George Zimmerman sues Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren over tweets honouring Trayvon Martin

[cabse5]

Same reason I posted yesterday. Did you forget already? Not see it? Just don't like it so you'll keep asking until you get an answer that fits your paradigm?

Who says Martin was committing a crime? Are you saying Zimmerman committed a crime? Who was on the phone to the police and who only called his girlfriend?
Why do you think Martin didn't report the "creepy-assed cracker" to the police?

Look, Martin didn't commit a crime until he bashed Zimmerman's head on the concrete.

What cause did Zimmerman have to follow Martin? The spate of burglaries in the area. Zimmerman was being vigilant to further burglaries.

 

[Divine_Wind]

you are making the assumption that it was self defense. i don't think you know what self defense is.
what martin was doing was self defense.

you are the one making that claim. I am making the claim that zimmerman committed manslaughter when he shot martin.
martin was defending himself against an unknown male adult that was chasing him around for no reason.

you need to get your argument and what people are saying straight because right now you seem a little lost or you are just being
dishonest on purpose.

Dude, you are free to make up whatever stories you like but I'll go with the court case and the judicial results.

When a person starts lying about me, insulting me or otherwise responding over-emotionally, I can see no further discussion is possible. This isn't grade school and there are better, more intellectual people in which to have a mature conversation.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Look, Martin didn't commit a crime until he bashed Zimmerman's head on the concrete.

What cause did Zimmerman have to follow Martin? The spate of burglaries in the area. Zimmerman was being vigilant to further burglaries.

You should scroll up, read the pro-Martin posts and respond to them.

 

[roguenuke]

Called him a white supremacist.

Where exactly did they call Zimmerman specifically a white supremacist?

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[marke]

If someone jumps me and is pounding my head on the ground then I am able, by law, to use deadly force to stop that violent attack.

Martin could have accidentally killed Zimmerman by banging his head on the sidewalk like that.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Martin could have accidentally killed Zimmerman by banging his head on the sidewalk like that.

T's actions were not accidental.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Not a 911 dispatcher. Not a police officer.
And the person was not ignored.

And even if the person had been a police officer they would have had no authority to give any orders to be followed. It is a liability issue. An officer has to be present to to give orders.

Wrong.

You clearly need to read the transcript as the non-emergency number call-taker did nto tell Zimmerman any such thing. The call-taker made a suggestion that they did not need him to do that.
Zimmerman acknowledged the suggestion and followed it.

Wrong.



You are involved in make believe.
Trayvon was gone when Zimmerman got to the intersecting T of the sidewalks, of which Zimmerman relayed to the call-taker.



Besides being wrong you again show you do not know enough about the case to be discussing it. It was not a she.
Nor was he told not to follow.


Again show you do not know enough about the case to be discussing it.
It was a non-emergency number call-taker and Zimmerman followed the suggestion given.


He is not wrong.
That is the known evidence.
Trayvon then came out of hiding and attacked Zimmerman from his left rear as Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle.
.
You simply do not know enough about the case to be discussing it.


That is not what happened,

You again show you do not know enough about the case to even be discussing it.


You again show you do not know enough about the case to even be discussing it.Trayvon was old enough to be emancipated and was a young adult and in this case he was a suspicious person being kept under observation until the police arrived.
Not a kid being followed ...



Sure, yet he didn't, he instead attacked.



You again show you do not know enough about the case to even be discussing it.
Zimmerman had only followed for a very short distance before the suggestion, and then when the suggestion was made he followed it and went in another direction.


You again show you do not know enough about the case to even be discussing it.

It was a suggestion by a male call -taker. Not a she.
And that suggestion was followed.


Wrong.
When the majority of you comments are not even based in fact or evidence as yours clearly are not, and only represent a shallow understanding at most, there is something very wrong going on on your end.

^^ You could not have describe your view/belief any better.

Aside from being correct about the “call taker” not being a 911 dispatcher and being male, you are factually wrong about virtually everything else you assert.

- Zimmerman followed Martin, who was doing nothing wrong. At one point, based on audio recording, running after Martin.

- Martin was a minor, minding his own business on the property where his father was a resident.

He was not a “suspicious person being kept under observation until the police arrived.” Your personal perspective on this point is completely irrelevant.

- Had Zimmerman minded his own business on February 26th, 2012, Trayvon Martin would not have been killed.

 

[KLATTU]

^

- Had Zimmerman minded his own business on February 26th, 2012, Trayvon Martin would not have been killed.

And MArtin would still be alive if just chose to keep walking.
Both true ,but no legal relevance.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

And MArtin would still be alive if just chose to keep walking.
Both true ,but no legal relevance.

Everything that happened that evening was predicated by Zimmerman’s actions.

 

[KLATTU]

Everything that happened that evening was predicated by Zimmerman’s actions.

No it wasn't. Stop lying. Martin could have just ignored him
Legally *everything * was predicated by Martin's actions because he attacked the guy. There is no law against following somebody.

Bottom line never attack anybody because it might be some nut with a gun.

 

[Court Jester]

Zimmerman = Serious nutjob

BINGO!

A lot of people here spin their wheels talking about the jury transcripts, the fornsic evidence, the stand your ground law in Florida, and the fact that Zimmerman had a right to defend his life at the moment he needed to do so. But HE IS A SERIOUS NUTJOB--- a person who makes poor choices-- a LOOSE CANON FACTORY.

He was that the day he got out of his car with his gun, and he was that in several subsequent incidents where he showed piss poor judgement.


He is NO HEREO, and when I think of Zimmerman I think of Rodney King the same way. Some people look at the one incident and judge these guys as victims, when in reality they are/were total knuckleheads once you take into account the sum total of the incidents they were willfully involved after the first incidents which made them famous.

I had Zimmerman pegged after watching the full criminal trial and taking into account all the facts and testimony. This guy is the WORST example of how a person with concealed carry permit should conduct themselves. Yes, he had the right to defend his life and NO to injecting himself and his weapon into a situation the way he did. He chose poorly.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Where exactly did they call Zimmerman specifically a white supremacist?

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When they used Martins death as a rallying cry against “white supremacy” in the very tweet.

 

[Court Jester]

There was no chase.

The rest of your opinion is just nonsense.

Not many people dismiss my thoughtful consideration on my opinion of the Zimmerman case as nonsense. PURSUED if you prefer. Which is what Zimmerman did when he exited his vehicle. He pursued Martin to see where he was going and what he was doing. Zimmerman was MOVING and searching for Martin.

Zimmerman was fine to observe, and fine to call the police upon his reasonable suspicions, but he was specifically told not to follow the subject by the dispatcher--- that is IN THE RECORD. Also in the record was the conversation he had with dispatcher where Zimmerman asked how long before someone arrives because as Zimmerman said in frustration, "these assholes always get away"-- those were Zimmerman's words. An indication of his state of mind at that moment. Zimmerman showed a clear indication that he wanted to catch the guy and that he was in pursuit of Martin. Not 'hot pursuit", and if I said chase, I didn't mean to say Zimmerman jumped out of his car and was running. But keep in mind that also in the recorded call to the dispatcher Zimmerman said at one point that Martin was "running now" (Martin on his phone call his female friend said, "I am going to walk fast").

So call it semantics, but it is CLEAR that Zimmerman was in pursuit of Martin. To chase does not necessarily mean to run, it includes to hunt, pursue, and follow after as well.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

No it wasn't. Stop lying. Martin could have just ignored him
Legally *everything * was predicated by Martin's actions because he attacked the guy. There is no law against following somebody.

Bottom line never attack anybody because it might be some nut with a gun.

Lies are your thing, not mine.

It is an inarguable fact that Zimmerman’s actions precipitated the killing of Martin.

 

[Ouroboros]

Yes, I thought you would say that. A president commenting on things you agree is OK. No matter how vulgar and unpresidential that comment may be

Sorry you didn't understand the distinction I made between the two types of Trump-comment.

 

[KLATTU]

Lies are your thing, not mine.

It is an inarguable fact that Zimmerman’s actions precipitated the killing of Martin.

Nope. Martin ATTACKEd Zimmerman . That's the official ruling in a court of law with cross examined testimony. I realize as a pandering white liberal you always take the black person's side, but you are dead wrong. and you know it. Stop lying.

 

[Court Jester]

It is an inarguable fact that Zimmerman’s actions precipitated the killing of Martin.

^^^

BINGO!

The first thing preceded the final outcome. Zimmerman created by his own actions and decisions what eventually ended up with the death of person who was not committing any crimes. Trayvon Martin's personal history, possible drug use, other possible crimes, or his attitude did not matter; Zimmerman alone acted unreasonably. There was ZERO compelling reason for Zimmerman to inject himself and his firearm into a situation that at most may have only been a property crime (Zimmerman's suspicion--- an incorrect one at that).

 

[Citizen]

If I was being followed, I would take the long way around and get home as fast as I could.

In this case Zimmerman lost Martin, and Martin came back to get violent.

Please stop trying to portray Martin as an innocent in this.

That is Zimmerman's testimony. I don't beleive him based upon his other behaviors.

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George Zimmerman is online posting pics of Trayvon Martin's dead body right now. Let that sink in America. #blacklivesmatter

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https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/638192572511453185?s=20

He’s also been back in the courtroom several times since the Martin trial. Less than a month after his acquittal, Zimmerman was pulled over for speeding, CNN reported. According to dashcam footage, he allegedly had a gun on him and the officer said, “Don’t play with your firearm, OK?”
Later in 2013, he was arrested and charged with felony aggravated assault for allegedly pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend. The case was later dropped. Two years later, he was arrested again — this time for charges of domestic aggravated assault for allegedly throwing a bottle of wine at his girlfriend — and again the charges were later dropped. Finally, last May, Zimmerman was shot, receiving minor injuries, during a dispute with a motorist named Matthew Apperson. In 2014, Apperson had called the police in a different dispute, saying Zimmerman had allegedly threatened him by saying, “Do you know who I am?” and “I’ll f—ing kill you,” according to Vox.

In fact, his legal troubles go back to 2005, when he was arrested twice. First in a domestic dispute that ended with a broken engagement and a restraining order filed against him. Then, for the battery of an officer after he shoved an undercover agent who was arresting Zimmerman’s underage friend for being in a bar.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-controversies-since-the-trayvon-martin-case/

I really don't understand how he can be thought of as an average citizen and the kid he shot as a thug. Must be about race. That is all I can conclude.

 

[Citizen]

Sorry you didn't understand the distinction I made between the two types of Trump-comment.

I understood. I also understand that you don't mind a president making vulgar and un-presidential comments. Somehow Obama just saying that the kid could have been his son was far worst.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Nope. Martin ATTACKEd Zimmerman . That's the official ruling in a court of law with cross examined testimony. I realize as a pandering white liberal you always take the black person's side, but you are dead wrong. and you know it. Stop lying.

You’re ridiculous. Seriously, you are.

I made no reference to Zimmerman’s trial, or assert that Zimmerman didn’t have a right to defend himself.

 

[What if...?]

So, by your evidence, Zimmerman was convicted of murder. Sorry, but the facts prove otherwise.

There was only his word, and the evidence more or less supported it.

But nobody but Z and M know exactly what happened when they came together.

And people lie all the time to get out of trouble.

There still comes a point when your actions prior to an event weigh against the outcome.

Do you honestly think Z would have followed M I to the dark if he wasn't packing?

I don't.

His "injuries" didn't seem to support his story either. Do you think he looked like he took a beating?

Those scratches with no swelling or bruising sure didn't look like his head was being beaten on concrete to me.

Again, I think it was all a tragic accident, for which Z deserved some criticism for his role in.
I don't think he murdered M, but I suspect that video of the whole confrontation would have gotten him a manslaughter charge.

 

[What if...?]

If that were true, Martin would have gone home when Zimmerman lost him and Martin was no longer in his sight, but he didn't.

Unless of course he was out of breath from running and stopped for a minute then saw Z approaching on foot.

At which point many of his defenders would have quite likely confronted him.

And possibly ended up dead for it.

 

[Ouroboros]

I understood. I also understand that you don't mind a president making vulgar and un-presidential comments. Somehow Obama just saying that the kid could have been his son was far worst.

If you want to claim that Trump should not have referred to Kaepernick as a "SOB," I would agree with that. But your objection did not address Trump's vulgarity, only the idea of his criticizing public figures. I think that he ought to keep quiet on some things, but he does have the right to denounce public figures if he doesn't like their politics.

He may have dissed Kaepernick's politics, but he didn't do anything to him. A worse example of Obama's policies would be allowing his administration to put Dinesh D'Souza in prison for excessive political contributions.

 

[Citizen]

If you want to claim that Trump should not have referred to Kaepernick as a "SOB," I would agree with that. But your objection did not address Trump's vulgarity, only the idea of his criticizing public figures. I think that he ought to keep quiet on some things, but he does have the right to denounce public figures if he doesn't like their politics.

He may have dissed Kaepernick's politics, but he didn't do anything to him. A worse example of Obama's policies would be allowing his administration to put Dinesh D'Souza in prison for excessive political contributions.

And Obama's comment did nothing to Zimmerman. Dinesh D'Souza broke the law. I thought conservatives were supposed to be rule of law people. Giving illegal campaign contributions is against the law. BTW, unlike trump interfering in what federal prosecutors do, this was a federal case in which the president did not interfere. We are supposed to have separation of powers here. Lets not forget that even though trump does not adhere to it. And Obama had the right to say that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon. Just to put a human element to the kid instead of the right rightwing pushing falsehoods about him. He was not a drug dealer, thug or gangster. He was just a kid walking home from the store and Zimmerman is a low-life thug.

 

[Ouroboros]

And Obama's comment did nothing to Zimmerman. Dinesh D'Souza broke the law. I thought conservatives were supposed to be rule of law people. Giving illegal campaign contributions is against the law. BTW, unlike trump interfering in what federal prosecutors do, this was a federal case in which the president did not interfere. We are supposed to have separation of powers here. Lets not forget that even though trump does not adhere to it. And Obama had the right to say that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon. Just to put a human element to the kid instead of the right rightwing pushing falsehoods about him. He was not a drug dealer, thug or gangster. He was just a kid walking home from the store and Zimmerman is a low-life thug.

I've identified my "lean" and reject your interpretation as to my conservatism.

You should try to stick with the main topic, which is whether or not Trump has the right to voice his opinions, given that Obama did so on various occasions, as well as taking offensive action against political enemies on the sly.