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God is Dead

RAMOSS said:
You are limiting 'this environment' to be electronic communication. However, "The environment" has electronic communication as just a subjection of it. There is the offline environment, and then there is the phyisical interface of an electronic device, that moves symbols around the globe. Why narrow it down to symbols?
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'This environment' is the online debate forum that we are utilizing to communicate via the typing of words. I do not understand why you are mentioning all the other environments please explain why you are adding them and how they are related to our discussion. I need more info concerning your question.. Why narrow it down to symbols? Please explain.

Roseann

PS It is past my bedtime, so can we please continue this conversation tomorrow. TIA
 
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devildavid said:
So if spiritual is not made up, what is it? Oh yeah, that's right, it's a non-physical thing that can't be held to physical rules of evidence. Thus, anyone can claim anything they like about spiritual because there is no way to verify the accuracy of the claim. Sounds like something made up to me.
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Okay, you have every right to believe that.
 
CharisRose said:
Yes, that is what I said. Wishful thinking. Just a word. Not an actual physical rutabaga. Show me an actual physical rutabaga in this environment.

Roseann:)
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Show me an actual god or spirit in this environment.

The rutabaga was presented as a form of evidence. We will gladly seek any evidence outside of this environment of god or spirit as long as you tell us what constitutes evidence and where we can find it.
 
devildavid said:
Show me an actual god or spirit in this environment.

The rutabaga was presented as a form of evidence. We will gladly seek any evidence outside of this environment of god or spirit as long as you tell us what constitutes evidence and where we can find it.
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Hi devildavid,

Two Words 1. God 2. devildavid

Okay, now I will hold 'we' to the same standard that has been required of me, 'we' can now go gladly seeking any evidence outside of this environment of God or spirit.

I never requested that 'us' tell me what constitutes evidence or where they can find it concerning the one physical rutabaga.

That information was offered to me as evidence and I was instructed to go find it in the physical world, to help prove the evidence of the one rutabaga.

Please, Note: The one rutabaga was not presented in it's physical form as evidence in this environment.

Note: I provided the Two Words and I will hold you to your standard concerning the word 'Rutabaga' as being legitimate evidence.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Hi devildavid,

Two Words 1. God 2. devildavid

Okay, now I will hold 'we' to the same standard that has been required of me, 'we' can now go gladly seeking any evidence outside of this environment of God or spirit.

I never requested that 'us' tell me what constitutes evidence or where they can find it concerning the one physical rutabaga.

That information was offered to me as evidence and I was instructed to go find it in the physical world, to help prove the evidence of the one rutabaga.

Please, Note: The one rutabaga was not presented in it's physical form as evidence in this environment.

Note: I provided the Two Words and I will hold you to your standard concerning the word 'Rutabaga' as being legitimate evidence.

Roseann:)
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I can define devildavid. Devildavid is a nickname for a human being, composed of organic and inorganic material that has the ability to log onto this forum. Devildavid has the properties of mass, breaths, is a biped of the species homo sapiens sapiens.

What is your definition of God? Can you describe god in a way that does not rely on actions that are taken to have been done, or is entirely metaphysical/conceptual in nature?
 
gfm7175 said:
No you don't. You BELIEVE that's what it is. If you KNOW that's what it is, then prove it to me in a way that passes the "show me" test...
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The fact that no one can define it.
 
RAMOSS said:
I can define devildavid. Devildavid is a nickname for a human being, composed of organic and inorganic material that has the ability to log onto this forum. Devildavid has the properties of mass, breaths, is a biped of the species homo sapiens sapiens.

What is your definition of God? Can you describe god in a way that does not rely on actions that are taken to have been done, or is entirely metaphysical/conceptual in nature?
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Are you sure...could be a bot...
 
devildavid said:
The fact that no one can define it.
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Tsk tsk... You can understand who God is by the names that identify who he is and what he does.

Names of God:

"YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) – the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.

YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) – “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.

YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) – God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.

YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) – the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him."

More in the link below

https://www.gotquestions.org/names-of-God.html
 
RAMOSS said:
I can define devildavid. Devildavid is a nickname for a human being, composed of organic and inorganic material that has the ability to log onto this forum. Devildavid has the properties of mass, breaths, is a biped of the species homo sapiens sapiens.

What is your definition of God? Can you describe god in a way that does not rely on actions that are taken to have been done, or is entirely metaphysical/conceptual in nature?
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Hi RAMOSS,

Thank You, I have no problem with how you define Devildavid or that you have chosen to define it for me.

Note: the human being typed that nickname, the way I typed that nickname (did not capitalize the d) If the d was D that is what I would have typed, just like I typed your nickname RAMOSS.

My online nickname is symbolic and based on my real name and it's meaning. Roseann means Flower of Grace, CharisRose means GraceFlower.

Note: I called it a word. As I see it, as a word > it is simply a combination of two words.

devil and david

Per your request I will provide the definitions of those words using an online Merriam-Webster Dictionary because I know that I cannot provide the physical one in this environment that I use in my physical home.

Definition of God
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality

Definition of devil
1 often capitalized : the personal supreme spirit of evil often represented in Jewish and Christian belief as the tempter of humankind, the leader of all apostate angels, and the ruler of hell.

Definition of David
1 : a Hebrew shepherd who became the second king of Israel in succession to Saul according to biblical accounts

Definition of rutabaga
: a turnip (Brassica napus napobrassica) that usually produces a large yellowish root that is eaten as a vegetable; also : the root

Sorry, RAMOSS not letting you or devildavid off the hook. I will continue holding both of you to the same standards you expect from me.

Roseann:comp:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/god

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/devil

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/David

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rutabaga
 
CharisRose said:
Hi devildavid,

Two Words 1. God 2. devildavid

Okay, now I will hold 'we' to the same standard that has been required of me, 'we' can now go gladly seeking any evidence outside of this environment of God or spirit.

I never requested that 'us' tell me what constitutes evidence or where they can find it concerning the one physical rutabaga.

That information was offered to me as evidence and I was instructed to go find it in the physical world, to help prove the evidence of the one rutabaga.

Please, Note: The one rutabaga was not presented in it's physical form as evidence in this environment.

Note: I provided the Two Words and I will hold you to your standard concerning the word 'Rutabaga' as being legitimate evidence.

Roseann:)
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I'm not a word. God is a concept, an idea.
 
gfm7175 said:
Spiritual: relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.

Any other questions?
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What part of a human being constitutes a soul or spirit? How do you determine if anyone, other than yourself, has this thing you call soul or spirit?
 
devildavid said:
What part of a human being constitutes a soul or spirit?
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The "mind".

devildavid said:
How do you determine if anyone, other than yourself, has this thing you call soul or spirit?
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Has is the wrong word. You and I ARE souls/spirits/"minds". You and I happen to currently HAVE physical bodies.

Our free will is evidence of this, but the biggest evidence of this is that our "mind" is different than our "brain". Our "mind" can feel emotions, and can think about things (has the property of "aboutness"). The "mind" also has the property of "first person perspective" (self reflection). I know more about myself than anyone else in this world (outside of God). The "mind" also contains "beliefs", such as what you are trying to express to me when you say that souls/spirits/"minds" don't exist because everything is purely physical.

A neuroscientist could hook me up to a machine to examine my brain, but he will never be able to see or locate any of my thoughts. The brain doesn't possess the "aboutness" property that the "mind" possesses. He could hit me with a hammer and notice that I am in fact experiencing pain, but he wouldn't have the "first person experience" of MY pain.

Also, beliefs can be true or false. A brain state cannot be true or false; it just IS.

Therefore, the "mind" and the "brain" are two different things which have differing properties from each other, which leads to the conclusion that the "mind" is not identical to the "brain". Since all humans experience these things, all humans have both a "mind" and a "brain".
 
CharisRose said:
Hi RAMOSS,

Thank You, I have no problem with how you define Devildavid or that you have chosen to define it for me.

Note: the human being typed that nickname, the way I typed that nickname (did not capitalize the d) If the d was D that is what I would have typed, just like I typed your nickname RAMOSS.

My online nickname is symbolic and based on my real name and it's meaning. Roseann means Flower of Grace, CharisRose means GraceFlower.

Note: I called it a word. As I see it, as a word > it is simply a combination of two words.

devil and david

Per your request I will provide the definitions of those words using an online Merriam-Webster Dictionary because I know that I cannot provide the physical one in this environment that I use in my physical home.

Definition of God
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality

Definition of devil
1 often capitalized : the personal supreme spirit of evil often represented in Jewish and Christian belief as the tempter of humankind, the leader of all apostate angels, and the ruler of hell.

Definition of David
1 : a Hebrew shepherd who became the second king of Israel in succession to Saul according to biblical accounts

Definition of rutabaga
: a turnip (Brassica napus napobrassica) that usually produces a large yellowish root that is eaten as a vegetable; also : the root

Sorry, RAMOSS not letting you or devildavid off the hook. I will continue holding both of you to the same standards you expect from me.

Roseann:comp:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/god

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/devil

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/David

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rutabaga
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Ok. What is 'ultimate reality'. Is that anything more than a metaphysical concept.. the 'ultimate' sort of makes things different. Is that the standard definition?. In that one, both the samples underneath are an example of 'actions alleged to have been performed' or an entirely metaphysical concept.
 
devildavid said:
I'm not a word. God is a concept, an idea.
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I never said you were a word. I would never call you a word because I think you are are person who used the word devildavid and also the pic of Alfred E. Neuman for some reason, but I could be wrong about that idea. I really am sorry if I offended you in any way. Please, except my apology.

I said devildavid was a word. I used the term "nickname" as RAMOSS described it and then I proceeded to explain that I saw that word as a combination of two words devil and david.

My use of that word was simple... I knew the word devil and it's definition would include the word spirit. I also noted you did not capitalize the name David or devil.

I understand, that in your physical mind you think... God is a concept, an idea. It's your mind and you can think whatever you want to think. As, can I.

Roseann
 
RAMOSS said:
The nick 'devildavid' passes the turing test , unlike the nick 'Elvira'.
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In Spanish the meaning of the name Elvira is: Truth. White or beautiful
 
RAMOSS said:
Ok. What is 'ultimate reality'. Is that anything more than a metaphysical concept.. the 'ultimate' sort of makes things different. Is that the standard definition?. In that one, both the samples underneath are an example of 'actions alleged to have been performed' or an entirely metaphysical concept.
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Definition of ultimate reality
: something that is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality . ultimate reality in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is God

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ultimate reality

ultimate
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ultimate
reality
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reality

Just providing dictionary definitions. You are the one concerned about a metaphysical concept. You can read the information and then you can decide for yourself.

Roseann
 
Elvira said:
Well, while ago you said He was a thing...
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Interesting a thing...

thing definition... : an object or entity not precisely designated or capable of being designated use this thing

entity definition

1 a : being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence
b : the existence of a thing as contrasted with its attributes
2 : something that has separate and distinct existence and objective or conceptual reality

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thing

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entity
 
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