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Great news! Remington files for bankruptcy

jamesrage said:
I am pretty sure Ford and GM will be the ones making the electric/solar cars once the demand for them become great and the technology becomes cheaper.
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No such thing as "solar cars". If you're counting the bicycle wheeled contraptions which are entered into scientific competitions, be aware that those represent the bleeding edge of solar power for a self propelled vehicle. They have pretty much reached the mathematical upper limit of solar power per square foot in photovoltaic cells.

An actual consumer type AUTOMOBILE would have to be approx 30 feet wide and 65 feet long to contain enough PV cells to provide freeway speeds and sufficient power to haul four adults.
 
Bucky said:
Ford and GM tried to KILL the electric car.

Telsa has been the leader in bringing the demand for new technology.
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THEIR electric car, yes.
Even Ford and GM knew that the idea OF an electric car could not be killed altogether.
They also knew that they wouldn't be able to sustain a profit making the EV-1 in mass numbers, which is why they killed the project. They intended to kill it before they even started making them. It was a built in part of the plan.
 
OlNate said:
Psst...as someone who works in the automotive industry, I can tell you that the big three are VERY interested in electric cars... ;)
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And as someone who owns the current "tip of the spear" in autonomous vehicles, I can agree.
My wife will be among the first to receive the "Waymo" package when it is released to the market.
 
Bucky said:
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Some good points in that film but also some very specific lies as well.
GM never intended the EV-1 to be an open ended mass production, which is why they only LEASED the vehicles in the first place. It was ALWAYS intended to be a test market and nothing more.
They wanted a real world proof of concept but they never said that they were ready to transition to marketing a fully electric car at that time, and lessees KNEW this from the very beginning.
 
jamesrage said:
Tried is past tense.

How much do Teslas cost? An arm and a leg which way more expensive than what a lot of other cars go for.
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Model 3 is in the $35K range, pretty reasonable, Tesla's problem right now is "economies of scale"...i.e., GROWING pains.
 
Bucky said:
The only reason why they support electric cars now is that Tesla changed the marketplace and brought consumer awareness.

Tesla has more market share of electric vehicles than GM or Ford. GM and Ford are old dinosaurs that will go extinct in the future.
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Heh heh heh, Elon Musk said that his competition is NOT gasoline cars, it's other electric cars.
So YES, the main reason the Big Three NOW support increased involvement IS indeed because of pioneers like Musk who, even if he ultimately fails, has already "succeeded enough" that it will be a "successful failure".

But no, the Big Three are not going to go extinct. You're operating off deficient or bad information.
 
gfm7175 said:
I'd LOVE to get into a conversation with you about (especially) electric vehicles...

How exactly are electric vehicles better for the environment than gas vehicles?

How exactly are they more convenient than gas fueled vehicles?

Can an electric car be "refueled" at a similar speed that a gasoline car is?

Do we have enough supply in our electrical grid to handle the vastly increased demand that a very high quantity of electric cars would require us to have?

How costly are cars going to be without being subsidized by the government, and how costly will replacement parts for all the electronics and batteries be? (We all know that electronics/batteries cost a lot and do not have a very long life)...

What would happen if the power would go out for an extended period of time?

Is making and disposing all of these batteries environmentally friendly?

How are electric cars environmentally friendly when most electricity in the USA is currently being produced with the burning of fossil fuels?

I could honestly go on and on about it, but my point is that there are MANY questions and concerns about the switch-over to electric vehicles that are yet unanswered, but yet here we are pushing forward anyway...
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Since this is a gun thread, I'm going to minimize my response:

A lot of what you're saying has already been asked and answered. You're a wee bit behind the times.
 
gfm7175 said:
I'd also LOVE to get into a conversation about driverless cars, since you brought up how good they will be for our society...

How will THOSE work exactly? GPS technology?

Can we depend upon it to be accurate and reliable?

Are we going to switch ALL cars over to driverless, or keep manually driven cars on the road along with driverless ones?

How expensive will driverless cars be?

Who's fault will it be when there are accidents? The manufacturers? I see many lawsuits arising from driverless vehicles...

Will they be able to adjust for rain/snow/sleet/hail/ice/etc.?

Will they be able to detect water running across a road (after intense rainfall), or a deer darting out in front of the vehicle, or a snow drift in the middle of the road on a windy day (and be able to adjust for it)?

Would it be able to detect if a tire suddenly popped or became flat while driving?

Again, I could go on and on with my concerns, but I think you get the point... Well, I don't, but anyone else with an open mind would get the point...
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You really should start a driverless cars thread.
We own a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica, which is now the vehicle Google is using to test their Waymo autonomous platform.
The Pacifica AS IS, is already 85% autonomous right off the showroom floor. Google's Waymo is the test bed that provides the other 15% percent.
In about three years they'll be offering a version of Waymo to the market.
My wife, being a 100% service connected disabled vet, is already in line to take delivery.
 
longview said:
I just hope they don't use apple maps, My iPhone gps insisted I turn into a ditch, where it said a road should be.
I asked the people who I was visiting if there had been a road there, and they said not in the last 40 years that they knew of.
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They don't, and won't.
 
Bucky said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/beleaguered-gun-maker-remington-files-bankruptcy-n847316

Smith & Wesson, Sturm, Ruger, Sig Sauer, burn all those companies into the ground.

It baffles me how these CEO's and companies executives can sleep at night knowing their products is involved in the killing of innocent children and civilians. They literally have blood on their hands.

This is a great sign. The people are speaking. Good Americans don't want to give money to blood companies like Remington.
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I guess they can sleep at night the way car manufacturers sleep at night even though thousands of drunk drivers kill people every year.
 
Bucky said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/beleaguered-gun-maker-remington-files-bankruptcy-n847316

Smith & Wesson, Sturm, Ruger, Sig Sauer, burn all those companies into the ground.

It baffles me how these CEO's and companies executives can sleep at night knowing their products is involved in the killing of innocent children and civilians. They literally have blood on their hands.

This is a great sign. The people are speaking. Good Americans don't want to give money to blood companies like Remington.
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It's great news that judges aren't doing their jobs and throwing out frivolous lawsuits? Interesting.
 
Bucky said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/beleaguered-gun-maker-remington-files-bankruptcy-n847316

Smith & Wesson, Sturm, Ruger, Sig Sauer, burn all those companies into the ground.

It baffles me how these CEO's and companies executives can sleep at night knowing their products is involved in the killing of innocent children and civilians. They literally have blood on their hands.

This is a great sign. The people are speaking. Good Americans don't want to give money to blood companies like Remington.
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I assume you have no problem with these companies making the deadly weapons used to protect important officials?
 
gfm7175 said:
How so? And would you care to finally answer any of my questions concerning driverless and electric vehicles, or would you rather live in your own alternate reality and just pretend that there are no problems we still need to address with these types of vehicles before they can even be considered as a viable alternative...
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It seems you are behind the times. You do realize tesla have been out for a while right?

I am currently on jury duty and don't want to get caught so I'll address your points soon.
 
=Bucky;1068170812]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/beleaguered-gun-maker-remington-files-bankruptcy-n847316

Smith & Wesson, Sturm, Ruger, Sig Sauer, burn all those companies into the ground.

It baffles me how these CEO's and companies executives can sleep at night knowing their products is involved in the killing of innocent children and civilians. They literally have blood on their hands.
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Well Bucky I doubt if SSE had much to do with it. Guess Ford and GM AND et.al. have blood on their hands if that's the case.
This is a great sign. The people are speaking. Good Americans don't want to give money to blood companies like Remington.
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No some people are belly aching (anti gun people) and dancing in the street on their opportunity.
 
Bucky said:
I 100% agree with you there. Without government intervention, those companies would be dead. You can't fight the inevitability of solar/electric vehicles.

Companies like Ford and GM are killing America with there gas guzzling vehicles.

In the next 20 years, they will lose at least 50% of market share of automobile sales.
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And all the power generated of course will be generated by solar or wind in the production and charging stations to keep them running?
 
=Bucky;1068170874]In the next 20-30 years, we will transition in driverless vehicles which will dramatically decrease the number of fatalities on the road.
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FYI driverless vehicles already exist. I have already seen them being tested on the road.[/QUOTE]
Hope they test one around here and it hits me. I could use the money and it would be a lot.
 
I bought a Remington rifle today, in honor of this thread. I'll probably buy another one next year, since Remington isn't going anywhere.
 
Bucky said:
In the next 20-30 years, we will transition in driverless vehicles which will dramatically decrease the number of fatalities on the road.

FYI driverless vehicles already exist. I have already seen them being tested on the road.
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Again, the point went right over your head.
 
=Bucky;1068170974]You are wrong. Remington marketed the AR-15 assault rifle to Adam Lanza. They have blood on their hands and will legally be found in court as responsible.
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Well Bucky, Rucker is right. Remington is to Bushmaster what Ford is to Focus etc.
Remington marketed guns in the hands of high-risk individuals. This is no different than cigarette companies marketing to children.[/QUOTE]
Remington makes a product and sells it to a dealer that in turn sells it to us (well not you).The same with cigarettes.
 
Bucky said:
It is called negligent entrustment. Remington was marketing the AR-15 as a cool weapon used by soldiers in combat.

It is illegal for food companies to sell certain foods or market certain foods as healthy, etc...The same with financing, loans, etc..
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blatant lie. No member of our military has been issued Remington made AR 15s
 
Bucky said:
It is called negligent entrustment. Remington was marketing the AR-15 as a cool weapon used by soldiers in combat.

It is illegal for food companies to sell certain foods or market certain foods as healthy, etc...The same with financing, loans, etc..
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Well Bucky the only problem is that soldiers don't use AR-15s in combat.
 
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