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Germany just ban conversion therapy for minors

AmNat said:
This is correct. One can add and remove parts, engage in make believe, etc. but your sex can't actually be changed.
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Nobody claimed otherwise.

No. They were born with a biological sex.
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Stating the obvious.

Some people, sadly, experience delusional disorders (of largely unknown causation) which make them believe they're the opposite of what they actually are. Some children are unfortunate enough to have parents that either deliberately foster these delusions, or try to induce them for their own psychotic reasons. All of these people are unfortunate to live in a society where there delusions are promoted and celebrated by the culture and by medical personnel who should know better.
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Celebrating psychosis and delusions? :lamo I didn't know you were funny.

Mutilation is literally what "gender transitioning" is. You denying this is only evidence of your own ideological dogmatism and ignorance.
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Ok what kind of mutilation they have been doing on children?
 
AmNat said:
If a child can "consent" to changing their gender they can certainly consent to talk therapy.



Are you under the impression that all "conversion therapy" involves electroshocks?

In any case, I'm pretty sure electroshock therapy on minors or incompetents is already illegal in most places without a court order.



The fact that people drug and mutilate children bothers me.
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Yes, every instance of this “gay conversion therapy” has involved varying forms of abuse. The “therapy” is designed to create a negative association with any kind of homosexual thought or images through pain. That’s what it is. I know, you probably weren’t personally aware of this. Why would you be? But now that you know, surely you do not support it.
 
marke said:
The devil's crowd despises God and morality. Of course they will advocate for converting straights into gays but not gays into straights.
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Who has advocated for converting straights into gays?
 
Deuce said:
Yes, every instance of this “gay conversion therapy” has involved varying forms of abuse. The “therapy” is designed to create a negative association with any kind of homosexual thought or images through pain. That’s what it is. I know, you probably weren’t personally aware of this. Why would you be? But now that you know, surely you do not support it.
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You obviously do not know what you're talking about. Plenty of practitioners of conversion therapy do not use aversion, and in any case no legal prohibition on conversion therapy limits itself to aversion. Moreover, it's already illegal to force minors to view pornography, which is required for the sort of "therapy" you're talking about.
 
marke said:
The devil's crowd despises God and morality. Of course, they will advocate for converting straights into gays but not gays into straights.
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Your god, if he exists, made them gay or transgendered, soo you are criticizing his work and his decisions.

There is not and can be no religious morality because of the idea that your god claims to be both omniscient and omnipotent. If the deity is omniscient then he knew what you were going to be before you were born and he knew how you are going to act before you do so you have no choice in either if your life and your actions are knowable. You may have the appearance of free will but if your god is omniscient then you do not have true free will that is necessary for morality because you need to have the choice of right or wrong and you willfully choose to do the right thing for there to be morality.
This fact also negates the idea of sin and prayer. You logically cannot be blamed for something that you had no choice in which negates sin. Prayer cannot be possible if your actions and life are preplanned because you are asking your omniscient and omnipotent deity to change his mind because of the beliefs of his stupid and emotional creations. Do you understand the butterfly effect?

You e nothing but a puppet for him to play with.
If your god isn't omniscient and omnipotent then why do you call him god?
 
AmNat said:
You obviously do not know what you're talking about. Plenty of practitioners of conversion therapy do not use aversion, and in any case no legal prohibition on conversion therapy limits itself to aversion. Moreover, it's already illegal to force minors to view pornography, which is required for the sort of "therapy" you're talking about.
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Conversion or reparative therapy is dangerous and ineffective quackery..
APA Reiterates Strong Opposition to Conversion Therapy

APA Applauds SAMHSA Report Calling For End To 'Conversion Therapy' For Youth
 
marke said:
Hollywood actors, dummass politicians, judges, teachers and media propagandists, to name a few.
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I want you to post links to support these claims.
 
Lisa said:
Your god, if he exists, made them gay or transgendered, soo you are criticizing his work and his decisions.

There is not and can be no religious morality because of the idea that your god claims to be both omniscient and omnipotent. If the deity is omniscient then he knew what you were going to be before you were born and he knew how you are going to act before you do so you have no choice in either if your life and your actions are knowable. You may have the appearance of free will but if your god is omniscient then you do not have true free will that is necessary for morality because you need to have the choice of right or wrong and you willfully choose to do the right thing for there to be morality.
This fact also negates the idea of sin and prayer. You logically cannot be blamed for something that you had no choice in which negates sin. Prayer cannot be possible if your actions and life are preplanned because you are asking your omniscient and omnipotent deity to change his mind because of the beliefs of his stupid and emotional creations. Do you understand the butterfly effect?

You e nothing but a puppet for him to play with.
If your god isn't omniscient and omnipotent then why do you call him god?
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Ancient gods and goddesses weren't considered omniscient and omnipotent. They just had more knowledge and power than mortals. Problem solved.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Ancient gods and goddesses weren't considered omniscient and omnipotent. They just had more knowledge and power than mortals. Problem solved.
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If the god isn't omniscient and omnipotent then it can't hear your prayer or nor can it answer them.

How can a good who isn't omnipotent create a universe?
 
Lisa said:
Your god, if he exists, made them gay or transgendered, soo you are criticizing his work and his decisions.
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God does not turn humans into murderers or perverts. They do that to themselves by living in rebellion against Jesus as Lord and Savior.
 
Lisa said:
I want you to post links to support these claims.
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Hollywood actors, dummass politicians, teachers and propagandists promote the conversion of straights into gays by condemning opposition to sodomy.
 
AmNat said:
If a child can "consent" to changing their gender they can certainly consent to talk therapy.



Are you under the impression that all "conversion therapy" involves electroshocks?

In any case, I'm pretty sure electroshock therapy on minors or incompetents is already illegal in most places without a court order.



The fact that people drug and mutilate children bothers me.
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Drop the hysterics.

Nobody is drugging and mutilating children against their will unless organ transplants are also drugging and mutilating children. Transgendered care is very strictly controlled.

You have been blocked
 
marke said:
God does not turn humans into murderers or perverts. They do that to themselves by living in rebellion against Jesus as Lord and Savior.
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This is religious apologetics with nothing factual to support it.
 
Lisa said:
If the god isn't omniscient and omnipotent then it can't hear your prayer or nor can it answer them.

How can a good who isn't omnipotent create a universe?
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So, a god has to be all powerful and all knowing, or else it doesn't know anything and can't do anything? Are you aware that your thinking is illogical? Probably not.

No one knows how the universe was created, you are just bleating stuff you wrote some term paper on.
 
marke said:
Hollywood actors, dummass politicians, judges, teachers and media propagandists, to name a few.
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Then you should have no trouble providing a credible link to them doing this.
 
Good4Nothin said:
So, a god has to be all powerful and all knowing, or else it doesn't know anything and can't do anything? Are you aware that your thinking is illogical? Probably not.

No one knows how the universe was created, you are just bleating stuff you wrote some term paper on.
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The idea of a god is inherently illogical, but it is very easy and doesn't require critical thought. Devout theistic religious belief in the 21st centiry is absurd.

The fact that you appear to believe in god despite the absolute dearth of evidence to support the claim that any god has ever existed. The bible isn't the word of god and it wasn't written by god, so you cannot use the existence of the bible to prove that your Abrahamic god exists. The bible claims that you god created the heaven and earth but now you want to change that. How can your god be claimed to be less than omnipotent if his believers claim that he created everything that exists?

The Bible claims that your god is all powerful and all knowing. Do you believe that or do you plan to try to twist that claim to rationalize your religious beliefs and continue the possibility of some form of a god existing?

And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, "Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns (Revelation 19:6).

And he is the radiance of his glory and the exact representation of his nature, and upholds all things by the word of his power. When he had made purification of sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high (Hebrews 1:3).

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1).

The Abrahamic god is all knowing, omniscient. Is the bible wrong or do you prefer to change the definitions to support your interpretation?
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10).

“Who can fathom the Spirit of the LORD, or instruct the LORD as his counselor? Whom did the LORD consult to enlighten him, and who taught him the right way? Who was it that taught him knowledge, or showed him the path of understanding?” (Isaiah 40:13-14).

“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4).
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marke said:
They condemn opposition to sodomy, thereby promoting sodomy.
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People are born with an innate sexual orientation and cannot be converted to being homosexual or bisexual any more than you can convert someone to change their natural eye or height.
Did someone ever try to convert to to being gay or bisexual?

Do you obey all of the passages of Leviticus equally or just the passages that agree with your current opinions? When was the last time that you condemned someone for wearing blended fabric or eating a bacon wrapped scallop?
 
Lisa said:
You should stick with stalking Greta and stay out of topics that you don't understand. Conversion therapy, like reparative therapy which tries too make LGBT heterosexual or CIS, is banned because it is both ineffectual and dangerous.
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Pro tip: Don't post this way to me again.
 
Deuce said:
Incorrect, because you don’t understand the difference between the two.

The forcible “gay conversion therapy” is literally torturing a child, not a medical procedure.
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Liberal logic:

We disagree with something = It's torture

We agree = It's therapy

:donkeyfla
 
AmNat said:
If a child can "consent" to changing their gender they can certainly consent to talk therapy.

Are you under the impression that all "conversion therapy" involves electroshocks?

In any case, I'm pretty sure electroshock therapy on minors or incompetents is already illegal in most places without a court order.

The fact that people drug and mutilate children bothers me.
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Er-oh redux.
 
AmNat said:
This is correct. One can add and remove parts, engage in make believe, etc. but your sex can't actually be changed.

No. They were born with a biological sex. Some people, sadly, experience delusional disorders (of largely unknown causation) which make them believe they're the opposite of what they actually are. Some children are unfortunate enough to have parents that either deliberately foster these delusions, or try to induce them for their own psychotic reasons. All of these people are unfortunate to live in a society where there delusions are promoted and celebrated by the culture and by medical personnel who should know better.

Mutilation is literally what "gender transitioning" is. You denying this is only evidence of your own ideological dogmatism and ignorance.
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If you're saying my dog isn't my cat, that's racist. :2mad:
 
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