Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

[jakiejakester]

The jury is still out on the two drugs.

Head to Head: Is Chloroquine or Remdesivir the Drug to Treat Coronavirus? | The National Interest

Remdesivir has shown to reduce the time Covid patients are hospitalized by 4-7 days while reducing the death rate. Chloroquine has shown squat. I realize that you're brain washed by Trump so anything he says you believe but the science is almost without exception pro Remdesivir. Hospitals all over the country are using Remdesivir and none are using Chloroquine. What does that test you? Do you have a conspiracy theory for this? One other thing your link is from early May...a lifetime ago in Covid world and it' not a medical site. It's a far right wing BS site.

BTW - I noticed that you dropped your bogus claim about Dr. Fauci and Remdesivir.

How come you only believe conspiracy BS and you never believe the science? It's laughable.

 

[jaeger19]

You still don't know what you don't know. Here is some more you obviously did not know:

House Report 105-416 - DISMISSING THE ELECTION CONTEST AGAINST LORETTA SANCHEZ

The Committee detailed egregious violations of the state
election laws to support its conclusion including: (1) stolen
ballots; (2) improperly constituted board of election
inspectors; (3) persons voting multiple times; (4)
electioneering too close to the polls; (5) unsworn persons
handling ballots; (6) intimidation of poll workers; (7)
drunkenness by the head of the board of election inspectors;
(8) inspectors with knowledge of stolen ballots failing to
report such illegalities; and (9) torn, erased, and mutilated
ballots. ...


Information gathered at this Field Hearing indicated that
the Immigration and Naturalization Service was unwilling to
assist either the Contestant or the Secretary of State Bill
Jones in determining if non-citizens voted in the 1996
election.\79\ ...


The Majority analysis began with a shotgun approach,
sweeping into its ``suspect voter'' category over 500,000
registrant name matches. The Majority attempted to refine . ...


number by including only 46th Congressional District registrant
names to be matched with INS files. This resulted in 136,000
matching names, which is more ``suspect voters'' than actual
voters in the 46th Congressional election in 1996. This again
suggests that the foundation upon which the Majority analysis
proceeded was fundamentally flawed. ...


9th--The California Secretary of State announced that an
INS analysis of 1,100 persons enrolled in Hermandad citizenship
classes had discovered 490 documented non-citizens who
registered to vote in CA 46. Of these, 303 actually voted
illegally in CA 46, and 69 individuals had no record in INS
files. ...


dismissal of the cases of Hendon v. Clarke in 1983 and Hansen
v. Stallings in 1985 where persuasive allegations of irregular
vote countings were plead properly.29 ...


Similarly, in Farr v. McLane 98 the Committee
addressed an election contest containing a wide range of
violations including: (1) unregistered voters casting ballots;
(2) names appearing on the voted tape for persons who had not
cast ballots; (3) individuals voting who were minors or had not
paid the mandatory poll tax; and (4) the placement of
fraudulent ballots in the ballot box. The Committee found that
for the majority of the 1,006 illegal votes, there was no way
to determine for which candidate the votes were cast. It
determined that in the districts in which there was conclusive
evidence of fraud on the part of the election officials,
precedent justified rejecting the entire vote of these
precincts. The Committee emphasized that in these precincts not
only had persons been permitted to vote who had not registered,
but there was evidence of other fraud and collusion on the part
of election officials. ...

Nice.. again.. the question is not whether fraud exists. It does. People go to vote.. who don;t know they are ineligible etc.. its a question of whether voter fraud is any significantly impacted federal elections.

And all available research has pointed to the fact that no.. there is no credible evidence that voter fraud is a problem.

 

[jaeger19]

Fauci favored the crappy China vaccine before it had even been tested in the US and publicly denounced HCQ in spite of its decades of proven effectiveness. Fauci had personal ties to those who developed the very expensive China vaccine which has never been proven effective to this day, even though it is in full production in China. These crooks are in it for the money and they don't give a damn how many tens of thousands of people will end up dying because of their greed.

Lets see.. okay.. show me were Fauci has been touting a "crappy Chinese vaccine"... especially when he has been talking about a vaccine being DEVELOPED for covid 19. So you show me where he has been touting the US taking this vaccine. Cuz.. I haven;t seen that.

Then show me where HCQ has "decades of effectiveness".. against Covid 19... especially when Covid 19 came out in well 2019... so you explain to me how HCQ has "decades of effectiveness".. against a virus that didn;t exist 2 years ago. Much less decades ago.

Honestly man.. you seem to be making stuff up as you go.

 

[Lursa]

I misspoke. And pointing out that only healthy children won't be adversely affected by Covid is incorrect. What I should've posted was: No child without the comorbidities of having immune deficiencies or respiratory problems will be adversely affected by Covid. That means the child can be sick with Covid but not be adversely affected by Covid unless they have respiratory or immune problems. That's the science.

Yes, you've mispoken again and again and again. You dont get to invent the definition for the word 'adverse.' Being sick IS being adversely affected. :doh

Adverse: having a negative or harmful effect on something.
ADVERSE | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary​

And they've even found a longer-term syndrome that it causes in kids.

Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) and COVID-19 - Mayo Clinic

Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) is a serious condition in which some parts of the body — such as the heart, blood vessels, kidneys, digestive system, brain, skin or eyes — become inflamed. Inflammation typically includes swelling, often with redness and pain.

This is verbatim from your own source:

COVID-19 in children is usually mild, deaths rare, study says

"The majority of the children studied were likely infected by their parents. Most of the children did not have any underlying medical conditions, but of those who did the most common underlying condition was pulmonary disease, such as asthma. If you didn't know, respiratory problems in anyone of any age is one comorbidity (an accompanying illness that helps to trigger the destructive nature of Covid). The other comorbidity to Covid would be anyone of any age that had immune problems, BTW."


And here's a sad example here in the US (it actually refers to 4 other cases of minor's deaths too):

Nine-year-old girl is the youngest to die from coronavirus in Florida - CNN

A 9-year-old girl from Putnam County is the youngest person to have died in Florida from coronavirus complications, according to the state department of health.

Putnam County Health Officer Mary Garcia confirmed the fatality to CNN on Wednesday and said she was unaware of any underlying medical conditions in the girl's case. According to the latest health records, the 9-year-old is the fifth minor in Florida to die from Covid-19.

So here we have multiple sources showing you're wrong and many examples of sick, even dying minors. And all sickness and death was not related to underlying conditions. Where is your *current* research that shows differently?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Dacke]

You want there to be no mitigation? No plan? Just let people take care of themselves?

I know right, the utter shock and controversy in suggesting adults can- and should be allowed to take care of themselves and make their own decisions (gasp). :afraid:

That's TRUMP and it's been a nightmare.

Are you using the NYP as blinders while you are watching CNN or what? Trump introduced shutdowns and has been an absolute disaster as far as dealing with COVID goes.

What we really need is a FEDERAL plan that every state has to follow and it does start with a new lockdown to contain the virus so that after 4-6 weeks the infection rate nationally goes down enough to use contact tracing so when there is a cluster of new cases the contract tracing can alert those around the outbreak and can get tested and quarantine. Anything less than that won't work...look at the hell the country is in now.

So, let me get this sraight; You do not like or trust Trump. but you are prepared to pull down your pants and bend over for him to do it to you from behind?

Must suck to see the world as a place where everyone is too stupid to take care of themselves and need the government experts to tell them what do as if they were dogs.

What is needed is as little federal involvement as possible and instead let each individual and each business introduce whatever measures they themselves see as necessary.

The virus is here to stay for a long time. We will not get rid of it and introducing lockdowns upon openings upon lockdowns is not a sustainable or very rational way of dealing with it.

Be an adult!

 

[jaeger19]

I know right, the utter shock and controversy in suggesting adults can- and should be allowed to take care of themselves and make their own decisions (gasp). :afraid:



Are you using the NYP as blinders while you are watching CNN or what? Trump introduced shutdowns and has been an absolute disaster as far as dealing with COVID goes.


So, let me get this sraight; You do not like or trust Trump. but you are prepared to pull down your pants and bend over for him to do it to you from behind?

Must suck to see the world as a place where everyone is too stupid to take care of themselves and need the government experts to tell them what do as if they were dogs.

What is needed is as little federal involvement as possible and instead let each individual and each business introduce whatever measures they themselves see as necessary.

The virus is here to stay for a long time. We will not get rid of it and introducing lockdowns upon openings upon lockdowns is not a sustainable or very rational way of dealing with it.

Be an adult!

Problem with your theory.. is that you can be an adult as much as you want. If the others around you.. act irresponsibly.. you are the one that can catch covid and die.

OR you could have a non covid medical problem...like maybe an accident... and because your hospital system is overrun with covid cases.. it doesn;t have the resources to treat you.. so you end up dying or having a much worse outcome.

 

[Lursa]

We have irrefutable evidence from Covid data for the last 6 1/2 months that says kids don't get nor transmit Covid. Follow the science.

I misspoke. And pointing out that only healthy children won't be adversely affected by Covid is incorrect. What I should've posted was: No child without the comorbidities of having immune deficiencies or respiratory problems will be adversely affected by Covid. That means the child can be sick with Covid but not be adversely affected by Covid unless they have respiratory or immune problems. That's the science.

Nope. Still wrong. Neither of these camps and certainly not the staff were focused on people with 'comorbidities.'

Similar to the Michigan summer camp where 82 were infected with CV19:

Georgia sleepaway camp's Covid-19 outbreak is a warning for what could happen when schools reopen, CDC says - CNN

The Georgia Department of Health was notified and began its investigation the day after the first teenage staffer fell ill. All in all, test results were available for 344 (58%) of the 597 attendees from Georgia; among these, 260 (76%) were positive. At least 44% -- 260 of 597 -- got infected, although the researchers say not everyone was tested so the rate could be even higher. The 27 out-of-state attendees were not counted in this preliminary analysis.

"These findings demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 spread efficiently in a youth-centric overnight setting, resulting in high attack rates among persons in all age groups, despite efforts by camp officials to implement most recommended strategies to prevent transmission," the study authors wrote.

Do you still stand by your claim that healthy kids dont get or spread CV19? (and since we now have much more recent confirmation of the fact that they do, please dont post old studies)

post 1579 for reference and more examples.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[JacksinPA]

It is not known if herd immunity works with the coronavirus. See Are you immune to the coronavirus disease after recovering from it?
The immune response, including duration of immunity, to SARS-CoV-2 infection is not yet understood. (Google search result)

 

[Drawdown]

Seriously the next stimulus should be delivered to everybody at once and everything but the funeral home and hospitals should be shut down. "Here's your money. Stock up. In 2 weeks we are closing every effing thing for two to three weeks."

 

[marke]

Nice.. again.. the question is not whether fraud exists. It does. People go to vote.. who don;t know they are ineligible etc.. its a question of whether voter fraud is any significantly impacted federal elections.

And all available research has pointed to the fact that no.. there is no credible evidence that voter fraud is a problem.

Voter rolls contain the names of millions of ineligible voters. Democrats intend to send ballots to all registered voters, whether eligible to vote or not, including millions who are ineligible to vote. We know from past history that people will fill out blank ballots and send them in illegally. The potential for fraud is massive.

 

[snakestretcher]

Voter rolls contain the names of millions of ineligible voters. Democrats intend to send ballots to all registered voters, whether eligible to vote or not, including millions who are ineligible to vote. We know from past history that people will fill out blank ballots and send them in illegally. The potential for fraud is massive.

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Except that there have only been a tiny handful of fraudulent votes found to have been cast, even after extensive investigation (including conservatives, by the way). But of course for a mind addled by conspiratorial stupidity, nothing is true.

Trump's Latest Voter Fraud Misinformation - FactCheck.org

Low rates of fraud in vote-by-mail states show the benefits outweigh the risks

Trump even went so far as to disband the Voter Fraud Commission. Any idea why?

Trump Disbands Commission on Voter Fraud - The New York Times

You don't live in the real world, so all of the above is a conspiracy to you.

 

[marke]

Except that there have only been a tiny handful of fraudulent votes found to have been cast, even after extensive investigation (including conservatives, by the way). But of course for a mind addled by conspiratorial stupidity, nothing is true.

Trump's Latest Voter Fraud Misinformation - FactCheck.org

Low rates of fraud in vote-by-mail states show the benefits outweigh the risks

Trump even went so far as to disband the Voter Fraud Commission. Any idea why?

Trump Disbands Commission on Voter Fraud - The New York Times

You don't live in the real world, so all of the above is a conspiracy to you.

Democrats do know how to lie and obstruct investigations in order to hide their theft of elections through voter fraud.

 

[snakestretcher]

Democrats do know how to lie and obstruct investigations in order to hide their theft of elections through voter fraud.

What is wrong with you? Is everything a conspiracy as far as you're concerned? You have no evidence of widespread voter fraud, just your ridiculous conspiracies. What next, Biden is one of the lizard people? David Icke is missing you.

 

[marke]

What is wrong with you? Is everything a conspiracy as far as you're concerned? You have no evidence of widespread voter fraud, just your ridiculous conspiracies. What next, Biden is one of the lizard people? David Icke is missing you.

I have hundreds of evidences of massive democrat voter fraud and you obviously don't. You have my condolences.

Vote Fraud “Likely Gone on Here for Years” in Alabama - Republican National Lawyers Association - Newsome loses election and is convicted of voter fraud.