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Historians Say 11 Presidents Were Better Than Obama

countryboy said:
History is my case. Which makes this even more ironic. Look up the numbers, GDP, interest rates, unemployment. But you already knew that. Libs tend to make judgments based on people's intentions, rather than thier actual accomplishments.
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I guess FDR, Truman, and Eisenhower must be your favourites then.
 
countryboy said:
History is my case. Which makes this even more ironic. Look up the numbers, GDP, interest rates, unemployment. But you already knew that. Libs tend to make judgments based on people's intentions, rather than thier actual accomplishments.
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still no 'case'
just another rant about 'libs'
 
Moderate Right said:
The left is going to squirm a lot in seeing that Reagan was rated a better president than Obama. My opinion is that as time goes by Obama will drop to the high middle of the pack.
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I agree that Reagan was better than Obama.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left is going to squirm a lot in seeing that Reagan was rated a better president than Obama. My opinion is that as time goes by Obama will drop to the high middle of the pack.
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Well I would personally call places 11-22 high middle of the pack. There are 44 past presidents so 44*0.25 = 11, if you want to divide it into quarters.
 
joG said:
Thoughts? If he was numero 11? It is depressing to think how lousy our Presidents must have been.
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Well if you want to possibly see why:


You have to remember there are a lot of presidents I am sure no one ever remembers.
 
washunut said:
What did Truman give us? Dropping the A- bomb on cities and the Korean war. Not high on my list of America's greatest moments.
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Gee you don't think saving South Korea from being ruled by the Kim family and their flunkies is a good thing?

Or that saving in all likelyhood millions of lives by preventing a conventional ground invasion of Japan is a good thing?
 
rocket88 said:
Historians Say 11 Presidents Were Better Than Obama



Thoughts?
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That's pretty good. I would've thought higher, but he's in good company. I would've guessed Abe Lincoln #1, and George Washington #2. I would've guessed FDR to be near the top, which he is. It's possible Obama will go up (or down) a notch or two over the years. It takes perspective to judge accurately. Pretty good, though, esp considering the difficult economy and world affairs that he inherited.

Note that most other Presidents were less highly regarded.

Here's the full list:

President's Name-2017 Final Scores-Overall Rankings
2017 2009 2000
Abraham Lincoln 906 1 1 1
George Washington 867 2 2 3
Franklin D. Roosevelt 854 3 3 2
Theodore Roosevelt 807 4 4 4
Dwight D. Eisenhower 744 5 8 9
Harry S. Truman 737 6 5 5
Thomas Jefferson 727 7 7 7
John F. Kennedy 722 8 6 8
Ronald Reagan 691 9 10 11
Lyndon Baines Johnson 686 10 11 10
Woodrow Wilson 683 11 9 6
Barack Obama 668 12 NA NA
James Monroe 645 13 14 14
James K. Polk 637 14 12 12
Bill Clinton 633 15 15 21
William McKinley Jr. 626 16 16 15
James Madison 610 17 20 18
Andrew Jackson 609 18 13 13
John Adams 603 19 17 16
George H. W. Bush 596 20 18 20
John Quincy Adams 589 21 19 19
Ulysses S. Grant 556 22 23 33
Grover Cleveland 540 23 21 17
William H. Taft 528 24 24 24
Gerald R. Ford Jr. 509 25 22 23
Jimmy Carter 506 26 25 22
Calvin Coolidge 505 27 26 27
Richard M. Nixon 486 28 27 25
James A. Garfield 481 29 28 29
Benjamin Harrison 461 30 30 31
Zachary Taylor 458 31 29 28
Rutherford B. Hayes 458 32 33 26
George W. Bush 455 33 36 NA
Martin Van Buren 450 34 31 30
Chester Arthur 446 35 32 32
Herbert Hoover 416 36 34 34
Millard Fillmore 393 37 37 35
William Henry Harrison 383 38 39 37
John Tyler 372 39 35 36
Warren G. Harding 360 40 38 38
Franklin Pierce 315 41 40 39
Andrew Johnson 275 42 41 40
James Buchanan 245 43 42 41
 
Tigerace117 said:
Hoe exactly did FDR "attack his own citizens"?

I know you hate Lincoln for crushing the Confederacy and humiliating your secessionist pipe dream, but what did FDR do that was so heinous?
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Are you not aware that on February 19th, 1942 FDR signed an executive order to round up and inter Japanese Americans?

I wonder if Trump would be seen as one of the top 5 presidents if he rounded up and interred Muslims or Mexicans?
 
rocket88 said:
Historians Say 11 Presidents Were Better Than Obama



Thoughts?
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First thought is that it would have been more appropriate to say a small sampling of historians rather than historians as if it was more inclusive.

This list is like a lot of sports greatest players. That is it is filled with mostly relatively modern names with a few exceptions of Presidents we all know.

Overall I would like to see a list that includes some type of accomplishments, strengths and weaknesses to back up their viewpoints.
 
washunut said:
First thought is that it would have been more appropriate to say a small sampling of historians rather than historians as if it was more inclusive.

This list is like a lot of sports greatest players. That is it is filled with mostly relatively modern names with a few exceptions of Presidents we all know.

Overall I would like to see a list that includes some type of accomplishments, strengths and weaknesses to back up their viewpoints.
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Well if go to the C-SPAN link in the story it actually provides a breakdown of their scores.

They were scored based on:
Public Persuasion
Crisis Leadership
Economic Management
Moral Authority
International Relations
Administrative Skills
Relations with Congress
Vision / Setting an Agenda
Pursued Equal Justice For All
Performance Within Context of Times
 
Carjosse said:
Well if go to the C-SPAN link in the story it actually provides a breakdown of their scores.

They were scored based on:
Public Persuasion
Crisis Leadership
Economic Management
Moral Authority
International Relations
Administrative Skills
Relations with Congress
Vision / Setting an Agenda
Pursued Equal Justice For All
Performance Within Context of Times
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Thanks I looked at the link. It seems that not all the folks are historians there are actually some journalists. Some of the historians are not from prominent schools, not sure what that means. Also the categories have widely different values IMO but they all get the same weight, not good. For example Obama gets his best grade in the Moral Authority section. Partisans on either side would have widely different views.

All that aside any grade of his historical significance is much to soon to be graded.
 
JumpinJack said:
That's pretty good. I would've thought higher, but he's in good company. I would've guessed Abe Lincoln #1, and George Washington #2. I would've guessed FDR to be near the top, which he is. It's possible Obama will go up (or down) a notch or two over the years. It takes perspective to judge accurately. Pretty good, though, esp considering the difficult economy and world affairs that he inherited.

Note that most other Presidents were less highly regarded.

Here's the full list:

President's Name-2017 Final Scores-Overall Rankings
2017 2009 2000
Abraham Lincoln 906 1 1 1
George Washington 867 2 2 3
Franklin D. Roosevelt 854 3 3 2
Theodore Roosevelt 807 4 4 4
Dwight D. Eisenhower 744 5 8 9
Harry S. Truman 737 6 5 5
Thomas Jefferson 727 7 7 7
John F. Kennedy 722 8 6 8
Ronald Reagan 691 9 10 11
Lyndon Baines Johnson 686 10 11 10
Woodrow Wilson 683 11 9 6
Barack Obama 668 12 NA NA
James Monroe 645 13 14 14
James K. Polk 637 14 12 12
Bill Clinton 633 15 15 21
William McKinley Jr. 626 16 16 15
James Madison 610 17 20 18
Andrew Jackson 609 18 13 13
John Adams 603 19 17 16
George H. W. Bush 596 20 18 20
John Quincy Adams 589 21 19 19
Ulysses S. Grant 556 22 23 33
Grover Cleveland 540 23 21 17
William H. Taft 528 24 24 24
Gerald R. Ford Jr. 509 25 22 23
Jimmy Carter 506 26 25 22
Calvin Coolidge 505 27 26 27
Richard M. Nixon 486 28 27 25
James A. Garfield 481 29 28 29
Benjamin Harrison 461 30 30 31
Zachary Taylor 458 31 29 28
Rutherford B. Hayes 458 32 33 26
George W. Bush 455 33 36 NA
Martin Van Buren 450 34 31 30
Chester Arthur 446 35 32 32
Herbert Hoover 416 36 34 34
Millard Fillmore 393 37 37 35
William Henry Harrison 383 38 39 37
John Tyler 372 39 35 36
Warren G. Harding 360 40 38 38
Franklin Pierce 315 41 40 39
Andrew Johnson 275 42 41 40
James Buchanan 245 43 42 41
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Any poll that has LBJ in the top 40 let alone the top ten should be dismissed out of hand. Plus Kennedy shouldn't be up there either. As for Obama, its too early to tell, but I see no reason for him to rank above Bill Clinton
 
washunut said:
Thanks I looked at the link. It seems that not all the folks are historians there are actually some journalists. Some of the historians are not from prominent schools, not sure what that means. Also the categories have widely different values IMO but they all get the same weight, not good. For example Obama gets his best grade in the Moral Authority section. Partisans on either side would have widely different views.

All that aside any grade of his historical significance is much to soon to be graded.
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One thing to take into consideration is that these seem to generally line up with scores from historical polls from past years and decades, pretty much the Top 15 and bottom 15 are always the same just moved around a bit.
 
joG said:
Thoughts? If he was numero 11? It is depressing to think how lousy our Presidents must have been.
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He's actually number 12. But there have been some really bad ones.
 
Lutherf said:
Are you not aware that on February 19th, 1942 FDR signed an executive order to round up and inter Japanese Americans?

I wonder if Trump would be seen as one of the top 5 presidents if he rounded up and interred Muslims or Mexicans?
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Not to mention that Obama already owns the title of "Deporter in Chief". But I guess that doesn't bother the left, only Trump.
 
Why am I not surprised that the wingnuts are throwing a tantrum in this thread because Obummer isn't worst preznit evar?
 
Kobie said:
Why am I not surprised that the wingnuts are throwing a tantrum in this thread because Obummer isn't worst preznit evar?
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You are right about that. People who consider Obama the worst in history are probably a bit nutty. But nowhere near as nutty as the wing nuts already casting Trump as the worst ever one month into his presidency
 
Kobie said:
Why am I not surprised that the wingnuts are throwing a tantrum in this thread because Obummer isn't worst preznit evar?
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Ummm. So, you agree that Reagan was a better president than Obama? Notice I didn't make a racist comment by calling him Obummer like you did. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
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