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Gun control sure works NOT

To the best of my knowledge Japan always had a gun ban, or at least they have for as long as guns have been around.
Japan has always had strict laws but like all 'bans' it isnt really a 'ban'. You can be licensed to own guns and to hunt. The major change came about in 58 when they had an increasing problem with gang activity. The law in 1958 called for strict penalties against those using guns AND swords illegally.
 
And the people he kills would most likely be other gangbangers, so he's doing us a favor, although he would be doing us a bigger favor if he did kill 5 instead of 2.

Maybe your logic is what we need to embrace. Like the guy that went into the black church in South Carolina and gunned people down. He needs to be shooting people that think like himself instead (the hate filled future murderers).
 
"According to data compiled by Mother Jones magazine, which looked at mass shootings in the United States since 1982, white people -- almost exclusively white men -- committed some 64% of the shootings.
The examples are infamous. Roof and the Charleston church massacre. Lanza and the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Holmes and the slaughter inside an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater.
Black people committed close to 16% of the mass shooting Mother Jones looked at, while Asians were responsible for around 9%. People identified as either Latino, Native American and unknown rounded out the study.

"If you look at the whole list, it turns out that whites and blacks are pretty proportionate to their population, very close," said Dave Cullen, author of the book "Columbine," which tells the story of the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado. Harris and Klebold, the shooters there, were white.
Historically, Latinos and Asians have been the exception. The Virginia Tech massacre was carried out by Seung-Hui Cho, who was born in South Korea. "Latinos are almost nowhere to be seen," Cullen told CNN's "New Day." "Asians continue to be heavily overrepresented -- more than 2½ times their size in the population."
Whites make up about 63% of the U.S. population, blacks 13%, and Asians 5%, according to the latest census numbers. Latinos account for some 17% of the total population."

Imagine that. White males commit 64% of the mass shootings and make up 63% of the male population. Looks like it's those Asians we need to keep our eyes on.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/27/us/mass-shootings/index.html
If you read the Mother Jones database what you find is that similar to means (the use of ARs) the number of minorities committing mass murders are also dramatically increasing over the last several years. As I recall, the number is right around 16 of the last 30 mass shooting incidents in the US were committed by ethnic related individuals. Times, they are a changin.
 
And when he kills someone else ?
And if that someone else is an innocent person, I would hope for their sake that they would be armed, well trained, and ready.

Gangbangers tend not to walk into churches and schools and attempt to kill everyone in it.
Neither would most anybody else, and if they tried they would be stopped immediately, if we had armed security at such places.
 
Sadly it looks like the gangbangers need more gun training, as many of the people killed by them are innocent bystanders, especially children.

If they did a better job at killing each other we would have far less gangbangers and many more innocent bystanders and children that live.
 
Well, that's totally false...

"During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (FBI ? Table 1). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually."

The link you provide takes into account all homicides in general, not gun homicides specifically.
 
Japan has always had strict laws but like all 'bans' it isnt really a 'ban'. You can be licensed to own guns and to hunt. The major change came about in 58 when they had an increasing problem with gang activity. The law in 1958 called for strict penalties against those using guns AND swords illegally.

From what I know in Japan, after going through a ton of paperwork and screening, you can get a shotgun that can hold up to 2 rounds. Then, after even more paperwork and screening you can get a rifle although Im not sure which calibers or what round capacity is allowed. Handguns are completely banned, even police generally don't carry handguns and those they do are kept at the station.
 
Maybe your logic is what we need to embrace. Like the guy that went into the black church in South Carolina and gunned people down. He needs to be shooting people that think like himself instead (the hate filled future murderers).
There is no indication that the people in the church were gang members. Gang members typically don't hang out at churches.
 
So are you saying the country should be regulated entirely at the federal level?

Yes.

This 50 state thing has proven to be a disaster... except for the wealthy who it was put in place to benefit.
 
Yes.

This 50 state thing has proven to be a disaster... except for the wealthy who it was put in place to benefit.

So another words we should have no state or local laws, only federal laws.
 
So, ban guns and seize all illegal guns.
well if you could seize all the illegal guns just do that now. I don't think anyone would disagree with you.

the problem is the government does not have a magical tractor beam that can turn on and make all the guns come to them.
 
well if you could seize all the illegal guns just do that now. I don't think anyone would disagree with you.

the problem is the government does not have a magical tractor beam that can turn on and make all the guns come to them.


They are being...but there are millions...hundreds of millions of guns out there.

So there are always guns filtering down into criminal hands.

So start by banning all guns...seize the legally held ones...then start to destroy the illegally haled ones as their owners are caught.
 
They are being...but there are millions...hundreds of millions of guns out there.

So there are always guns filtering down into criminal hands.
well if you banned them you would make sure that 100% of them we're in criminal hands.

This is one of the major reasons why gun bans are stupid.

So start by banning all guns...seize the legally held ones...then start to destroy the illegally haled ones as their owners are caught.
Okay so until you get caught with your gun somehow, you can blow away whatever preschool you want with it.

Yeah your ideas are not very intelligent.
 
They are being...but there are millions...hundreds of millions of guns out there.

So there are always guns filtering down into criminal hands.

So start by banning all guns...seize the legally held ones...then start to destroy the illegally haled ones as their owners are caught.

How can you ban all guns?
 
With an amendment to the Constitution that repeals the 2nd amendment.

How will you get 2/3 of each House of Congress and 3/4 of the state legislatures to approve such a measure?
 
They are being...but there are millions...hundreds of millions of guns out there.

So there are always guns filtering down into criminal hands.

So start by banning all guns...seize the legally held ones...then start to destroy the illegally haled ones as their owners are caught.
That wouldn't be fair to the people who legally own and legally use guns.
 
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