God is Dead

[devildavid]

Roseann offered an analogy, man. Do you not understand the concept of argument by analogy?

Yeah, argument by analogy is extremely weak and worthless.

 

[devildavid]

I know exactly what I am discussing and the physical you cannot physically occupy space in this debate forum environment.

Your online presence (angry cat named RAMOSS) doesn't breathe forum air and doesn't sit in a forum chair.

Your online presence is dependent on the physical you via typing words and providing images. The physical you who is sitting in that physical chair, breathing air in your physical environment cannot provide any physical evidence from your physical world. This debate forum environment limits the physical you and that is a fact.

I understand you wanting to combine the two environments as if they are exactly the same but they are not based on the fact that neither your online presence nor the physical you is capable of providing any physical objects from the physical world as evidence in this online debate forum environment.

In this environment your physical being is not detectable via the physical human senses.

Your online presence is simply typing words with a mix of some images.

Roseann

Still playing games, I see. I don't believe you exist. You aren't really posting and neither am I. We just believe we are.

 

[Angel]

Yeah, argument by analogy is extremely weak and worthless.

How would you know? You haven't offered an argument of any kind in all the time I've known you. Not a single one.
I don't think you know what an argument is. Your opinion of arguments should be taken in that light.
Come to think of it, I do believe you're on record as asserting that all argument is worthless.

 

[RAMOSS]

I know exactly what I am discussing and the physical you cannot physically occupy space in this debate forum environment.

Your online presence (angry cat named RAMOSS) doesn't breathe forum air and doesn't sit in a forum chair.

Your online presence is dependent on the physical you via typing words and providing images. The physical you who is sitting in that physical chair, breathing air in your physical environment cannot provide any physical evidence from your physical world. This debate forum environment limits the physical you and that is a fact.

I understand you wanting to combine the two environments as if they are exactly the same but they are not based on the fact that neither your online presence nor the physical you is capable of providing any physical objects from the physical world as evidence in this online debate forum environment.

In this environment your physical being is not detectable via the physical human senses.

Your online presence is simply typing words with a mix of some images.

Roseann

Unlike spirituality or divinity, my offline presence, as well as your offline presence can be shown to exist.

 

[devildavid]

How would you know? You haven't offered an argument of any kind in all the time I've known you. Not a single one.
I don't think you know what an argument is. Your opinion of arguments should be taken in that light.
Come to think of it, I do believe you're on record as asserting that all argument is worthless.

Yes, philosophical arguments, without accompanying physical evidence, are worthless when it comes to describing reality. And analogies are garbage.

 

[gfm7175]

Simple. "Christ" is a title. It is a greek word that is translated from the Hebrew "Moishe', which means 'anointed'. The term Christ is not a name.

Splendid. I guess that tells us that Christ most likely wasn't his last name.

 

[gfm7175]

You can't show anything spiritual because it is a made up term based on wishful thinking. It is defined to evade detection. Neat trick!

How do you KNOW this? Otherwise, it's just your BELIEF vs my belief.

 

[gfm7175]

Yeah, argument by analogy is extremely weak and worthless.

Yeah, posting your beliefs as if they are universal truths (especially without any support for those beliefs) is extremely weak and worthless.


Between you and RAMOSS, which one of you two is the final arbiter of truth in this world?

 

[CharisRose]

Still playing games, I see. I don't believe you exist. You aren't really posting and neither am I. We just believe we are.

I am not playing games. OK, so you don't believe I exist. Ok, we are not really posting and we just believe we are. Those words do not change the fact, that you are still unable to provide a physical rutabaga in this environment and that you are unwilling to accept that limitation.

Roseann

 

[Angel]

I am not playing games. OK, so you don't believe I exist. Ok, we are not really posting and we just believe we are. Those words do not change the fact, that you are still unable to provide a physical rutabaga in this environment and that you are unwilling to accept that limitation.

Roseann

Your analogy has gone completely over their heads. They can't seem to be able to wrap their minds around it. They're at a loss and flailing.

I am delighted you've arrived, Roseann.

 

[CharisRose]

Unlike spirituality or divinity, my offline presence, as well as your offline presence can be shown to exist.

Your online presence angry cat named RAMOSS is the only presence I have been communicating with, I have no knowledge whatsoever what your offline presence is like.

Okay show me your offline presence. Show me my offline presence.

Hmmmm In this environment you could fit the definition of a spirit but not the divine because you are incapable of providing that physical one rutabaga.

Roseann:comp:

 

[CharisRose]

Your analogy has gone completely over their heads. They can't seem to be able to wrap their minds around it. They're at a loss and flailing.

I am delighted you've arrived, Roseann.

Thank You, I am delighted a friend of mine told me about this forum and that I found your threads.

Roseann

 

[gfm7175]

Your analogy has gone completely over their heads. They can't seem to be able to wrap their minds around it. They're at a loss and flailing.

I am delighted you've arrived, Roseann.

As am I. It's always nice to get fresh perspectives.

 

[RAMOSS]

Splendid. I guess that tells us that Christ most likely wasn't his last name.

Supposedly it was Yeshua ben Joseph. If you examine the stories about him in the new testament, and then look at the requirements of what a moishe would be in the jewish culture and religion of the time, then, no, no he did not meet the requirements.

 

[RAMOSS]

Your online presence angry cat named RAMOSS is the only presence I have been communicating with, I have no knowledge whatsoever what your offline presence is like.

Okay show me your offline presence. Show me my offline presence.

Hmmmm In this environment you could fit the definition of a spirit but not the divine because you are incapable of providing that physical one rutabaga.

Roseann:comp:

Yet, it is physically possible for someone to track me down, and find out my real physical presence. Just like I can physically use this medium to give specific instructions for you to track down and independently verify the existence of the rutabaga in your real life. I can convey the information and steps needed for independent verification of the existence of a rutabaga via use of the communication tool of 'online'. Someone unwillingness to act on that information does not mean that information can not be relayed.

 

[CharisRose]

As am I. It's always nice to get fresh perspectives.

Thank You

Roseann:2wave:

 

[CharisRose]

Yet, it is physically possible for someone to track me down, and find out my real physical presence. Just like I can physically use this medium to give specific instructions for you to track down and independently verify the existence of the rutabaga in your real life. I can convey the information and steps needed for independent verification of the existence of a rutabaga via use of the communication tool of 'online'. Someone unwillingness to act on that information does not mean that information can not be relayed.

I prefer communicating with your online presence. By the way, I do not doubt you have a physical presence in the physical world. I agree, you can use your physical equipment to give specific instructions to track down and independently verify the existence of the rutabaga in my physical life. Yes you can convey info and steps needed for independent verification of the existence of a rutabaga via the use of the physical equipment that helps you access your online presence.

I am unwilling to help you prove the physical evidence I seek.

I am simply holding you to the same "show me" standard you expect from the people posting here.

So, show me without my help that one physical rutabaga.

Roseann

 

[RAMOSS]

I prefer communicating with your online presence. By the way, I do not doubt you have a physical presence in the physical world. I agree, you can use your physical equipment to give specific instructions to track down and independently verify the existence of the rutabaga in my physical life. Yes you can convey info and steps needed for independent verification of the existence of a rutabaga via the use of the physical equipment that helps you access your online presence.

I am unwilling to help you prove the physical evidence I seek.

I am simply holding you to the same "show me" standard you expect from the people posting here.

So, show me without my help that one physical rutabaga.

Roseann

IN that case, it is your unwillingness to examine the evidence, not the evidence itself. And that, of course, is a different case all together. With the physical, it passes the 'show me' test. Instructions can be given so people can independently examine the claims and test for the results.

When it comes to some things , like 'spirituality' and 'god', you can not even define it in a fashion that does not rely on terms that are entirely conceptual or testable.

 

[devildavid]

How do you KNOW this? Otherwise, it's just your BELIEF vs my belief.

So if spiritual is not made up, what is it? Oh yeah, that's right, it's a non-physical thing that can't be held to physical rules of evidence. Thus, anyone can claim anything they like about spiritual because there is no way to verify the accuracy of the claim. Sounds like something made up to me.

 

[devildavid]

I am not playing games. OK, so you don't believe I exist. Ok, we are not really posting and we just believe we are. Those words do not change the fact, that you are still unable to provide a physical rutabaga in this environment and that you are unwilling to accept that limitation.

Roseann

All we have are words here. Isn't that what you said? My words change everything and control reality here. Rutabaga.

 

[CharisRose]

IN that case, it is your unwillingness to examine the evidence, not the evidence itself. And that, of course, is a different case all together. With the physical, it passes the 'show me' test. Instructions can be given so people can independently examine the claims and test for the results.

When it comes to some things , like 'spirituality' and 'god', you can not even define it in a fashion that does not rely on terms that are entirely conceptual or testable.

The case is not my unwillingness to help you prove the evidence you want me to examine to prove your evidence. Correct, it is not the evidence itself that is limited.

It is simply your inability due to the limitations of this environment to produce the physical evidence I seek and your refusal to accept that fact.

Yes, in the physical world, the physical passes the 'show me' test. In fact, it is quite simple to find physical evidence in a physical world.

Example: You and I could walk all around this physical planet with you pointing at all the physical objects saying that it physical, that is physical, that is physical and you would never run out of physical objects to point at and I would agree with you about every object you point at and we could do that for a lifetime. But, it would be a waste of time and effort.

In this environment your one rutabaga is not testable. Yes, you can define the one physical rutabaga because you have actually used your physical senses to get that information and you have knowledge that it can be tested for DNA and where to find the rutabaga.

However, in this environment you are limited to the use of only words and the thinking process of the reader concerning the one rutabaga you say exists in the physical world.

When it comes to some things , like 'spirituality' and 'God', I must define them in a fashion based on your terms?

Plus, I must also follow your terms and be willing to help you prove your physical evidence via your instructions?

Show me the one physical rutabaga in this environment without my help.

Roseann

 

[CharisRose]

All we have are words here. Isn't that what you said? My words change everything and control reality here. Rutabaga.

Yes, that is what I said. Wishful thinking. Just a word. Not an actual physical rutabaga. Show me an actual physical rutabaga in this environment.

Roseann

 

[RAMOSS]

Yes, that is what I said. Wishful thinking. Just a word. Not an actual physical rutabaga. Show me an actual physical rutabaga in this environment.

Roseann

Why narrow down the definition of 'this environment' to be something artifical. It sounds like.. well, word games and dishonesty to me.

 

[CharisRose]

Why narrow down the definition of 'this environment' to be something artifical. It sounds like.. well, word games and dishonesty to me.

Sorry, but I do not understand what you mean by the following sentence? Why narrow down the definition of 'this environment' to be something artificial. Please explain.

 

[RAMOSS]

Sorry, but I do not understand what you mean by the following sentence? Why narrow down the definition of 'this environment' to be something artificial. Please explain.

You are limiting 'this environment' to be electronic communication. However, "The environment" has electronic communication as just a subjection of it. There is the offline environment, and then there is the phyisical interface of an electronic device, that moves symbols around the globe. Why narrow it down to symbols?