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Great news! Remington files for bankruptcy

Bucky said:
People said the same thing about the internet and bitcoin. Once the box is opened, you cannot close it.
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I will take this as you having zero answers to any of my questions.

And to your last sentence, EXACTLY... That's why we need to move at a SLOW pace with this ****... the internet has opened up many issues with personal information being stolen/taken, among many other things... security/safety/etc. can't keep up with technology/modern advancements/etc. ... same goes with these electric cars... we're mass producing and pushing this type of vehicle before we are actually ready for it infrastructure-wise and environmental-wise...
 
gfm7175 said:
I will take this as you having zero answers to any of my questions.

And to your last sentence, EXACTLY... That's why we need to move at a SLOW pace with this ****... the internet has opened up many issues with personal information being stolen/taken, among many other things... security can't keep up with technology... same goes with these electric cars... we're mass producing and pushing this type of vehicle before we are actually ready for it infrastructure-wise and environmental-wise...
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You act like the internet is a bad thing?

Without the internet, you would have never had the pleasure of debating me!

The internet has created:

Wealth
Opportunity
Jobs
etc.. etc..

The internet has been a great force of good on our society. So will electric/driverless cars.

And how much slower do we need to move? Have electric cars been around for 20 years? We are humans, not turtles.
 
Bucky said:
I am here to talk about guns, not cars or knives, or baseball bats.

Why is it that anytime someone pro-gun control wants to talk about guns, the subject always gets changed to automobiles and drugs?
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I'm just following your line of discussion... You said that gun makers have "blood on their hands" because their products are involved in the killing of innocent children and what not... The question that position raises is, what about all these other products which are ALSO involved in the killing of innocent children and what not? Why won't you follow your own logic and say that those manufacturers ALSO have "blood on their hands"... Is it because I happen to be exposing the hypocrisy of your position you made in your OP?

Then you said "you can't fight the inevitability of solar/electric vehicles", so I wanted to have a discussion about that, but you have now completely avoided my concerns about electric vehicles... Why can't you ever finish a discussion that you started?
 
Bucky said:
I call complete BS.

"Stop the threat" means to kill. If a criminal was intent on killing you, are you telling me your self-defense guns wouldn't "stop the threat?"
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If someone is wounded and lays down on the ground, they have stopped being a threat. If they fall unconscious, they have stopped being a threat. If they run away, they have stopped being a threat.

Every time you post you seem to reveal more ignorance about firearms.
 
Rucker61 said:
If someone is wounded and lays down on the ground, they have stopped being a threat. If they fall unconscious, they have stopped being a threat. If they run away, they have stopped being a threat.

Every time you post you seem to reveal more ignorance about firearms.
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Obviously, you've never been to war.
 
Bucky said:
You act like the internet is a bad thing?
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No, but it has created problems that we didn't even attempt to fully think through beforehand, same with electric vehicles...

Bucky said:
Without the internet, you would have never had the pleasure of debating me!

The internet has created:

Wealth
Opportunity
Jobs
etc.. etc..

The internet has been a great force of good on our society.
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It's done plenty of good things... It has also been a good way to easily get information... But one of the bad parts, which went largely ignored, and is still largely ignored, is that the internet (and control over it) makes it MUCH easier for "higher powers" (whoever they may be) to have increased control over us... We are seeing this through new things such as Amazon's Alexa, which is brainwashing every purchaser of it to be social justice feminist leftist one-world socialist fascists...

Bucky said:
So will electric/driverless cars.
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Sure, it will create good things, but it will also create plenty of bad things, and we need to seriously think about these bad things before moving forward with it... I see that you still refuse to address any of my many questions about electric cars...

Bucky said:
And how much slower do we need to move? Have electric cars been around for 20 years? We are humans, not turtles.
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However slow is necessary for us to be ready for them... Right now we are definitely not ready for a mass production and mass ownership of them, but yet we keep pushing forward without thinking of the consequences on people, our environment, etc...
 
Bucky said:
I call complete BS.

"Stop the threat" means to kill. If a criminal was intent on killing you, are you telling me your self-defense guns wouldn't "stop the threat?"
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100% wrong.

THe word stop means something and is used specifically because that's what it means. If the threat stops...by no means does it mean 'dead.' Is this clear now?

If you need a dictionary, let us know.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Obviously, you've never been to war.
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You'd be wrong.


Also, CDC numbers show that for civilians shot in the US, about 20% die and about 80% live.
 
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OldFatGuy said:
Obviously, you've never been to war.
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Nobody says that status cant change and that you shouldnt be prepared to make sure that status continues.
 
Rucker61 said:
You'd be wrong. CDC numbers show that for civilians shot in the US, about 20% die and about 80% live.
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Funny, I interpreted his response to you differently.
 
Bucky said:
The internet has been a great force of good on our society. So will electric/driverless cars.
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I'd also LOVE to get into a conversation about driverless cars, since you brought up how good they will be for our society...

How will THOSE work exactly? GPS technology?

Can we depend upon it to be accurate and reliable?

Are we going to switch ALL cars over to driverless, or keep manually driven cars on the road along with driverless ones?

How expensive will driverless cars be?

Who's fault will it be when there are accidents? The manufacturers? I see many lawsuits arising from driverless vehicles...

Will they be able to adjust for rain/snow/sleet/hail/ice/etc.?

Will they be able to detect water running across a road (after intense rainfall), or a deer darting out in front of the vehicle, or a snow drift in the middle of the road on a windy day (and be able to adjust for it)?

Would it be able to detect if a tire suddenly popped or became flat while driving?

Again, I could go on and on with my concerns, but I think you get the point... Well, I don't, but anyone else with an open mind would get the point...
 
Bucky said:
Remington failed because nobody wants to be associated with guns involved in a damn school shooting.

Damn, Rucker, wake up!
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I freaking kidding?!?

Do you know how many different companies make AR-16s?

I sold firearms for ten years and I can guarantee that all this is going to do create a jump in sales. Gun stores would have been ordering like crazy in anticipation of the coming run on Remingtons.

In fact I would not be surprised if representatives had not known in advance and spread the word to clients in advance.
 
Bucky said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/beleaguered-gun-maker-remington-files-bankruptcy-n847316

Smith & Wesson, Sturm, Ruger, Sig Sauer, burn all those companies into the ground.

It baffles me how these CEO's and companies executives can sleep at night knowing their products is involved in the killing of innocent children and civilians. They literally have blood on their hands.

This is a great sign. The people are speaking. Good Americans don't want to give money to blood companies like Remington.
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Their guns have been so shoddy in recent years, they probably haven't killed as many people as you imagine.
 
gfm7175 said:
I'd also LOVE to get into a conversation about driverless cars, since you brought up how good they will be for our society...

How will THOSE work exactly? GPS technology?

Can we depend upon it to be accurate and reliable?

Are we going to switch ALL cars over to driverless, or keep manually driven cars on the road along with driverless ones?

How expensive will driverless cars be?

Who's fault will it be when there are accidents? The manufacturers? I see many lawsuits arising from driverless vehicles...

Will they be able to adjust for rain/snow/sleet/hail/ice/etc.?

Will they be able to detect water running across a road (after intense rainfall), or a deer darting out in front of the vehicle, or a snow drift in the middle of the road on a windy day (and be able to adjust for it)?

Would it be able to detect if a tire suddenly popped or became flat while driving?

Again, I could go on and on with my concerns, but I think you get the point... Well, I don't, but anyone else with an open mind would get the point...
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I just hope they don't use apple maps, My iPhone gps insisted I turn into a ditch, where it said a road should be.
I asked the people who I was visiting if there had been a road there, and they said not in the last 40 years that they knew of.
 
What happed did the bone headed morons not run out to the ammo store enough. Oh I remember she lost so they could not use that one on the sheep.
 
TurtleDude said:
you're lying. Remington's flagship product is the Remington 700 which was for decades, the main choice for hunters. There have been quality issues with the 700 for decades and Savage makes a more accurate rifle for less money. Remington 1100s used to dominate skeet shooting but in the last 20 years, the far more reliable (no O rings to break) Beretta semi autos have far eclipsed the 1100 and its brother the 1187. Recently Remington introduced the Versamax semi auto that is an excellent shotgun (we have two) but that's limited market. Remington's attempt to make a semi auto self defense pistol sort of flopped at first.

I don't know anyone who would buy a Bushmaster and not because of Lanza. the SIG MCX-used by the guy who massacred all the gays in Orlando, used one and most dealers cannot keep those MCXs in stock since they are so well made
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You left out the 870s.

Both my boys got one for their 14th birthday and my daughter will get one when she turns 14 later this year.

I have had my favorite wingmaster for nearly forty years. I have literally used it as a canoe paddle and then shot it.

I understand that the quality has gone.down in the last few years though.
 
Bucky said:
Remington failed because nobody wants to be associated with guns involved in a damn school shooting.

Damn, Rucker, wake up!
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Seriously?

Then nobody would have any type of gun for the most part...

You really do need to start putting at least a sliver of thought into your statements before you press the post button...
 
Rucker61 said:
Care to address any of his points?
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I think Bucky knows full well that I have intellectually destroyed him, so he refuses to honestly address any of my points concerning anything, be it his original post about "blood on [gun manufacturers'] hands", be it guns, be it electric cars, be it driverless cars... I think Bucky has made that quite evident given all of my attempts to have intellectual conversations about those things that he himself has first brought up within this thread...

Edit: After reading through more of the thread, I see that he has engaged in conversation about electric and driverless cars with other people, but refuses to answer my questions/concerns regarding those types of vehicles... I wonder why that is... He went into full deflection mode about answering my questions as can be easily seen with a back-read of this thread...
 
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Bucky said:
In the next 20-30 years, we will transition in driverless vehicles which will dramatically decrease the number of fatalities on the road.
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How so? And would you care to finally answer any of my questions concerning driverless and electric vehicles, or would you rather live in your own alternate reality and just pretend that there are no problems we still need to address with these types of vehicles before they can even be considered as a viable alternative...
 
Bucky said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/beleaguered-gun-maker-remington-files-bankruptcy-n847316

Smith & Wesson, Sturm, Ruger, Sig Sauer, burn all those companies into the ground.

It baffles me how these CEO's and companies executives can sleep at night knowing their products is involved in the killing of innocent children and civilians. They literally have blood on their hands.

This is a great sign. The people are speaking. Good Americans don't want to give money to blood companies like Remington.
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Realistic question: Do you believe that if all the gun manufacturers were to go bankrupt that it would lessen the amount of gun violence in America?
 
Bucky said:
I am here to talk about guns, not cars or knives, or baseball bats.

Why is it that anytime someone pro-gun control wants to talk about guns, the subject always gets changed to automobiles and drugs?
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Because YOU YOURSELF brought them up first... Were you or were you not engaging in conversation about electric and driverless vehicles in many earlier posts in this thread before I came in and had some questions for you about their viability. All of a sudden you now refuse to talk about them with me and are "here to talk about guns"... odd...
 
Bucky said:
I 100% agree with you there. Without government intervention, those companies would be dead. You can't fight the inevitability of solar/electric vehicles.

Companies like Ford and GM are killing America with there gas guzzling vehicles.

In the next 20 years, they will lose at least 50% of market share of automobile sales.
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Do you actually believe that Ford and Chevy are still fighting electric vehicle ideas?
Where did you get the idea that the big three would lose 50% of automobile market share, and who do you think will pick it up?
 
Bucky said:
In the next 20-30 years, we will transition in driverless vehicles which will dramatically decrease the number of fatalities on the road.

FYI driverless vehicles already exist. I have already seen them being tested on the road.
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But who do you think will be leading the way in making those driverless vehicles?
You say the Big Three will lose 50% market share.

And about the guns, you do understand that there are currently 320 million of them in private hands?
Have you done the math on what it would take to make 320 million privately owned firearms disappear in a democratic country?
 
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