How to reduce health care prices 80% in 2 easy steps:

[ataraxia]

gibberish!! both capitalism and socialism require govt regulations and control, but they are different words for different economic ideas.

There are no countries in the world today, or ever, which have been pure one way or the other. All modern developed economies in the world are mixed economies. And it's not because they are stupid.

 

[ataraxia]

well system is not going to collapse any time soon so not a worry. In any case we won't let people die outside ER doors. It would be heartless. Better to have as much capitalism as possible without some people dying at ER doors. Debtors prison would be better idea than letting them die. Do you understand?

I know this guy going blind from glaucoma. Can't afford the expensive eyedrops it would take to preserve his vision. How is the ER going to help him?

 

[James972]

I know this guy going blind from glaucoma. Can't afford the expensive eyedrops it would take to preserve his vision. How is the ER going to help him?

they would probably give him a dose on the spot or if it could wait just send him to an eye doctor. And???????

 

[James972]

There are no countries in the world today, or ever, which have been pure one way or the other.

if you had taken econ 101 you would not think that profound and print it here for 2349th time.

 

[James972]

All modern developed economies in the world are mixed economies. And it's not because they are stupid.

we agree; so?? Did someone disagree anywhere on earth??

 

[ataraxia]

they would probably give him a dose on the spot or if it could wait just send him to an eye doctor. And???????

He just lost his job in downsizing. Can't afford the eye doctor or the drops.

 

[ataraxia]

if you had taken econ 101 you would not think that profound and print it here for 2349th time.

I may have printed here a few times, but have yet to get an answer.

Econ 101 does not say that anything that's left on the free market will become affordable for all. After all, not everyone can afford a private jet. Not sure what makes you think they can afford cancer treatment if left to the free market. We, as a civil society, are OK with not everyone having a private jet. But access to healthcare is a human right and should be a basic dignity. We are not OK with watching a father of 3 die of an easily treated illness just because he lost a job or business at a bad time.

 

[Critter7r]

gibberish!! both capitalism and socialism require govt regulations and control, but they are different words for different economic ideas.

Whatever lets you sleep at night ...

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[James972]

Whatever lets you sleep at night ...

translation: as a typical liberal I lost that debate too but will remain a liberal since liberals care more and therefore know in their hearts they are right.

 

[James972]

. After all, not everyone can afford a private jet.

does anyone on earth disagree? Is this your most recent discovery?

 

[James972]

. Not sure what makes you think they can afford cancer treatment if left to the free market..

Republican free market competition requires that you have lowest price and best quality to survive. you have learned this 2347 times now!!

 

[James972]

We are not OK with watching a father of 3 die of an easily treated illness just because he lost a job or business at a bad time.

probably the entire world agrees. Do you have any idea why you're pointing it out?

 

[Critter7r]

translation: as a typical liberal I lost that debate too but will remain a liberal since liberals care more and therefore know in their hearts they are right.

translation: I dont understand the argument and Im going to claim victory when my opponent tires of explaining it to me.

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[ataraxia]

Republican free market competition requires that you have lowest price and best quality to survive. you have learned this 2347 times now!!

Yeah sure. But does that mean it makes things accessible to all?

If a private jet isn't, what makes you think cancer chemotherapy would be?

 

[James972]

Yeah sure. But does that mean it makes things accessible to all?

If a private jet isn't, what makes you think cancer chemotherapy would be?

you have asked that 2347 times?? Free market price would drive cost as low as possible and quality as high as possible. The few who could not afford it at 20% of todays prices could get loans or gifts from family friends neighbors churches local govt, and perhaps even state govt. Do you want to ask it 2348 times now?

 

[ataraxia]

you have asked that 2347 times?? Free market price would drive cost as low as possible and quality as high as possible. The few who could not afford it at 20% of todays prices could get loans or gifts from family friends neighbors churches local govt, and perhaps even state govt. Do you want to ask it 2348 times now?

Before the ACA, 45,000 Americans a year were DYING, every single year, from treatable illness because of lack of access to healthcare. We are not even talking about things like living with debilitating chronic pain or going blind. Where were all these family friends neighbors churches local govt to help them?

Before Medicare,

The report concluded that "the cost of medical care is prohibitively high for the majority of the aged, principally for those requiring hospital care. Many aged persons never recover from the economic effects of a single hospital episode. Unfortunately, the heaviest burden is likely to fall on those with the least resources. Those with insurance are better able to absorb the blow than those without such protection, but even for the insured, there is no present guarantee against dependency in old age caused by catastrophic medical expenses."

Were the early 1960s a golden age for health care? | PolitiFact

Medicare was not passed because the free market was working so well for the majority of the elderly.

 

[C R O I X]

The absence of socialism is anarchy. You said that nobody is advocating for anarchy. I assume you include yourself in "nobody". Ergo, you're advocating for socialism, just (possibly) less socialism than someone else.

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100% wrong of course. Socialism is when govt owns the commanding heights ie the big industries. In the absence of socialism you can have capitalism for example. Now do you understand?

Originally both of what we call today right and left are actually two versions of the leftism. Jacobins was sitting on the left side.

Here a documentary showing on haw the government is important for the capitalism development as well for the development in technology and health system. Without the big state financing technologies and researching there would have no private company investing such amount of money and taking advantages of what they sell or offer as a services. As it explain in the documentary, we tax payers pay twice when we buy medicine and pieces of technologies from private companies.

 

[Aristaeus]

you have asked that 2347 times?? Free market price would drive cost as low as possible and quality as high as possible.

No it wouldn't. The healthcare providers know that someone is not going to refuse chemotherapy they can afford because they think the price is too high. The free market system doesn't work for healthcare because the consumers are not in a position to walk away.

 

[James972]

The free market system doesn't work for healthcare because the consumers are not in a position to walk away.

consumers are not in a position to walk away in market for food clothing and shelter either so rather than walk away they walk into the arms of the competition. Now do you understand?

 

[James972]

Before the ACA, 45,000 Americans a year were DYING, every single year.

so then reducing price 80% would be a huge huge Republican blessing.

 

[James972]

Medicare was not passed because the free market was working so well for the majority of the elderly.

you have learned 2378 times that McCarran Ferguson made the free market in health care illegal in 1946 Shall we go for 2379?

 

[James972]

He just lost his job in downsizing. Can't afford the eye doctor or the drops.

if price was 20% of current he probably could afford borrow loan church family friends local govt etc. Do you understand?

 

[James972]

Here a documentary showing on haw the government is important for the capitalism development as well for the development in technology and health system.

you meant its important for govt to get out of the way for technology and health systems to develop- right? Ever heard of East /West Germany?

 

[C R O I X]

you meant its important for govt to get out of the way for technology and health systems to develop- right? Ever heard of East /West Germany?

West Germany is where Government invested much more in scientific research and had more money available after the pos war crisis, while in East communist German it has much less money available for research and had less scientific research. Even the Soviet Space Program created technologies that without them we wouldn't have today or until other government had developed it, such as industrial treads, the AK-47, both the weaponization of and the vaccine for anthrax, heart surgery bypass techniques still in use today. A lot of tecnological invention we use today in our mobiles, cars and clothes were developed by Governement during cold war and Space program and could never be developed by private sector. And the ones created by the west, specially by US, was to keep up or ahead with the Soviets during space race and Cold War.

Inventions and inivations created by Soviet Government.

SPACE :
Tata Sky Development System (direct broadcast satellite)
Prime spacesuit, CH-1 (1931)
First multistage rocket (1947)
Creating the staged combustion (1949)
First spaceport, Baikonur Cosmodrome (1957)
First orbiting satellite, Sputnik 1 (1957)
First living being in orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2 (1957)
First man-made object to leave the Earth's orbit, Luna 1 (1959)
First telemetry communication to and from off the ground, Luna 1 (1959)
First object to pass near the moon, and the first object in solar orbit Luna 1 (1959)
First satellite hit the moon, Luna 2 (1959)
First images of the dark side of the moon, Luna 3 (1959)
First satellite to be launched to Mars, Marsnik 1 (1960)
First rocket boots (1960)
Creating space food (1961)
First satellite to Venus, Venera 1 (1961)
First person to enter orbit around the Earth, Yuri Gagarin in Vostok 1 (1961)
First person to spend one day in orbit, Gherman Titov, Vostok 2 (1961)
First double flight, manned Vostok 3 and Vostok 4 (1962)
First probe on Mars, Mars 1 (1962) made ​​the first pictures of Mars from space
First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6 (1963)
Multitripulado first flight (3 persons), Voskhod 1 (1964)
First spacewalk EVA, by Aleksei Leonov, Voskhod 2 (1965)
First probe to hit another planet Venus, Venera 3 (1965)
First probe landing on the moon and transmitted from there, Luna 9 (1966)
First probe into lunar orbit, Luna 10 (1966)
Creation of the Soviet Soyuz spacecraft model (1967), which is the only way that NASA and ESA send astronauts into space
First space bathroom (1967)
First meeting and unmanned docking, Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188 (1967) until 2006 this feat was not mimicked by the USA
Close coupling and exchange of crew in orbit, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5 (1969)
First extraterrestrial samples returned by Luna 16 (1970)

 

[C R O I X]

you meant its important for govt to get out of the way for technology and health systems to develop- right? Ever heard of East /West Germany?

There are more:

First robot on a celestial body, Lunokhod 1 (1970)
First probe to Venus, Venera 7 (1970)
First data received from a probe on another planet (Venus), Venera 7 (1970)
First space station, Salyut 1 (1971)
First satellite to orbit Mars and make a descent, Mars 2 (1971)
Second robot on a celestial body, Lunokhod 2 (1973) and with the Lunokhod 1 is the only automated mobile laboratories that have explored the Moon guided by remote control
First satellite to orbit Venus and send data back to Earth Venera 9 (1975)
Creation of the coupling mechanism and docking of spacecraft, Androgynous Peripheral Attach System (1975)
Creating space shuttle Buran (1976), which can carry 30 tons (USA model only 25), return flights with load of 20 tons (USA only 15), with a support rate of 6.5 (compared to 5.5 of the USA model), its auxiliary maneuvering system rockets and use oxygen and kerosene fuel instead of solid (like the USA) and gives better performance. Besides the Buran shuttle could make unmanned missions (USA can't), with ejection seats (the USA model does not have) considered the safest and most effective of the history and design more effective and resilient thermal tiles that USA version
Creating the world's most powerful rocket: Energy (1976), capable of carrying 100 tons
First Spaceship supply unmanned, Progress (1978)
First radio telescope (1979)
First woman to walk in space , Svetlana Savitskaja in Salyut 7 (1984)
First shuttle in orbit to Earth independently, Buran (1984)
First multi module space station: Salyut 7 and Kosmos 1686 (TKS-4) (1985)
First crew to visit two space stations, Mir and Salyut 7 (1986) aboard Soyuz T-15
First permanent space station to orbit Earth, Mir (1986)
First crew to spend over a year on Mir, Vladimir Titov and Musa Manarov (1987)



PHYSICS :
First nuclear power plant, Obninsk (1954)
Development of the largest thermonuclear experimental facility in the world, Tokamak 10, prototype of a thermonuclear reactor
Invention of the Tzar Bomba, the most powerful nuclear bomb in history (100 Mt) whose power was reduced for environmental reasons (50-57 Mt). Comparison to USA bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki 15 Mt
Invention of nuclear fusion
Invention of the Tokamak (1956), aiming to provide apparatus fusion plasma particle
Invention of the first nuclear icebreaker "LENIN" world's first nuclear-powered (1952)
Invention of particle accelerator microtron (1944)
Invention synchrotron particle accelerator (1957)
Invention of the electron paramagnetic resonance spectroscopy (1944)
First fast neutron reactor, BN350 (1955)
Creation pipeline longest history, Druzhba (1964)
First nuclear desalination reactor, BN-350 (1972)
First reflectron (1973)
Creating the largest geotechnical probe history, Kola Well (1970)
Creating BARS Press (1989)