Gettysburg[W:176]

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Moderator's Warning:

Cut out the personal comments, and discuss the topic.

 

[danielpalos]

Rebuttal: You made no compelling argument for a withdraw leading to "isolate, surround, and eliminate" the Confederacy's ability to fight.

Yes, I did. The North had a giant anaconda plan and merely needed a midget anaconda plan as well.

 

[danielpalos]

I would not know. I'm not right wing. I am, however, a student of military history. When you make sense you'll get a more substantive response.

You have nothing but fallacy. Why not come up with actual arguments so we can discuss the topic.

 

[Jack Hays]

You have nothing but fallacy. Why not come up with actual arguments so we can discuss the topic.

You'll have to provide something substantive first.

 

[Atheist 2020]

Ahem. Gettysburg took place about a year before the March to the Sea began.

I know, but the story has to deal with Gettysburg and dealing with General Lee invading the north mirrors with General Sherman. General Lee understood he would be pushed back to the south. With General Sherman, he really had nothing to stop him with the invasion that split the Confederacy.

 

[Jack Hays]

I know, but the story has to deal with Gettysburg and dealing with General Lee invading the north mirrors with General Sherman. General Lee understood he would be pushed back to the south. With General Sherman, he really had nothing to stop him with the invasion that split the Confederacy.

Lee's plan was to dictate peace after defeating the Union north of Washington.

 

[Atheist 2020]

Lee's plan was to dictate peace after defeating the Union north of Washington.

Jefferson Davis must have built cities in the sky. In the end, the union forces was 2.5 to 1 with men in arms. No commander of a army ever surrendered to General Lee.

 

[Jack Hays]

Jefferson Davis must have built cities in the sky. In the end, the union forces was 2.5 to 1 with men in arms. No commander of a army ever surrendered to General Lee.

The fact that Lee failed does not change his objective.

 

[Atheist 2020]

The fact that Lee failed does not change his objective.

If Lee captured Buffalo New York to divide the United States I would agree with you. But if I was the commanding general I would try to push Lee more to the north. In fact, I would push Lee to move into Canada. That would get the United Kingdom to help the north.

 

[Jack Hays]

If Lee captured Buffalo New York to divide the United States I would agree with you. But if I was the commanding general I would try to push Lee more to the north. In fact, I would push Lee to move into Canada. That would get the United Kingdom to help the north.

Lee intended to engage the Army of the Potomac in battle and destroy it. He wasn't going to be pushed anywhere.

 

[Atheist 2020]

Lee intended to engage the Army of the Potomac in battle and destroy it. He wasn't going to be pushed anywhere.

It was the error of the commanding officer that confronted Lee. If it was me, I would be pushing Lee more to the north. Push him into Canada or push him to the Great Lakes. Then crush him

 

[Jack Hays]

It was the error of the commanding officer that confronted Lee. If it was me, I would be pushing Lee more to the north. Push him into Canada or push him to the Great Lakes. Then crush him

Perhaps if Grant had been in command, but Meade didn't have that in him. Moreover, the political cost of bringing the war deeper into the north would have been high.

 

[danielpalos]

You'll have to provide something substantive first.

lol. Read the thread; you allege to have some sort of argumentative challenge.

 

[Jack Hays]

Lee had to force a Union defeat, with limited resources and limited time. Choosing the best ground was, "expensive in both".

mobile confederate artillery was supposed to provide support to the confederate assault brigades; for maximum force at any given point.

Are these your first posts?
Any time a battle became an artillery contest the North had a clear advantage. The North's artillery was significantly superior.
Pickett's charge was doomed from the start.

 

[danielpalos]

Are these your first posts?
Any time a battle became an artillery contest the North had a clear advantage. The North's artillery was significantly superior.
Pickett's charge was doomed from the start.

mobile confederate artillery was supposed to provide support to the confederate assault brigades; for maximum force at any given point.

what part of that, do you not get?

 

[Jack Hays]

mobile confederate artillery was supposed to provide support to the confederate assault brigades; for maximum force at any given point.

what part of that, do you not get?

Please cite a Confederate source to support that claim. At one level it's a commonplace idea for both sides. If you're positing some extraordinary level of mobility then I'll have to see a source beyond your imagination.

 

[danielpalos]

Please cite a Confederate source to support that claim. At one level it's a commonplace idea for both sides. If you're positing some extraordinary level of mobility then I'll have to see a source beyond your imagination.

I thought you studied history?

 

[Jack Hays]

I thought you studied history?

Which is why I suspect you are ignorant of the topic.

 

[danielpalos]

Which is why I suspect you are ignorant of the topic.

mobile confederate artillery was supposed to provide support to the confederate assault brigades; for maximum force at any given point.

what part of that, do you not get?

 

[Jack Hays]

mobile confederate artillery was supposed to provide support to the confederate assault brigades; for maximum force at any given point.

what part of that, do you not get?

Again, please cite any actual Confederate making a claim that Confederate artillery was anything out of the ordinary for both sides. Otherwise your statement is just a truism.

 

[danielpalos]

Again, please cite any actual Confederate making a claim that Confederate artillery was anything out of the ordinary for both sides. Otherwise your statement is just a truism.

watch the movie; Lee clearly claims the artillery is supposed to advance with the infantry assault.

why not learn about mobile artillery, like any Good student of History, would do.

 

[Jack Hays]

watch the movie; Lee clearly claims the artillery is supposed to advance with the infantry assault.

why not learn about mobile artillery?

Good God. No, he doesn't. He says the Confederate artillery will move the Union troops off Cemetery Ridge or break up their resistance. As it happened, the Confederates were outgunned.

 

[danielpalos]

Good God. No, he doesn't. He says the Confederate artillery will move the Union troops off Cemetery Ridge or break up their resistance. As it happened, the Confederates were outgunned.

You missed it, then. I think Lee was trying to convince Longstreet of the assault.

 

[Jack Hays]

You missed it, then. I think Lee was trying to convince Longstreet of the assault.

No, I did not. I have seen that film dozens of times. Lee never claims the artillery will move forward to support the assault.

 

[danielpalos]

No, I did not. I have seen that film dozens of times. Lee never claims the artillery will move forward to support the assault.

I heard it; that is why I brought it up. In any case, most Southern artillery was decentralized to the Corp level. Any corp assault would involve, corp artillery.