Have you ever regretted your vote for a US president?

[MrWonka]

What Constitutional crisis?

The one where a criminal president being blackmailed by Russia is currently in charge of nominating Judges to our nations highest court, and the people in charge of impeaching him won't do it because they know it will bring about the collapse of their own political party.

 

[cabse5]

The one where a criminal president being blackmailed by Russia is currently in charge of nominating Judges to our nations highest court, and the people in charge of impeaching him won't do it because they know it will bring about the collapse of their own political party.

How a criminal president? How being blackmailed? You really have no facts, do you?

 

[cabse5]

My opinion at the time was that I wanted the US to stay out of it, which is well documented on this site. Do I support the orange cult leader being beholden and subservient to Putin? Definitely not.

Why do you think the orange one is beholden to Putin?

 

[Linc]

Simply pointing out how ridiculous it is to argue that Trump is conservative.

There’s a small business in rural Columbus Junction, Iowa with superior anti-insect products known as ‘Bug Soother’. The spray lasts for a good 90 minutes against gnats and other flying pests that bite, thick on farms.

Go to a soybean field with a paper sack under the plant and shake the plant. Then you’ll know why insecticide is used. It’s my last mission and passion to help save my family farmers against the gop big boys.

The latest ‘Bug Soother’ product takes out mosquitoes, which are now wild with a lot of rain. I’m looking at that investment also. Farming is fun when you get it. I’m already missing it today back home.

 

[Lovebug]

Then you are the cause of your own dumb problem. By making yourself irrelevant you give neither side a reason to pursue you.

You're like the new coke of politics. Why should I change my recipe to attract you? You're not drinking Pepsi either so I'm not losing market share.

So what you are saying is that, because I didn't vote for Hillary, it is my fault Trump got in. Ok, may be you have a point. Had Bernie (anyone but Hillary) garnered the nomination, Trump wouldn't have won either. Choice, as in making a decision I can live with, must not be confused with having to select dreadful or atrocious.

 

[jimbo]

We don't expect you to be a Dem or vote Dem. We expect you to put pressure on Trump. His election was won due to a hardcore base. He panders to that hardcore base. He has pretty much locked in his political strategy to keeping that base happy. When he acts in an inappropriate manner...call him out on it. Make him act like he should act. At the moment he does practically anything he wants and his base/conservatives will bend over backwards to provide cover or validate his actions.

The only reason he claimed to of misspoke in the Putin conference was because of his political allies saying he'd gone to far. If it was just the regular media he would of just ignored the criticism and tell his base it's that "fake news" up to no good again.

Why would I put pressure on President Trump? He did win not due to a hardcore base. He didn't have a base. People took a look at the rest of the candidates and decided that he was the lesser of 20 evils, or better than the 20 evils. Either way, I don't regret my vote.

 

[Ikari]

Actually the bombers were primarily from Arab countries, mostly Saudi.

Yes, well Saudi Arabia is our friend, and well....we had to bomb someone.

 

[Helix]

Why do you think the orange one is beholden to Putin?

It's intuitively obvious to the casual observer. Nothing but praise for him since day one, and he stands there next to him parroting the Russian talking points that we know are false. Trump doesn't kiss anyone's ass like that. Putin has something on him. We'll find out what that is soon enough I think, so you'll have something to look forward to there.

 

[Lovebug]

Why would I put pressure on President Trump? He did win not due to a hardcore base. He didn't have a base. People took a look at the rest of the candidates and decided that he was the lesser of 20 evils, or better than the 20 evils. Either way, I don't regret my vote.

Constructive criticism can be very beneficial. But that is not what we see, hear, read. It is insults and hysteria that makes most of us draw lines in the sand. That is not new, because we have seen the same during the Obama years. One side reports half truths and misinterpretation of events, the other side has no choice but to defend.
If we would pause for a minute and reflected on actual happenings, listened to experts instead of professional partisan opiners, we could actually start a productive conversation.

 

[Ikari]

Too bad you guys don't understand basic Game Theory. Not only would you realize that voting Democrat is the best way to bring about the rise of the Libertarian party, but maybe just maybe you'd realize how naive the Libertarian party is in general.

Do yourself a favor. Learn what a Nash Equilibrium is.

How is voting for the OneParty Oligarchy the best way to bring rise to the Libertarian Party?

 

[calamity]

Then you are the cause of your own dumb problem. By making yourself irrelevant you give neither side a reason to pursue you.

You're like the new coke of politics. Why should I change my recipe to attract you? You're not drinking Pepsi either so I'm not losing market share.

Voting your conscience is always preferred over voting for Party.

 

[Lovebug]

It's intuitively obvious to the casual observer. Nothing but praise for him since day one, and he stands there next to him parroting the Russian talking points that we know are false. Trump doesn't kiss anyone's ass like that. Putin has something on him. We'll find out what that is soon enough I think, so you'll have something to look forward to there.

Casually observing or looklng for evidence to support the verdict.

 

[calamity]

So what you are saying is that, because I didn't vote for Hillary, it is my fault Trump got in. Ok, may be you have a point. Had Bernie (anyone but Hillary) garnered the nomination, Trump wouldn't have won either. Choice, as in making a decision I can live with, must not be confused with having to select dreadful or atrocious.

I do not agree with you very often, but in this instance I agree with you completely.

 

[MrWonka]

How a criminal president? How being blackmailed? You really have no facts, do you?

This doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduce bro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstruction_of_justice

Obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, is the crime of obstructing prosecutors or other (usually government) officials. Common law jurisdictions other than the United States tend to use the wider offense of perverting the course of justice.

Obstruction also applies to overt coercion of court or government officials via the means of threats or actual physical harm and also applying to deliberate sedition against a court official to undermine the appearance of legitimate authority.

Trump is already very obviously guilty of this.

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There have already been numerous members of Trump's campaign staff that have been indicted, not to mention a number of guilty pleas. If you seriously think that all these crooks are acting independently and that Trump had no idea what they were doing you're ****ing delusional.

In detective work, there is a saying called "To whom benefits." It's a simple reality that if you want to know who is guilty of a crime look to see who would benefit the most from that crime. We know that the DNC was hacked. We know it was Russia that did it. We know that benefitted Trump's campaign. We know that members of Trump's campaign were in contact with the Russians. We know that Trump is desperately trying to delegitimize the investigation. We know that Trump and Putin had a one on one private meeting. We know that Trump betrayed his country immediately following it, and took Putin's side.

If you seriously think Trump is clean you're living in an alternate reality.

 

[Helix]

Casually observing or looklng for evidence to support the verdict.

Like I said, that will follow. You have to admit that the Putin thing is very odd. I'll be very surprised if there isn't a rest of the story.

 

[Mithros]

Bush in 2000. He ran on a platform of fiscal responsibility and diplomatic centric foreign policy. Instead he forced through the unfunded Bush Tax Cuts, created a false narrative for a disastrous unilateral war, and added Medicare Part D in the most expensive way possible.

Before 2002 I was a solid Republican: 2004 was the first time I voted for a Democrat.

 

[Waddy]

Jimmy Carter, GW Bush and Barack Obama.

 

[calamity]

It's intuitively obvious to the casual observer. Nothing but praise for him since day one, and he stands there next to him parroting the Russian talking points that we know are false. Trump doesn't kiss anyone's ass like that. Putin has something on him. We'll find out what that is soon enough I think, so you'll have something to look forward to there.

Well, I guess, there is always this option to consider.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-putin-theory-mike-rounds_us_5b4e49e7e4b0de86f4879ecd

“The president just looked right back at [Putin] and with the same straight face... basically sent a message: ’If you can sit here and tell me that with a straight face and that’s what it takes it to move forward in other negotiations, I most certainly can match you on this, and in fact I can stand here and say, ‘Of course you didn’t do it,’ even though we all know that [you did],’” Sen. Mike Rounds of South Dakota told reporters at the Capitol on Tuesday.


“The reality is,” Rounds continued, expounding on his theory of Trump as a fourth-dimensional chess master, “‘I know you did it, you know you did it, and you know that I know that you did it.’ So to me, Mr. Putin tried to tell the whopper with a straight face and President Trump basically laid out, ‘You wanna play that game? Fine. I can do the same thing because we all know you did.’”

Now that is a winning talking point.

 

[Stymie_X]

First time I voted, voted for Carter. That was a horrible mistake, obviously.

 

[KevinKohler]

I voted for Obama the first time, epic mistake. Turned out, he was just like all the rest.

 

[MrWonka]

Voting your conscience is always preferred over voting for Party.

So your conscience told you to vote for Trump? He ripped 3000 children away from their mothers, locked them in cages, and drugged them to get them to stop crying.

In the year and a half that Mueller has been investigating Trump's campaign, he's filed close to 30 separate indictments. Flynn has already pleaded guilty, and Trump's campaign manager is in jail awaiting Trial.

In the 4+ years that Republicans spent investigating Hillary for Bengazhi, and the supposed email "scandal." They couldn't come up with one single solitary charge to file against her. Republicans have accused Hillary of virtually every single solitary crime that we have a law for over the last three decades, and yet have not been able to put together a single shred of evidence that would allow them to actually prove it in court.

There is a very good chance that Donald Trump is being blackmailed by Putin who has evidence against Trump that will put him in prison for the rest of his life, and he's about to name his second Judge to our nations highest court with a lifetime appointment.

How's that conscience of yours doing? Is it still clear?

America is no longer the leader of the free world. If you didn't vote for Hillary Clinton you are responsible for that. If you voted your conscience then it's time to accept the possibility that your conscience is kind of stupid.

 

[MrWonka]

First time I voted, voted for Carter. That was a horrible mistake, obviously.

Why? Because an oil crisis he had no control over, and a hostage situation developed as a result of blowback from decisions made by previous Republican administrations?

 

[cabse5]

It's intuitively obvious to the casual observer. Nothing but praise for him since day one, and he stands there next to him parroting the Russian talking points that we know are false. Trump doesn't kiss anyone's ass like that. Putin has something on him. We'll find out what that is soon enough I think, so you'll have something to look forward to there.

Maybe Russia can help with the Syria mess? The Middle East mess? The Ukraine mess? The Iranian mess?

Oh, I guess not. Let's just give them the middle finger.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot, other than the US, Russia has the most nuclear weapons. Nah, we've got no reason to negotiate with Russia....

 

[Linc]

Well, I guess, there is always this option to consider.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-putin-theory-mike-rounds_us_5b4e49e7e4b0de86f4879ecd

Now that is a winning talking point.

This is now Moscow Mitch McConnellism’s Moscow DC on the Potomac, where only readouts from the Indicted Russian Military are allowed out to the American public from this Constitutional Crisis of an admin.

These are the same gops who appeased and sided with Hitler in the 1930s, almost destroying the England I was born in on a USAF Base. Everyone knows the settled history of the traitorous gop, whether it be 1968, 1980, 2000, and now 2016.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I was 10 yrs old in 2000, just curious what was it about Gore back then that turned people off.

Someone once said that Algore had the personality of a cigar store Indian. It seemed close to the mark.