George Zimmerman sues Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren over tweets honouring Trayvon Martin

[ttwtt78640]

how dare a 17 year old defend himself against and armed person following him.
wow.

Hmm... is following someone now assault?

 

[Divine_Wind]

You live in texas, I live thirty miles from where it happened. I think my local news covered it waaaaay more than you heard.

Do you really believe the case wasn't thoroughly covered nationally?

Fine, like Trump, you are free to believe you are the sole expert here and that you know "waaaaay more than" anyone else. Please feel free to put me on ignore since you consider all of my information flawed or wrong.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Hmm... is following someone now assault?

Not just assault, but now it's "stalking". They are advocating that if Martin had his illegal gun on him, then he could have legally shot Zimmerman. It's an odd position for a couple of reasons from people who are often anti-gun advocates, but that's what has been posted.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Not just assault, but now it's "stalking". They are advocating that if Martin had his gun on him, then he could have legally shot Zimmerman.

I have seen references to stalking and chasing as well, but not how they legally differed from following and observing. It would be interesting indeed to know the precise point at which following and observing became a criminal act and justified taking self-defense (armed or otherwise) action.

 

[Divine_Wind]

I have seen references to stalking and chasing as well, but not how they legally differed from following and observing. It would be interesting indeed to know the precise point at which following and observing became a criminal act and justified taking self-defense (armed or otherwise) action.

I've asked those who sling those terms around to define the terms but I've never seen an answer. Either they are choosing to remain ignorant, they know the answer but continue to push "the big lie" and/or they are using emotional rhetoric to press their anti-gun agenda by painting Zimmerman as a gun-crazed white supremacist intent on murdering a black child while also repeatedly posting the meme that Martin was an innocent young school child.

The race card has been thrown around several times on this thread as noted above by that categorization that Zimmerman is not only a possessor of the "white privilege" card, but also a bigot. What these anti-gun proponents fail to address is that Zimmerman is both Latino and a registered Obama-voting Democrat....although that may have changed when Obama publicly went against him and supported charges against Zimmerman before any had been filed and before the trial.

 

[What if...?]

Not just assault, but now it's "stalking". They are advocating that if Martin had his illegal gun on him, then he could have legally shot Zimmerman. It's an odd position for a couple of reasons from people who are often anti-gun advocates, but that's what has been posted.

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Put yourself in the shoes of someone just walking home from the store and some guy follows you in his truck and then gets out and continues to follow you.

No reasonable person would be less than apprehensive about it.

I neither believe Z intended to shoot M nor that M jumped out of the bushes and started beating Z.

I would put my money on them coming upon each other, in the dark, and it all going sideways from there.

I also don't believe Z didn't have his security blanket out at the time, or that he didn't go for it when they stumbled into each other. The fight may have been over the gun itself.

Las, had they both had guns, and Z survived, then he would have gotten to make up the story.

And Z's defenders would have not believed a word of it.

 

[Citizen]

Not just assault, but now it's "stalking". They are advocating that if Martin had his illegal gun on him, then he could have legally shot Zimmerman. It's an odd position for a couple of reasons from people who are often anti-gun advocates, but that's what has been posted.

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Ridiculous. White kids smoke pot and love guns. White teens on the right love guns more than those on the left. But yet and still, you want to label black kids as thugs. You are a racist twit

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Not sure what harm those tweets did to Zimmerman. It was just typical liberal white people pandering to black folks.

Called him a white supremacist.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I've asked those who sling those terms around to define the terms but I've never seen an answer. Either they are choosing to remain ignorant, they know the answer but continue to push "the big lie" and/or they are using emotional rhetoric to press their anti-gun agenda by painting Zimmerman as a gun-crazed white supremacist intent on murdering a black child while also repeatedly posting the meme that Martin was an innocent young school child.

The race card has been thrown around several times on this thread as noted above by that categorization that Zimmerman is not only a possessor of the "white privilege" card, but also a bigot. What these anti-gun proponents fail to address is that Zimmerman is both Latino and a registered Obama-voting Democrat....although that may have changed when Obama publicly went against him and supported charges against Zimmerman before any had been filed and before the trial.

Political lean and race have nothing to do with when forceful self-defense (armed or otherwise) is justified. The idea that following and observing is just cause for a physical (counter?) attack is what I am questioning.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Put yourself in the shoes of someone just walking home from the store and some guy follows you in his truck and then gets out and continues to follow you.

No reasonable person would be less than apprehensive about it.

I neither believe Z intended to shoot M nor that M jumped out of the bushes and started beating Z.

I would put my money on them coming upon each other, in the dark, and it all going sideways from there.

I also don't believe Z didn't have his security blanket out at the time, or that he didn't go for it when they stumbled into each other. The fight may have been over the gun itself.

Las, had they both had guns, and Z survived, then he would have gotten to make up the story.

And Z's defenders would have not believed a word of it.

Do you understand that Zimmerman was in his truck calling the police when Martin saw him and ran? That, while on the phone to the police, Martin exited his truck and attempted to follow the suspect?

The forensics and court testimony say you are wrong: Martin lost Zimmerman but then confronted Zimmerman as the latter was walking back to his truck whereupon he attacked Zimmerman. Do you deny that Zimmerman was on his back and then, as he was being beaten, drew his gun and shot Martin?

Forensics do tell the tale, but like Trump, you are free to ignore the facts and insert your own story.

 

[Mason66]

I don't see the word racist in there, do you? I also said the jury didn't have all the information since martin was dead and couldn't tell his side of the story. Somehow you got racist from that?

You think because you didn't use the word racist then it wasn't?

The jury had all it needed to know. The forensic evidence supported Zimmermans story, which would be good for any other case, but not this one I guess.

Do you really think the jury believed Zimmerman without taking into account the forensic evidence?

Why did you bring up the race, incorrectly by the way, if you weren't intending to call the jury racist?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

George Zimmerman is a hero to everyone who wishes they could legally murder the person kicking your ass in a fight you started.

Except Zimmerman didn’t start the fight, Trayvon did. It is impossible that Zimmerman started the fight as the only injuries on Martin were the gunshot wound and bruises on his knuckles. Meaning he took no blows from Zimmerman. and also he wasn’t merely “getting his ass kicked” he was grounded and being beaten into a cement walk, which is deadly force.

Clearly you did not watch the trial.

 

[Citizen]

Political lean and race have nothing to do with when forceful self-defense (armed or otherwise) is justified. The idea that following and observing is just cause for a physical (counter?) attack is what I am questioning.

Yeah, how comfortable would you feel if you were being followed walking home from the store. I really doubt if it happened the way Zimmerman said it did. Most people being followed feel unsafe. I know I would believe that person wants to do harm to me.

 

[rocket88]

Except Zimmerman didn’t start the fight, Trayvon did. It is impossible that Zimmerman started the fight as the only injuries on Martin were the gunshot wound and bruises on his knuckles. Meaning he took no blows from Zimmerman. and also he wasn’t merely “getting his ass kicked” he was grounded and being beaten into a cement walk, which is deadly force.

Clearly you did not watch the trial.

Unless you consider stalking to be starting something.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Zimmerman = Serious nutjob

 

[Divine_Wind]

Political lean and race have nothing to do with when forceful self-defense (armed or otherwise) is justified. The idea that following and observing is just cause for a physical (counter?) attack is what I am questioning.

Agreed 100%. OTOH, you are obviously intelligent enough to know that if this was one Latino shooting another or one black man shooting another, it wouldn't have made national news or even gone to trial. The only reason why this clear case of self-defense went to trial was because Zimmerman was tagged by the anti-gun left as a "white racist" and Martin as just another poor black child murdered at the hands of a white gunman.

On a side note, notice how the extremists on both sides flip-flop when it comes to Nickie Sandmann's confrontation with Nathan Phillip's even though both Sandmann and Martin were the same age at the times of their incidents. Why the difference? Obviously it's about race and politics. As you said, that shouldn't have mattered when looking for the truth, but, unfortunately, it appears that race and politics are all that matter to certain people.

 

[Mason66]

how dare a 17 year old defend himself against and armed person following him.
wow.

Why do you think Martin knew Zimmerman was armed?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Zimmerman = Serious nutjob

Which has nothing to do with what happened that night.

IMO, it was two less-than-100 IQ idiots who ran into each other that night; one was a wannabe cop, the other a wannbe gangsta. The wannabe gangsta attacked the wannabe cop not knowing he was armed and got shot for it as he was beating the crap out of the wannabe cop.

 

[Mason66]

I've asked those who sling those terms around to define the terms but I've never seen an answer. Either they are choosing to remain ignorant, they know the answer but continue to push "the big lie" and/or they are using emotional rhetoric to press their anti-gun agenda by painting Zimmerman as a gun-crazed white supremacist intent on murdering a black child while also repeatedly posting the meme that Martin was an innocent young school child.

The race card has been thrown around several times on this thread as noted above by that categorization that Zimmerman is not only a possessor of the "white privilege" card, but also a bigot. What these anti-gun proponents fail to address is that Zimmerman is both Latino and a registered Obama-voting Democrat....although that may have changed when Obama publicly went against him and supported charges against Zimmerman before any had been filed and before the trial.

Two things were unknown that night.

Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a gun and Zimmerman did not know Martin was under 18.

Martin is referred to as a child but physically he wasn't and I doubt Zimmerman thought he was.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Yeah, how comfortable would you feel if you were being followed walking home from the store. I really doubt if it happened the way Zimmerman said it did. Most people being followed feel unsafe. I know I would believe that person wants to do harm to me.

Hmm... which of the two decided to call for LEO assistance based on the observed behavior of the other? BTW, if one was walking "home" then they would not be headed away from that alleged destination. You can doubt all that you wish, but it was up to a jury to evaluate the evidence presented and render a verdict.

 

[Mason66]

Yeah, how comfortable would you feel if you were being followed walking home from the store. I really doubt if it happened the way Zimmerman said it did. Most people being followed feel unsafe. I know I would believe that person wants to do harm to me.

If I was being followed, I would take the long way around and get home as fast as I could.

In this case Zimmerman lost Martin, and Martin came back to get violent.

Please stop trying to portray Martin as an innocent in this.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Called him a white supremacist.

Not directly but the implication is clear. Odd that a Democrat Presidential-wannabe would imply Latino Democrat George Zimmerman was a member of the "white supremacy". IMO, Buttigieg is just pandering for the "black vote". Note the slams he took for it from African-Americans responding to his Tweet.


https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1225135191330521090?s=20
“How many 25th birthdays have been stolen from us by white supremacy, gun violence, prejudice, and fear?#BlackLivesMatter.”

 

[ttwtt78640]

Agreed 100%. OTOH, you are obviously intelligent enough to know that if this was one Latino shooting another or one black man shooting another, it wouldn't have made national news or even gone to trial. The only reason why this clear case of self-defense went to trial was because Zimmerman was tagged by the anti-gun left as a "white racist" and Martin as just another poor black child murdered at the hands of a white gunman.

On a side note, notice how the extremists on both sides flip-flop when it comes to Nickie Sandmann's confrontation with Nathan Phillip's even though both Sandmann and Martin were the same age at the times of their incidents. Why the difference? Obviously it's about race and politics. As you said, that shouldn't have mattered when looking for the truth, but, unfortunately, it appears that race and politics are all that matter to certain people.

Surely you saw that a white person, in *gasp* a MAGA hat, grinning at a person of color was a racist act of aggression.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Two things were unknown that night.

Martin didn't know Zimmerman had a gun and Zimmerman did not know Martin was under 18.

Martin is referred to as a child but physically he wasn't and I doubt Zimmerman thought he was.

Agreed. As you and others have noted elsewhere, Zimmerman assumed Martin was running for the side entrance and lost him in the darkness. He didn't know that Martin was temporarily living with his father (for being expelled from school?) and had turned down the side walk.

Martin had his own cell phone and could have called 911, but he didn't. Martin could have remained hidden, but he didn't. Instead he chose to confront the "creepy-assed cracker" as he described Zimmerman to his over-18 GF Rachel Jeantel and sought to give Zimmerman a beat down. He might have killed Zimmerman had Zimmerman not pulled out his pistol and fired.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Surely you saw that a white person, in *gasp* a MAGA hat, grinning at a person of color was a racist act of aggression.

You forget that Sandmann was described as a "young man" while Martin is a "child" as several posters and sources here claimed he was despite the fact both were 17 years old.


Videos Show a Collision of 3 Groups That Spawned a Fiery Political Moment - The New York Times
The first images to ricochet across social media showed a young man, Nick Sandmann, wearing a red “Make America Great Again” hat and appearing to be in a standoff with Nathan Phillips, the Native American man.

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Fulton’s campaign issued a statement from Pamela Goodman, president of Ruth’s List Florida, a political organization backing her commission campaign. “It is both disgusting and shameful that George Zimmerman, a man who killed an unarmed child and got away with it, is now suing Trayvon Martin’s grieving parents,” Goodman said.

'Disgraceful Sham': George Zimmerman Sues Parents of Trayvon Martin, Others for $100 Million | Common Dreams News
"Imagine killing an unarmed child and then suing his parents," tweeted Center for Policing Equity president Phillip Atiba Goff.