How my powerful prayers defeated Hillary in '16. An absolute miracle!

[Mashmont]

Pedophilia and rape seem to be approved of by their god. That is not someone to be worshipped or obeyed.

Since the vast majority of sexual assaults and rapes are committed by the non-practicing irreligious people, it sounds like the culprit is godlessness aka atheism. So your venom is misdirected. Why are you blaming the relatively small about of practicing Christians for something done by the irreligious?

 

[Logician Man]

Another ridiculous argument the atheists make that I have seen a hundred times. You people must read from the same websites. Here's why it's wrong. Here's an example. I have a daughter I know really well. She is such a creature of habit, that I can predict with 99% accuracy what she will say and do in certain situations. Does this mean I have somehow removed my daughter's free will? No. It just means I know her very well. Now, imagine God who knows everything about us. He knows how things will go. Why would it be implausible for God to bump my percent up one more to 100%? So God allows free will. It's just that he knows what the results will be.

:laughat:

 

[Logician Man]

Since the vast majority of sexual assaults and rapes are committed by the non-practicing irreligious people, it sounds like the culprit is godlessness aka atheism. So your venom is misdirected. Why are you blaming the relatively small about of practicing Christians for something done by the irreligious?

prove this b.s. claim ^^^

 

[Lisa]

Another ridiculous argument the atheists make that I have seen a hundred times. You people must read from the same websites. Here's why it's wrong. Here's an example. I have a daughter I know really well. She is such a creature of habit, that I can predict with 99% accuracy what she will say and do in certain situations. Does this mean I have somehow removed my daughter's free will? No. It just means I know her very well. Now, imagine God who knows everything about us. He knows how things will go. Why would it be implausible for God to bump my percent up to one more to 100%? So God allows free will. It's just that he knows what the results will be.

Logically you cannot have both free will if your god is omniscient. You can attempt to tie yourself in logical knots and deny the obvious as well as to create theistic loopholes but free will is not possible if God has foreknowledge.

Fatalism is the thesis that human acts occur by necessity and hence are unfree. Theological fatalism is the thesis that infallible foreknowledge of a human act makes the act necessary and hence unfree. If there is a being who knows the entire future infallibly, then no human act is free.

Foreknowledge and Free Will (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[Mashmont]

What does this have to do with "god answering your prayers"?

It was in answer to another question. Follow the thread.

 

[Lisa]

Since the vast majority of sexual assaults and rapes are committed by the non-practicing irreligious people, it sounds like the culprit is godlessness aka atheism. So your venom is misdirected. Why are you blaming the relatively small about of practicing Christians for something done by the irreligious?

Are priests, bishops and youth ministers now unbelievers?

 

[Mashmont]

Logically you cannot have both free will if your god is omniscient. You can attempt to tie yourself in logical knots and deny the obvious as well as to create theistic loopholes but free will is not possible if God has foreknowledge.



Foreknowledge and Free Will (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I explain it, and she covers her ears and plows ahead. This is why I get tired of dealing with nonthinkers.

 

[Mashmont]

prove this b.s. claim ^^^

So you think it's church people committing the majority of crimes?

Of course you don't.

 

[Mashmont]

Are priests, bishops and youth ministers now unbelievers?

Do you think the majority of molesters are priests, bishops, and youth ministers?

 

[Mashmont]

OK. I have to go to bed. Trying to educate folks is pretty difficult if they don't want to learn.

 

[Lisa]

Do you think the majority of molesters are priests, bishops, and youth ministers?

Not the majority but why are gods own employees such perverts? Why does the church protect them?

 

[Logician Man]

So you think it's church people committing the majority of crimes?

Of course you don't.

Stop dodging and deflecting. It makes you look silly and desperate. Either 'prove' your B.S. claim , or it goes in the crapper.

 

[Lisa]

OK. I have to go to bed. Trying to educate folks is pretty difficult if they don't want to learn.

My irony meter just exploded.

 

[Logician Man]

My irony meter just exploded.

I thought that was his credibility going up in smoke and flames.

 

[Lisa]

I thought that was his credibility going up in smoke and flames.

That had burned a long, long time ago.

 

[Logician Man]

That had burned a long, long time ago.

Yeah, that comedic and asinine Duggar thread pretty much sealed the deal.

 

[spud_meister]

If I show you things or explain things to you that make you change your mind about something, have I coerced you? Have I violated your free will? God

Yes. Christians believe disobeying God lands them in eternal torture, if God tell them to do something, they have that looming over their apparent choice, and are therefore coerced. Odds are your prayer coerced otherwise moral Christians into voting for a greedy, lusty, prideful adulterer. Who knows what stain that will leave on their souls.

 

[Lisa]

Yeah, that comedic and asinine Duggar thread pretty much sealed the deal.

Most of his threads seem to be the rhetorical equivalent of tossing 5 gallons of gas on a smoldering fire. He just doesn't learn, but you can't look away because you don't want to miss the self-immolation, Then he declares victory and tries to crawl away.

 

[Logician Man]

Most of his threads seem to be the rhetorical equivalent of tossing 5 gallons of gas on a smoldering fire. He just doesn't learn.

One doesn't come in here, start that silly Duggar thread, defend/minimalize/dismiss incestual behavior, and profess with a straight face their personal 'prayers' influenced some undetected/unproven deity to put any particular individual into political power to 'learn' anything. I sense he's just doing some Howard Stern-like shock-jock stuff until others grow weary of the schtick. Certainly not the first to do so....won't be the last.

 

[Lisa]

One doesn't come in here, start that silly Duggar thread, defend/minimalize/dismiss incestual behavior, and profess with a straight face their personal 'prayers' influenced some undetected/unproven deity to put any particular individual into political power to 'learn' anything. I sense he's just doing some Howard Stern-like shock-jock stuff until others grow weary of the schtick. Certainly not the first to do so....won't be the last.

I know 3 people on a previous forum who would swear on a bed of nails that they believed every word of it and they did. I used to think that they were trolling but I discovered that there are some people who are truly living in an alternate reality.

 

[Logician Man]

I know 3 people on a previous forum who would swear on a bed of nails that they believed every word of it and they did. I used to think that they were trolling but I discovered that there are some people who are truly living in an alternate reality.

This may be one of them. We will know soon enough.

 

[Angel]

I have no interest in wasting more time discussing your illogical beliefs. I am not going to create a thread to discuss what is already barely coherent apologetics in the sexuality forum. Your illogical religious views are not worth examing further. Sticking your fingers in your eats and repeating "I believe that God exists" is not a debate or a rational answer.

A very funny post, Ms Lisa. Now don't mention God or religion to me again. Thank you.

 

[Angel]

Really, so you don't think that Trump is more despicable than the rest of us. That says a lot about how you conduct your life then.

Let's see: Trump as we know has been married to 3 different women, all of which married him for money. He by his own admission was not involved in the raising of his own children. He publicly joked about aborting one of them. He has had multiple affairs, including out ****ing pornstars with a newborn baby at home. He has a lifelong history of racism and bigotry. Is a textbook narcissist. So much so that that he is literally used as an example of a personality disorder in psychology classes. He is also a pathological liar, seemingly incapable of being honest about anything.

I have been married to the same woman for 19 years, my first and only wife. We have 3 children, and I was and am heavily involved in their raising and parenting. I am not a racist. I try to be honest in life. I have not had multiple affairs and have not ****ed and paid off pornstars while I had a newborn child at home. I am not perfect, but I am a hell of a lot better husband, father, and person than Trump is.

Obama wasn't perfect either, but he was a devoted father, a good husband and tried to be a good person. Bush was not perfect, but he was a devoted father, a good husband, and tried to be a good person. Even Clinton, with his history of rampant infidelity, was a at least a devoted father.

Point being that if you think Trump is "no more despicable than the rest of us", that is a pretty solid indictment of you as a person, because most people endeavor to be a hell of a lot better husband, father, and person than Donald Trump.

Your holier than thou attitude smacks of old New England Puritanism. Okay, so you don't like Trump. We get it. God bless and keep you and your lovely family.
It's been real.
Peace out.

 

[Mashmont]

Not the majority but why are gods own employees such perverts? Why does the church protect them?

So you admit these wayward gay priests are in the minority. Why do you focus on just them? Homophobia?

 

[vegas giants]

There are bad people in every organization. Humans are fallible. But the few gay priests who violated their vows commit no more molestations than any in organization or group. Why do you focus solely on their relatively small number comparied to the vast majority of irreligious who sexually assault?

A few?????? Holy cow!!!!!