How the Economy Changed: There's No Bargains Left Anywhere

[Nomad4Ever]

and blacks are taking notice in many cities.

Democrats have decided that stringing along blacks is no longer profitable

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Ummm.

So for one, illegal immigrants cannot in fact vote. So not sure what you imagine the Democrats are profiting from there.

Seconds, Democrats aren't talking about Black issues because it is profitable. Democrats ARE Black. Black people overwhelmingly run as Democrat candidates. How is that stringing along? Should they be running in the party where it's leader has dinner with open White Supremacists like Nick Fuentes?

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

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[Nomad4Ever]

That’s not correct, where has there been a sustained decline in prices because of immigration? Not in East LA, or Huntington Park, or in Orange County, or In Vancouver Canada

Because South American immigrants can't afford to move into inner cities. Those are the places other people are moving to when immigrants move into their neighborhood.

You were claiming though that America needs the additional 100,000,000 people and yet many countries functionally exist that don’t even have 10 and they’re much nicer then the US

I didn't say we needed it. I said out economy would be better with an additional 100,000,000.

 

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[samiam5211]

You were claiming though that America needs the additional 100,000,000 people and yet many countries functionally exist that don’t even have 10 and they’re much nicer then the US

Some of the countries you are talking about defend on the US military to defend them and the trade routes they depend on.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Some of the countries you are talking about defend on the US military to defend them and the trade routes they depend on.

The US military does not nor has it even engaged in any defensive action on behalf of Luxembourg, or Switzerland, or Norway

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Because South American immigrants can't afford to move into inner cities. Those are the places other people are moving to when immigrants move into their neighborhood.


I didn't say we needed it. I said out economy would be better with an additional 100,000,000.

You mean the 1% is better with an additional 100,000,000

For lower income to lower middle income people it’s all costs. Immigration is the best example of socializing costs and privatizing profit.

You get no benefit, all the benefit is realized by fortune 500s and investors

 

[samiam5211]

The US military does not nor has it even engaged in any defensive action on behalf of Luxembourg, or Switzerland, or Norway

The US military has protected global trade routes for the past 75 years. Every country on Earth has benefitted immensely from the US military.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The US military has protected global trade routes for the past 75 years. Every country on Earth has benefitted immensely from the US military.

Switzerland was rich long before America became an imperial power.

Besides, the America that decided to assume these imperial responsibilities had with a smaller population, much more people in the military, who were more United and more competent. Today we have an incompetent military that has to appeal to diversity and can’t fill its ranks.

So even your argument only points to how immigration has materially made America weaker

 

[Nomad4Ever]

You mean the 1% is better with an additional 100,000,000

For lower income to lower middle income people it’s all costs. Immigration is the best example of socializing costs and privatizing profit.

You get no benefit, all the benefit is realized by fortune 500s and investors

Do you think population decline would improve the life of the average American?

 

[JasperL]

House prices only dropped by a small amount in the 2008 recession, they've gone up like 200% from what they were before that drop happened.

That's not right on a number of levels. Prices dropped from the 2006 peak by about 27%. It took a decade to recover to those prices - 2016. The peak was roughly 184, post 2006 low about 134. Now it's about 310 or so. So, since 2016 prices have gone up about 68%.

S&P CoreLogic Case-Shiller U.S. National Home Price Index

View data of a benchmark of average single-family home prices in the U.S., calculated monthly based on changes in home prices over the prior three months.

fred.stlouisfed.org

 

[samiam5211]

Switzerland was rich long before America became an imperial power.

Besides, the America that decided to assume these imperial responsibilities had with a smaller population, much more people in the military, who were more United and more competent. Today we have an incompetent military that has to appeal to diversity and can’t fill its ranks.

So even your argument only points to how immigration has materially made America weaker

Every country in the world has benefitted immensely from the US Navy protecting global trade routes.

Even Switzerland.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Do you think population decline would improve the life of the average American?

Do you think a population of 2 billion would improve the life of the average American?

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Do you think a population of 2 billion would improve the life of the average American?

Depending on the time frame it increased over? Yes definitely.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Every country in the world has benefitted immensely from the US Navy protecting global trade routes.

Even Switzerland.

Ignoring the obvious plagiarism of Peter Zeihan, global trade pre-existed the end of World War II by about 200 years. The imperial subjugation of North Africa by France and African continent by Britain and France eliminated piracy and allowed global trade by the 1840s

 

[samiam5211]

Ignoring the obvious plagiarism of Peter Zeihan, global trade pre-existed the end of World War II by about 200 years. The imperial subjugation of North Africa by France and African continent by Britain and France eliminated piracy and allowed global trade by the 1840s

Sure, that is the same.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Depending on the time frame it increased over? Yes definitely.

Now, if you asked the average American whether they want to live in a country of 2 billion people what do you think they will say?

Like even now you have to qualify the answer by bringing in time frame. Which means we can just apply that backward and say Americans are not better off from 100,000,000 more people in only 60 years

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Sure, that is the same.

It is. Zeihan acts as though international trade didn’t exist before 1945 and trade happened only within empires, that is not true, and verifiably so. It’s a weak premise to base his ideas of geopolitics on.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Like even now you have to qualify the answer by bringing in time frame. Which means we can just apply that backward and say Americans are not better off from 100,000,000 more people in only 60 years

That doesn't follow at all but ok.

 

[samiam5211]

It is. Zeihan acts as though international trade didn’t exist before 1945 and trade happened only within empires, that is not true, and verifiably so. It’s a weak premise to base his ideas of geopolitics on.

If you think there was free trade in the 1850s, i don't know what to tell you.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

If you think there was free trade in the 1850s, i don't know what to tell you.

There isn’t “free trade” now, and in any trade policies didn’t exist as they did in the 1850s because of lack of security for trade, piracy had already been suppressed, the earliest forms of international law declared piracy a crime of universal jurisdiction (meaning any country could interdict and punish any piracy on the high seas) letters of Marque authorizing privateering had been abolished by the 1850s, etc.

An increase in global trade did not occur because of the United States, Navy, it occurred because of shifting beliefs in economics.

 

[samiam5211]

There isn’t “free trade” now, and in any trade policies didn’t exist as they did in the 1850s because of lack of security for trade, piracy had already been suppressed, the earliest forms of international law declared piracy a crime of universal jurisdiction (meaning any country could interdict and punish any piracy on the high seas) letters of Marque authorizing privateering had been abolished by the 1850s, etc.

An increase in global trade did not occur because of the United States, Navy, it occurred because of shifting beliefs in economics.

Nothing ever happens because of just one thing.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Nothing ever happens because of just one thing.

Well, you better call your boy and tell him that.

 

[samiam5211]

Well, you better call your boy and tell him that.

Who is my boy?