental health facilities. Russia has dealt with mental health by providing shelter for mentally ill people in Russia. We found out how well that worked during the Soviet Union days when there had been an increase of the bed numbers because psychiatric services had been used to treat dissidents.

Mental health has always been a very low priority in the health care system in Russia. It may surprise some people but according to the WHO (World Health Organization) -- in developed countries, around 66% of people with mental disorders do not receive treatment, but in developing countries this figure reaches 90%. Those are pretty stunning statistics.

Adding beds, then adding more beds to that adding of beds equals what? It equals a lot of mentally ill people being sheltered in sub-standard institutions or long term care facilities that will further drain the resources of our State and Federal government. I've worked in mental health and there is a population of unfortunate people that were born with mental deficiencies and are unable to live on their own but there is a much greater population of mentally ill people who are just not given access to free, or at least affordable, mental health care. This is where we fail as a country, it has nothing to do with numbers of beds for mentally ill.

I'm old and can speak from personal experience because I've been to a mental institution. My first time was when I was a Girl Scout and our 'troop' was taken on a day trip to a mental institution. We were all carrying little gifts to hand out to 'patients' there. I have to say, it was possibly one of the worst memories of my childhood. The photo below was taken in a mental hospital in Ohio during the 1950's. Those State-run mental hospitals were all over the country. They were nothing more than holding bins for people that society wanted to be shielded from, hidden from view. Nearly all mental hospitals are nonexistent in the U.S., for good reason. By adding more beds, and/or opening up State or Federally run 'institutions', aren't we just going backwards in mental health care?

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less right said:
That's faster than Trump's healthcare plan has come to pass.

He couldn't produce one in more than two years (after he claimed it was ready to go) and now he's moved the goalposts to after his next election. Rubes don't mind being lied to.
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Rubes have been lied to for 10 years on healthcare.

So?
 
Grandpappy said:
Of all the Dem candidates, she's certainly not my favorite, but her idea of expanding treatment of mental health issues is a good one. Multiple lives could be saved by this.

Kamala Harris proposes doubling mental health treatment beds
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She is correct, but M4A would cover this for everyone, and there'd be no need for "expansion."

Further, why do you think it is the republicans constantly blame mental health for shootings, but never offer any plans to actually address mental health?
 
RetiredUSN said:
Rubes have been lied to for 10 years on healthcare.

So?
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Dems didn't lie. You may not have liked it but they actually came up with a plan.

Trump lied to you. He didn't have a plan ready. He still doesn't have a plan ready, good, bad or indifferent.

Trump makes promises he expects others to fulfill and you ignore his lies about his plan.
 
HumblePi said:
Addressing the core issues that deal with mental health such as drug addiction, post traumatic stress or psychological trauma caused by death, emotional abuse, or sexual abuse won't be solved by increasing the numbers of beds in mental health facilities. Russia has dealt with mental health by providing shelter for mentally ill people in Russia. We found out how well that worked during the Soviet Union days when there had been an increase of the bed numbers because psychiatric services had been used to treat dissidents.

Mental health has always been a very low priority in the health care system in Russia. It may surprise some people but according to the WHO (World Health Organization) -- in developed countries, around 66% of people with mental disorders do not receive treatment, but in developing countries this figure reaches 90%. Those are pretty stunning statistics.

Adding beds, then adding more beds to that adding of beds equals what? It equals a lot of mentally ill people being sheltered in sub-standard institutions or long term care facilities that will further drain the resources of our State and Federal government. I've worked in mental health and there is a population of unfortunate people that were born with mental deficiencies and are unable to live on their own but there is a much greater population of mentally ill people who are just not given access to free, or at least affordable, mental health care. This is where we fail as a country, it has nothing to do with numbers of beds for mentally ill.

I'm old and can speak from personal experience because I've been to a mental institution. My first time was when I was a Girl Scout and our 'troop' was taken on a day trip to a mental institution. We were all carrying little gifts to hand out to 'patients' there. I have to say, it was possibly one of the worst memories of my childhood. The photo below was taken in a mental hospital in Ohio during the 1950's. Those State-run mental hospitals were all over the country. They were nothing more than holding bins for people that society wanted to be shielded from, hidden from view. Nearly all mental hospitals are nonexistent in the U.S., for good reason. By adding more beds, and/or opening up State or Federally run 'institutions', aren't we just going backwards in mental health care?

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Going back to the old State Hospital system could be done correctly and humanely. Treatments for these issues have improved since the 50s and 60s. I remember the "funny farms", too.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is not true - what is lacking is a demand with funding. There are plenty of mental health professionals and addiction rehab centers - they just will not work without pay. There is no mention of mental health or medical care as a constitutional federal government power.
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Mental health professionals are getting paid cause those patients don't have the capital to give to them.
 
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