George Zimmerman sues Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren over tweets honouring Trayvon Martin

[americanwoman]

That's what dumb democrat donkeys said about Nicholas Sandman to Sandman's great financial benefit.

I am not surprised you chose my opinion that a road raging woman beater teenager killing asshole being a jackass as something to contradict.

Now prove your "great financial benefit" claim with evidence.

 

[ludin]

The jury decided otherwise.

Juries can be wrong.

 

[marke]

I realize that this thread is in a political forum, but there’s nothing political about what happened, so stow your dumbass “LW” garbage.

You have not stated any facts. You made an assertion that Zimmerman was walking away from Martin, towards his truck when Martin confronted him, and then asked me if I’d read the transcript as if that was somehow going to support your story.

As for the “why are you following me?” comment, that is what Martin’s girlfriend, who was on the phone with him when the confrontation happened, testified to in court.

Clearly, you don’t know **** about what happened.

Martin was guilty with assault and if he had beat Zimmerman to death he could have been eligible for the death penalty for motive. Martin acted stupidly and violently and got himself killed. End of story.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Right, and now calling for a thorough investigation is to interfere? Is that the conclusion? Because that's all his words say, that we owe it to all involved to do that investigation.

And then pretty much nothing until after the trial, and I cited his comments post not-guilty finding. He called for calm, introspection. It's kind of a sign of the times then and now that it's a matter of faith that Obama stepped way over some line then.

He did so before knowing the established facts. The established facts were enough to let him off the hook then, and why he was acquitted.

He should have never been drug through the mud like he was.

 

[Lord of Planar]

the 911 operator works for the police force. I know a friend of ours is one.

But they have no such controlling authority, and did not say it as a directive either.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Correct. Your friend can tell you that it's not illegal to not take their advice. Second, Zimmerman did take their advice and was returning to his truck when Martin attacked him.

Was he?

I don't recall that part.

 

[Lord of Planar]

yes when someone is chasing you they are the threat. zimmerman in this case was the threat.
he has 0 business chasing anyone. he is not law enforcement nor does he have any powers at all.

Is someone is chasing me you better believe that i am going defend myself if the time calls for it.
so yes facts are not on your side.

So where is Martin's 911 call that he is being stalked?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Yes there is you just said it. zimmerman was stalking travyon. that is a threat.
Travyon has no idea who is chasing him or anything else. Zimmerman fails to identify himself
in any instance.

there was plenty of evidence and both you and zimmerman testified to it.
travyon was being chased by an unidentified man. he has every right to defend himself
again such a threat.

So where is Martin's 911 call that he is being stalked?

 

[Lord of Planar]

His wife called the police on him prior to the Martin murder. Under questioning from prosecutors, Di Maio admitted he primarily focused on a statement Zimmerman gave police — and a statement by Zimmerman neighbor John Good that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman.

Di Maio testified that he did not take into account several witnesses who said Zimmerman was the aggressor in the struggle. He also said, when pressed, that Zimmerman's injuries could have been caused by rolling around on concrete with Trayvon.

Pathologist supports Zimmerman's description of attack

I don't recall seeing the wife calling the police before the incident. Only after.

Link please.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Wrong. You have it backwards.

The dispatcher asked Zimmerman to let them know what Martin was doing before telling Zimmerman not to follow Martin.

Read the transcript: Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to the Police

Zimmerman was dead wrong. He played vigilante and killed an innocent kid.

Innocent people don't plan a sneak attack, and commit first degree assault

Just where is your thinking at anyway?.

 

[Lord of Planar]

You misunderstand my position. I didn’t assert that the dispatcher ordered Zimmerman to do anything. Only that she told him not to follow Martin and he ignored the advice.

I’m well aware that dispatchers aren’t police officers (usually) and don’t have police powers. That doesn’t mean that they should be ignored. They are trained specifically for the various situations people find themselves in and generally provide sound advice/direction. Advice that Zimmerman should’ve followed.

I think you should learn the English language better. Saying a person does not need to do something is not telling them they shouldn't, or not to. It is just saying it isn't necessary.

 

[Lord of Planar]

So, if you see a man take a woman's purse and run, you wouldn't do anything because it might be morally wrong? In fact, it could turn out that it was his man-purse and the woman had stolen it from him so best to ignore it and walk away, right? Sorry, but common sense should prevail here.

Some facts:

• Zimmerman was on Neighborhood Watch.
• There had been crimes in the neighborhood.
• Martin appeared suspicious to Zimmerman because Martin was looking at the "houses" as Zimmerman was on the phone.
• When Martin saw Zimmerman sitting in his truck, he initially moved toward Zimmerman then broke and ran.
• Suspecting a criminal, Zimmerman gave chase.
• Zimmerman lost Martin and was returning to his truck as he arranged to meet the police on the phone.

Note most of that was on the transcript. Full text of "Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to the Police"

And....

There were no more burglaries in the neighborhood after he was shot.

 

[bongsaway]

If I remember correctly Zimmerman was told he didn't need to follow Martin.

Why try to make it sound like something it wasn't?

You remember incorrectly.

 

[Court Jester]

Some facts:

• Zimmerman was on Neighborhood Watch.
• There had been crimes in the neighborhood.
• Martin appeared suspicious to Zimmerman because Martin was looking at the "houses" as Zimmerman was on the phone.
• When Martin saw Zimmerman sitting in his truck, he initially moved toward Zimmerman then broke and ran.
• Suspecting a criminal, Zimmerman gave chase.
• Zimmerman lost Martin and was returning to his truck as he arranged to meet the police on the phone.

Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong up until the point he got out of his truck and gave chase. He had a right to do it, but he should have opted not to do it--- especially since he was armed and may end up introducing that firearm to the situation---which is what happened.

At the point Zimmerman drew and fired he had every right to defend his life. Problem is he failed the test of good judgement when he gave chase just based on his reasonable suspicions. This is NOT something a private citizen should be involving themselves in, especially since all Zimmerman was suspecting was a property crime. And for some reason Florida continues to have these situations with licensed concealed carry owners. Like the guy last year who confronted someone about parking in a handicapped spot, it turned into a verbal altercation, then a physical one, and eventually someone getting shot.

Like the song goes: "don't take your guns to town son". Which I don't mean literally; what I mean is don't bring your gun to an argument or a conflict unless you are doing so in defense of someone's life (not their property). Otherwise these things can go sideways fast, and as a private citizen YOU will not have the same qualified immunity a police officer has should you have to shoot someone; the legal cost and the financial risk to you isn't worth it.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Martin was guilty with assault and if he had beat Zimmerman to death he could have been eligible for the death penalty for motive. Martin acted stupidly and violently and got himself killed. End of story.

Your perfect record of getting every single thing wrong continues. :applaud

 

[bongsaway]

Did you forget the girlfriends testimony?

Who was following who? Who had a gun and who ended up dead?

As I've said, I live near where it happened and it was all over the news every day. There were no eyewitnesses, period, which only leaves zimmerman's testimony. The dead guy couldn't tell a different story as to what happened.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Who was following who? Who had a gun and who ended up dead?

As I've said, I live near where it happened and it was all over the news every day. There were no eyewitnesses, period, which only leaves zimmerman's testimony. The dead guy couldn't tell a different story as to what happened.

Martin's attack on Zimmerman was first degree assault because he bragged to his girlfriend he was going to attack him.

 

[bongsaway]

Martin's attack on Zimmerman was first degree assault because he bragged to his girlfriend he was going to attack him.

And let me remind you it was also after he told her this guy has been following him. Unlike many on the right who would have tried to solve the situation with a gun, martin confronted him without one.

The guy killed him in cold blood and walked. Stupid flori-duh strikes again.

 

[Divine_Wind]

And....

There were no more burglaries in the neighborhood after he was shot.

An interesting revelation. Any links to that as fact?

 

[Lord of Planar]

And let me remind you it was also after he told her this guy has been following him. Unlike many on the right who would have tried to solve the situation with a gun, martin confronted him without one.

The guy killed him in cold blood and walked. Stupid flori-duh strikes again.

That called self defense. Not cold blooded.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong up until the point he got out of his truck and gave chase. He had a right to do it, but he should have opted not to do it--- especially since he was armed and may end up introducing that firearm to the situation---which is what happened.

At the point Zimmerman drew and fired he had every right to defend his life. Problem is he failed the test of good judgement when he gave chase just based on his reasonable suspicions. This is NOT something a private citizen should be involving themselves in, especially since all Zimmerman was suspecting was a property crime. And for some reason Florida continues to have these situations with licensed concealed carry owners. Like the guy last year who confronted someone about parking in a handicapped spot, it turned into a verbal altercation, then a physical one, and eventually someone getting shot.

Like the song goes: "don't take your guns to town son". Which I don't mean literally; what I mean is don't bring your gun to an argument or a conflict unless you are doing so in defense of someone's life (not their property). Otherwise these things can go sideways fast, and as a private citizen YOU will not have the same qualified immunity a police officer has should you have to shoot someone; the legal cost and the financial risk to you isn't worth it.

If Zimmerman ran after Martin with his gun drawn, then Zimmerman was in the wrong. Since he didn't and only drew when he feared for his life as Martin was pounding his head into the ground, then Zimmerman was in the right.....just as a jury determined.

 

[bongsaway]

That called self defense. Not cold blooded.

In my mind, when you stalk someone you can't claim self defense and yet he did and since martin was dead he couldn't contest zimmerman's story.

But hey, feel free to keep defending zimmerman. You folks on the right seem to be attracted to this kind of person.

 

[Lord of Planar]

In my mind, when you stalk someone you can't claim self defense and yet he did and since martin was dead he couldn't contest zimmerman's story.

But hey, feel free to keep defending zimmerman. You folks on the right seem to be attracted to this kind of person.

Your opinion is noted. The Jury thought otherwise with all the facts.

 

[bongsaway]

Your opinion is noted. The Jury thought otherwise with all the facts.

Just wondering. Do you mean all the facts as in trump's trial with no witnesses. How could the jury have all the facts when they didn't hear from martin?

 

[Divine_Wind]

That called self defense. Not cold blooded.

Agreed. The anti-gunners want everyone to believe that Zimmerman, "the white supremacist" chased Martin, the innocent black school child, because Zimmerman wanted to shoot a "n****r". With his gun drawn, so the LW version goes, Zimmerman hunts down po' lil' Martin and shoots him in the chest "in cold blood and walked".

They don't address the wounds on Martin's knuckles or on Zimmerman's head. They conveniently forget the tone and content of the phone transcript, both of Zimmerman's to the police and of Martin's to his girlfriend. They dodge the evidence of the forensics including the pathologist report as "white privilege". They forget that this case would and should never have come to trial except for the interference of a sitting President.