GOP memo criticizing FBI surveillance is released

[Fearandloathing]

It's a big nothing. The claim the warrant on Carter Page didn't disclose that the Steele dossier was funded by Hillary. A big nothing. The FBI had a ton of reasons to be suspicious of Carter Page.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...07fea957bd5_story.html?utm_term=.7ad3641f68e6

Nunes is a clown. He makes these grand announcements and they turn out to be nothing.

I am astonished at how much the American people allow their elected servants to use the congressional system to play partisan, political games.

This is what I thought it would be, the usual pot of hot water the tribe in trouble calls "steam" at 100's of thousands spent on what is a propaganda exercise.

The kind of government I want would be holding different hearings, like how come American warships keep ramming super cargo carriers, what is at stae in the NAFTA talks, the consequences of ripping it up, a realistic look at illegal immigration as something like 3% walk across, most illegals are overstayed on their visas. The government I want would be looking at the softwood lumber dispute, the same issues again and again over 30 years, who is being protected and why.
The government I would want would be calling on experts about the wildfires on the west coast, Southern California, Oregon and Washington, and question if what is being done is actually helping.
But those things don't get headlines and without headlines $$$ disappear and they lose their only shot at the "American Dream" to become a millionaire by never having to work, nor think

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Looks to me like proof that the DNC and Clinton campaign colluded with DOJ, and FBI (and thus probably Obama) to win an election.

So, why didn't the FBI tell us that Trump's campaign was under investigation? Why did they instead tell us the Hillary was under investigation?

What you're saying makes no sense.

Moreover, the evidece against Carter Page is staggering. He's not some ordinary American citizen. He associates with Russian agents. He's the kind of guy who should be monitored.

 

[code1211]

It just confirms a long held belief that the FBI used bogus evidence to get a FISA warrant.... whether that is a big deal to you or not, I guess that depends on how much you want it to be or not.

The obvious fact here is that the FBI was complicit in the use of lies to attack a political opponent of the President.

This should be the source of fear in our citizens and of embarrassment to our law enforcement types.

This combined with the abuses by the IRS and the DOJ is a frightening body of evidence showing the criminality routinely empoloyed by our government during the Obama years.

All of it taken together is a powerful argument in support of limiting and shrinking the power and control of government.

In a free country, the government fears the people. In a police state, the people fear the government.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

It calls to question EVERYTHING abut the Dossier and the credibility of the people who made it.

The entire Republican argument is a known logical fallacy!

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Republicans are attacking Christopher Steele, attacking the FBI and attacking the DOJ. But what about the facts? Trump's campaign did secretly meet with Russians. They did lie about it. Carter Page was associated with Russian spies who were deported. Trump was offered Russian prostitutes in a hotel in Russia.

 

[code1211]

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/kidding-national-security-lawyer-tears-apart-nunes-pathetic-joke-memo/

From the memo:

"Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information."

 

[code1211]

This is really much ado about nothing. The shocking thing is how little there is here that we have not already heard for months from the right wing apologists for Trump. This is really just rehashed stuff that has already been refuted or explained.

And to think Trump was willing to endanger professionals just to try and win a news cycle - if he even gets that as this thing is being shredded on TV right before our eyes and it only been a hour.

A FISA warrant was issued to illegally surveil a US citizen for the purposes of attacking a political opponent of the party in power.

Do you not find this at all troubling?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

It just confirms a long held belief that the FBI used bogus evidence to get a FISA warrant.... whether that is a big deal to you or not, I guess that depends on how much you want it to be or not.

LOL! No, it most certainly does not confirm that. All of the 'evidence' in the memo are simply unsupported claims.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

A FISA warrant was issued to illegally surveil a US citizen for the purposes of attacking a political opponent of the party in power.

Do you not find this at all troubling?

What I find troubling is that people are compelled to lie about the FBI illegally surveiling a US citizen for the purposes of attacking a political opponent of the party in power when no credible evidence support that assertion.

 

[code1211]

Yep. It's a giant yawn. And it certainly does not provide the ENTIRE package of evidence provided to the FISC to justify the surveillance of Carter Page.

In short, this memo is a gigantic lie of omission.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-nunes-memo-annotated/?utm_term=.c828a539b0a3
<snip>
"Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information."
<snip>

 

[code1211]

Renewed it 3 times. The reason it was a "witch hunt" is because there were, in fact, witches.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-nunes-memo-annotated/?utm_term=.c828a539b0a3

"Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information."

 

[RAMOSS]

Fair enough, that is the accusation nunes is making. The DOJ is free to clarify things and show that nunes is in fact missleading everyone. Release the documents and show us

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I have to wonder why the people who pushed for this memo to be released won't give authorization for that other memo to be released. Doesn't it make you curious?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-nunes-memo-annotated/?utm_term=.c828a539b0a3

"Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information."

1. The Steele dossier is a respected Russian agent who worked in Russia warning the American governments about Russian activities.

2. There was other evidence against Carter Page

3. The fact that Hillary paid Steele to research Trump doesn't change his findings. Steele was disturbed by what he found and contacted the FBI. Steele is an expert on Russian intelligence.

 

[faithful_servant]

In what world do you live in?

In a world where nothing any Dem. eer does is wrong and everything any Rep. does is wrong. Where truth and facts are subservient to political agendas. Where the hate flows like the River of Denial.

 

[poweRob]

 

[poweRob]

In a world where nothing any Dem. eer does is wrong and everything any Rep. does is wrong. Where truth and facts are subservient to political agendas. Where the hate flows like the River of Denial.

And whiny victim cards are handed out like candy.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Well, great.

The memo is assessesed by the other side a "nothing to see here" event.

If this is to be the new standard proffered by the only other major political party... then I am sure there would be no reasonable objection... perhaps the Donald should summarily fire everyone that doesn't go along with his agenda in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc... and next campaign merely hire a good oppo research firm to make stuff up so his team can spy on anybody (and everybody) like team Hillary and that rather slender black (do nothing productive )dude did the last two elections.

And if they should somehow still pull off a victory, sic the deep state dogs, the new and improved Trump deep state dogs, on them...oh, and deep six the complicit opposing media ... have any group not following the new correct ideology targeted by the IRS, and to those formerly willing to force an unconstitutional Obamacare on us, and ultimately a single payer system of their own making and design... no doubt these sheep wouldnt mind the new ruling party establishing a single news network, lets say FOX, to give us all our new and streamlined (fake)news instead of the needless costs and redundancies repesented in the current mainstream news system.

If this is what the other side is pushing, be careful of what you wish for and will accept...

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

perhaps the Donald should summarily fire everyone that doesn't go along with his agenda in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc...

That's exactly what he's going to do. The memo is a nothing burger but it's a necessary pretext for the firings that will soon follow. Trump needs to get rid of Rod Rosenstein and this memo is the pretext for doing that.

He will fire all the FBI heads and put in someone who can squash the Mueller investigation or tip him off about where it's at.

Count down to firing...

 

[ultmd]

Did you read the memo?

In it, Comey characterizes the dossier as "salacious and unverified".

WRONG (or, to be kind, at the very least HIGHLY MISLEADING). The TRUTH is that Comey characterized "SOME ASPECTS" the Dossier (i.e. the reports of Trump, Russian Hookers and Urine fetishes) as "salacious and unverified". Obviously, you are either confused, or just being intentionally disingenuous about this point.

It is subsequently used to gain a FISA Warrant leading to this whole witch hunt.

It was PART of what was used to renew the FISA warrant. Nothing wrong with that.

The Memo states pretty clearly that the Dossier was funded by Hillary and the DNC. It is a made up hit piece commissioned by one set of politicians to attack another. What are you talking about? It says the dossier was a made up hit piece by one set of politicians intended to attack another set of politicians. It says that the folks who commissioned it, developed it and employed it to gain a warrant were all rabid political opponents of Trump.

Oh, please. What are YOU talking about? Stop watching the Fox News coverage of this, the latest in a seemingly never-ending FAKE "scandals" promoted by the Gop'ers against this country.

The Nunes memo proves nothing of the sort. It's a glorified press release that even other republicans admit presents a distorted picture of the actual intelligence and the FBI's investigation.

We already KNOW (for a FACT) that the Fusion GPS/Steele Dossier was initially a REPUBLICAN-funded opposition research project of the far-right wing Washington Free Beacon (reportedly on behalf of the Marco Rubio campaign). It was picked up and continued by the Clinton campaign, for sure. But obviously telling the whole truth about the sources and funding of the GPS research doesn't help people like you perpetuate your conspiracy theory, right?

We already KNOW (for a FACT) that it was NOT "made up by politicians" at all. Neither Glen Simpson at Fusion GPS, nor Chris Steele himself, are politicians. Simpson's background, in fact, is as a conservative columnist with the WSJ. He's the same guy who broke the "Clinton Travelgate" scandal..........as well as the "Chinagate" campaign finance scandal.......and smears against Anita Hill (during the Clarence Thomas hearings)..........and the story that ultimately forced Democratic House leader Tom Foley to resign.....among other things.

We already KNOW (for a FACT) that Comey is a Republican............and that Rosenstein is a Republican..........and that Mueller is a Republican.........and that the FBI agent whose texts are being scrutinized for bias against Trump (i.e. Peter Strzok) was just as critical of Hillary Clinton in his texts (and, in fact, was the agent who decided to reopen the investigation of Hillary Clinton one week before the 2016 election).

There is not ONE scintilla of evidence, in fact, that ANYONE at the FBI is a Democratic partisan (much less a "rabid political opponent of Trump"). That kind of "rabid" conspiracy theory nonsense is part of what gives you Trump acolytes such a bad rep.

 

[beefheart]

Well, great.

The memo is assessesed by the other side a "nothing to see here" event.

If this is to be the new standard proffered by the only other major political party... then I am sure there would be no reasonable objection... perhaps the Donald should summarily fire everyone that doesn't go along with his agenda in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc... and next campaign merely hire a good oppo research firm to make stuff up so his team can spy on anybody (and everybody) like team Hillary and that rather slender black (do nothing productive )dude did the last two elections.

And if they should somehow still pull off a victory, sic the deep state dogs, the new and improved Trump deep state dogs, on them...oh, and deep six the complicit opposing media ... have any group not following the new correct ideology targeted by the IRS, and to those formerly willing to force an unconstitutional Obamacare on us, and ultimately a single payer system of their own making and design... no doubt these sheep wouldnt mind the new ruling party establishing a single news network, lets say FOX, to give us all our new and streamlined (fake)news instead of the needless costs and redundancies repesented in the current mainstream news system.

If this is what the other side is pushing, be careful of what you wish for and will accept...

What an amazingly unfocused and irrellevant post you just made.

 

[jonny5]

Looks like people see what they want to see.
I see as nothing more than an attempt claim "because of the source" that the facts and evidence presented to the court just cannot be correct and that there is a "big conspiracy" to bring down trump. We shall see, Ryan has backed releasing the Dems memo on it, and we have yet to hear from the FBI and DOJ, Sessions has already said he supports Rosenstein, pssst he might know something you do not. So far I saw nothing new in the way of evidence other than the same claims that have been made all along. For me it is a big nothing-burger other than this may come back to bite some Repubs on the arse.

Not a big conspiracy, just a simple one. DNC and Clinton, Obama and media all on the same side, and use their power to try and sway the election for Hillary. Look what they did to Bernie. Look at how Hillary got away with crimes because Comey. Luckily they have the media to cover for them.

 

[jonny5]

So, why didn't the FBI tell us that Trump's campaign was under investigation? Why did they instead tell us the Hillary was under investigation?

What you're saying makes no sense.

Moreover, the evidece against Carter Page is staggering. He's not some ordinary American citizen. He associates with Russian agents. He's the kind of guy who should be monitored.

Why? Is Russia our enemy? Whats wrong with american citizens talking to govt officials in other countries?

 

[bubbabgone]

Did you read the memo?

In it, Comey characterizes the dossier as "salacious and unverified".

It is subsequently used to gain a FISA Warrant leading to this whole witch hunt.

The Memo states pretty clearly that the Dossier was funded by Hillary and the DNC. It is a made up hit piece commissioned by one set of politicians to attack another.

What are you talking about?

They're not serious.
"There's nothing there" is the final phase of denial when the rest have failed.
It'll have to suffice until the Shiraffe tells 'em what to say next.

 

[beefheart]

3 different renewals of the warrant by 3 different judges.

Yeah, there was good reason for a FISA warrant.

This memo is pure crap.

The democrats played "rope a dope" with the republicans on this memo. This memo is so bad, its helping the dems.

 

[ultmd]

Why? Is Russia our enemy? Whats wrong with american citizens talking to govt officials in other countries?

Yes, Russia is our enemy.

And, like most brainwashed Trump acolytes these days, you sound like the kind of American that Russian spies call "useful idiots".

 

[bubbabgone]

Not a big conspiracy, just a simple one. DNC and Clinton, Obama and media all on the same side, and use their power to try and sway the election for Hillary. Look what they did to Bernie. Look at how Hillary got away with crimes because Comey. Luckily they have the media to cover for them.

Yeah, Comey comes off badly with what's in the memo and then today after his comment when it was released.