Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (but why no pressure on Hamas or PA?)

[Pyrite]

No, I am not. I am saying you misinterpreted it.



I'm saying you saw "under evacuation orders" and mistakenly assumed this meant Israeli forces control those areas. They do not.

Most of Gaza is still under the direct control and authority of Hamas. It is not under Israeli control. If it were, Israel would not be engaging in airstrikes.

Post #49


Your claim in Post #49 does not reflect reality on the ground.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/g-s1-59633/gaza-buffer-zone-israel-military

More than half of the Gaza Strip is no longer accessible to Palestinians as Israel's military takes over larger areas of the territory and absorbs them into what it calls security zones along all of the territory's borders.

Nowhere is this more visible than in southern Gaza, where Israel's defense minister says the military is seizing an area once home to a quarter-million people and turning it into a buffer zone. The move cuts off the Palestinian border city of Rafah — and indeed the whole of the Gaza Strip – from neighboring Egypt....

The takeover of southern Gaza changes its borders and fundamentally alters its map, surrounding the territory by Israel from all sides. Before the war, Gaza's southern border with Egypt was the only crossing not solely controlled by Israel.

Rafah was also a shelter during the first months of the war for more than a million Palestinians and served as a lifeline for aid coming in from Egypt. It's also where some people were able to leave Gaza, including those needing medical evacuation.

Israel's military is tightening its control over Gaza, particularly in the south, after saying months ago that Hamas had been defeated there. Its return to war has sparked criticism within Israel, including among reservists unwilling to report to duty....

Israel's military says in addition to capturing a miles-wide area of territory in the south, it's also deepening and expanding its seizure of territory along Gaza's northern border....

 

[roberthughey]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

The US and Israel seem to be the only two countries that believe Hamas needs to be destroyed.

 

[Pyrite]

The US and Israel seem to be the only two countries that believe Hamas needs to be destroyed.

But Israel hasn't been able to "destroy" Hamas, despite almost 22 months of its modern military's attacking and attacking and attacking....

In other words, Netanyahu et al are pursuing a losing strategy that does nothing but slaughter more and more civilians. It's looking more and more as if killing Palestinians in Gaza is the goal.

 

[roberthughey]

But Israel hasn't been able to "destroy" Hamas, despite almost 22 months of its modern military's attacking and attacking and attacking....

In other words, Netanyahu et al are pursuing a losing strategy that does nothing but slaughter more and more civilians. It's looking more and more as if killing Palestinians in Gaza is the goal.

Hamas always hides amongst the population as their shield.

 

[Pyrite]

Hamas always hides amongst the population as their shield.

Too bad. That Netanyahu et al ignored a significant obstacle to "destroying Hamas in Gaza" is on them.

And it does not give the Government of Israel the legal or moral authority to commit war crimes against civilians in Gaza.

 

[snakestretcher]

Exactly. There is abundant food in Gaza if hamas/UN would only distribute it.

Israel gives tour of UN aid left ‘rotting’ in Gaza

Drone footage released as blame game over humanitarian crisis continues

www.telegraph.co.uk

I see, so you believe Israel's lies. There is an abundance of starvation in Gaza because Israel stopped food aid for three months.

UN agency says 6,000 lorries' worth of aid ready to enter Gaza and urges Israel to allow access

The UN's humanitarian agency warns only a "trickle" of aid is getting into Gaza - Israel says 800 trucks are inside Gaza waiting for collection.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oxfam GB | Gaza is a 'petri dish of disease' as Israel continues to deliberately block aid

www.oxfam.org.uk

Gaza suffering man-made mass starvation, says WHO chief

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus issues warning, as more than 100 aid groups urge Israel to ease blockade

www.theguardian.com

 

[snakestretcher]

Hamas always hides amongst the population as their shield.

Nonsense-and if you want to discuss hiding behind human shields, here's some news for you. The Israeli High Court banned the use of human shields by the IDF (a war crime), in 2005. The IDF appealed the ruling, and lost. The cowardly practise continues to this day.

Israeli high court bans military use of Palestinians as human shields

· Even 'volunteers' breach Geneva pact, judge rules · Human rights victory after three-year struggle

www.theguardian.com

Two Israeli soldiers guilty of using human shield in Gaza

An Israeli military court convicts two Israeli soldiers for using a Palestinian child as a human shield during an assault on Gaza in 2009.

www.bbc.co.uk

Israeli use of human shields in Gaza was systemic, soldiers and former detainees tell AP

***

www.haaretz.com

Human Shields

Over the years, the military practiced an official policy of using Palestinians as human shields, ordering them to carry out military activities that put their lives in jeopardy: Palestinians were forced to remove suspicious objects from roads, tell other Palestinians to come out and surrender...

www.btselem.org

 

[snakestretcher]

This won’t end until the Palestinians are driven into the sea.

That has always been the plan.

"Between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty". Quoted from Netanyahu's Likud Party platform. This has always been the Zionist ambition; a Jewish ethno-state free of Muslims. Israel isn't even trying to pretend otherwise now.

Original Party Platform of the Likud Party

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

 

[Callen]

Post #3 .....the intended word was comlict not complicated

 

[snakestretcher]

The food is already in Gaza- That really is a FACT. The WHO, any other agency or Hamas could distribute it if it suited them.

Israel gives tour of UN aid left ‘rotting’ in Gaza

Drone footage released as blame game over humanitarian crisis continues

www.telegraph.co.uk

No, that's an Israeli propaganda lie. What food is being allowed in is barely a trickle, and the nonsense about Hamas hoarding it is another lie. But of course every aid agency on the ground in Gaza is lying, and only Israel tells the truth. Is that your position? If so you're either siding with a genocidal and criminal regime, or you're incredibly naive. So which is it?

USAID finds no proof Hamas systematically loots aid; State Department, IDF push back

Report completed in June says majority of aid theft incidents can't be 'definitively attributed to a specific actor,' but acknowledges recipients are unvetted and could be Hamas

www.timesofisrael.com

NYT: Israel has no evidence of systematic Hamas looting of UN aid in Gaza

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

USAID found ‘no proof’ of Hamas stealing US aid

State Dept, White House dispute findings of study conducted by aid agency’s Bureau of Humanitarian Assistance.

www.dawn.com

UN agency says 6,000 lorries' worth of aid ready to enter Gaza and urges Israel to allow access

The UN's humanitarian agency warns only a "trickle" of aid is getting into Gaza - Israel says 800 trucks are inside Gaza waiting for collection.

www.bbc.co.uk

I suggest you work on your fact-checking ability.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

Hamas are terrorists. We hold the Israeli government to a higher moral standard than we do terrorists.

 

[snakestretcher]

Hamas are terrorists. We hold the Israeli government to a higher moral standard than we do terrorists.

Right now it's Israel which is the terrorist and genocidal entity; deliberately starving Gazan citizens, using food as a weapon. Nobody is holding Israel to account; on the contrary the West continues to supply arms to Israel so that they may continue the slaughter, with Western complicity. Imagine if we were arming the Nazis in WW2 to support their genocide. Is this any different?

‘We faced hunger before, but never like this’: skeletal children fill hospital wards as starvation grips Gaza

For months Israel kept food shipments to Gaza far below starvation rations. Now the death toll is rising rapidly

www.theguardian.com

 

[roberthughey]

Nonsense-and if you want to discuss hiding behind human shields, here's some news for you. The Israeli High Court banned the use of human shields by the IDF (a war crime), in 2005. The IDF appealed the ruling, and lost. The cowardly practise continues to this day.

Israeli high court bans military use of Palestinians as human shields

· Even 'volunteers' breach Geneva pact, judge rules · Human rights victory after three-year struggle

www.theguardian.com

Two Israeli soldiers guilty of using human shield in Gaza

An Israeli military court convicts two Israeli soldiers for using a Palestinian child as a human shield during an assault on Gaza in 2009.

www.bbc.co.uk

Israeli use of human shields in Gaza was systemic, soldiers and former detainees tell AP

***

www.haaretz.com

Human Shields

Over the years, the military practiced an official policy of using Palestinians as human shields, ordering them to carry out military activities that put their lives in jeopardy: Palestinians were forced to remove suspicious objects from roads, tell other Palestinians to come out and surrender...

www.btselem.org

I wasn't talking about Israel.

 

[PeteEU]

Gazans Are Dying of Starvation (link, no paywall) (excerpts below)

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume? And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings? Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender. The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

LOL like they can do anything.... live have lived 40+ years with Israel dictating what, when and how they can eat and live.. Do you really think that Israel will want to give that up?

Even if Hamas "surrendered".. what ever that means, Israel would continue its decade long abuse of the Palestinian people and find new excuses to commit genocide against non Jewish populations in the region.

Hamas is a symptom.. Israel's policies are the disease.

 

[Linc]

You're wrong. So wrong that you've failed to produce any evidence to try to prove your claims. Any of your claims.

Unless and until you corroborate your claims, they're simply your wishes of what you want to be reality.

Only 25 murdered and 9 starved yesterday.
Slow day for the horrifically euthanized.

 

[Tigerace117]

Hamas always hides amongst the population as their shield.

Israel makes extensive use of human shields, as its own soldiers have freely admitted.

 

[Tigerace117]

Hamas are terrorists. We hold the Israeli government to a higher moral standard than we do terrorists.

Supposedly

We don’t hold Israel to any standards at all in reality.

 

[lwf]

You're wrong. So wrong that you've failed to produce any evidence to try to prove your claims. Any of your claims.

Unless and until you corroborate your claims, they're simply your wishes of what you want to be reality.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-861821
https://themedialine.org/top-storie...s-still-rules-gaza-what-are-the-consequences/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...litants-rule-93da074c251d0fcaa395503749e2849e

 

[lwf]

Post #49


Your claim in Post #49 does not reflect reality on the ground.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/g-s1-59633/gaza-buffer-zone-israel-military

More than half of the Gaza Strip is no longer accessible to Palestinians as Israel's military takes over larger areas of the territory and absorbs them into what it calls security zones along all of the territory's borders.

Nowhere is this more visible than in southern Gaza, where Israel's defense minister says the military is seizing an area once home to a quarter-million people and turning it into a buffer zone. The move cuts off the Palestinian border city of Rafah — and indeed the whole of the Gaza Strip – from neighboring Egypt....

The takeover of southern Gaza changes its borders and fundamentally alters its map, surrounding the territory by Israel from all sides. Before the war, Gaza's southern border with Egypt was the only crossing not solely controlled by Israel.

Rafah was also a shelter during the first months of the war for more than a million Palestinians and served as a lifeline for aid coming in from Egypt. It's also where some people were able to leave Gaza, including those needing medical evacuation.

Israel's military is tightening its control over Gaza, particularly in the south, after saying months ago that Hamas had been defeated there. Its return to war has sparked criticism within Israel, including among reservists unwilling to report to duty....

Israel's military says in addition to capturing a miles-wide area of territory in the south, it's also deepening and expanding its seizure of territory along Gaza's northern border....

I said most of Gaza. Yes, Isreal controls buffer zones near the border and in the south. The city proper where all of the people live remains fully under Hamas control.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

The question is, why aren't "Dr. Farra" or for that matter the New York Times, French President Macron or others apply pressure on PA or Hamas to "end the war" so that normal economic activity and ability to eat can resume?

What makes you think they can bypass Israel to do this?
How exactly do you see them force Hamas to end the war when it's in the Israeli govt interest to keep it going?

And what were these organizations and talking heads thinking would be the result of senseless slaughters like October 7, 2023 and the various stabbings, car rammings, suicide bombings or shootings?

why do you think those events happened? why would outgunned and pretty much stone age terrorists gain by those actions against a nuclear power with every modern American military aid gain?
Please elaborate.

Let's not forget who caused the tragedy.

do you honestly think all this started on Oct 7th?

Nothing happened before? no previous circumstances?

Yes, it's time for Hamas to surrender.

agreed, I would also like to see everyone responsible for starving Gazan kids taken to war crimes tribunal. Arab, Jew and enablers o both sides should be held to account.

The fight is over and now they are responsible for their own constituents' suffering and death.

you basically swallowed one side's story uncritically and unthinkingly.

 

[Sweden]

What makes you think they can bypass Israel to do this?
How exactly do you see them force Hamas to end the war when it's in the Israeli govt interest to keep it going?



why do you think those events happened? why would outgunned and pretty much stone age terrorists gain by those actions against a nuclear power with every modern American military aid gain?
Please elaborate.



do you honestly think all this started on Oct 7th?

Nothing happened before? no previous circumstances?



agreed, I would also like to see everyone responsible for starving Gazan kids taken to war crimes tribunal. Arab, Jew and enablers o both sides should be held to account.



you basically swallowed one side's story uncritically and unthinkingly.

Parts of this post seem to be based on the incorrect notion that Hamas can and will behave rationally.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Parts of this post seem to be based on the incorrect notion that Hamas can and will behave rationally.

[/sigh]
You never read about the suitcases of cash for Hamas that Netanyahu's government encouraged or his desire to keep Hamas strong and thus split the Palestinian cause by West Bank vs Gaza have you?

 

[Tigerace117]

Parts of this post seem to be based on the incorrect notion that Hamas can and will behave rationally.

Israel’s mass murder campaign is anything but “rational”, especially given it is presented as a matter of “national survival” despite Israel possessing significantly more conventional weaponry than Hamas as well as nuclear weapons.

 

[lwf]

No, Gaza does NOT "remain under the control of Hamas".

WHO condemns Israeli attacks on facilities in central Gaza

The UN agency accuses Israeli forces of attacking a building housing its staff and their families in Deir al-Balah.

www.bbc.com

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I said most of Gaza. Yes, Isreal controls buffer zones near the border and in the south. The city proper where all of the people live remains fully under Hamas control.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-861821
https://themedialine.org/top-storie...s-still-rules-gaza-what-are-the-consequences/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-p...litants-rule-93da074c251d0fcaa395503749e2849e

Seems these above links are a bit old. Prior to last month, Hamas controlled the vast majority of the Gaza Strip. In June of this year, Israel was able to take control of 65% of the Gaza Strip, most of which was gained within the last month according to the IDF. So, my previous assumption that Hamas still controls "most" of Gaza is no longer the case as of June 2025. Hamas still controls the city proper where the vast majority of the Palestinians live and 35% of the Gaza strip, but they are rapidly losing ground, which is excellent news. The sooner Israel can dethrone and disarm Hamas and take control of the entire strip and the city proper, the sooner this senseless war can end.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2025_Gaza_offensive

 

[snakestretcher]

Parts of this post seem to be based on the incorrect notion that Hamas can and will behave rationally.

Would you behave "rationally" if your country had been under belligerent occupation for 60 years? A population controlled by an occupier who imprisons them behind 30 foot walls, with armed watch towers, which controls its few imports, food, water and energy, won't permit the citizens to return if they are even allowed to leave, who massacres women and children with both support from the West and complete impunity, has committed frequent war crimes and violations of every tenet of international law, has violated the Hague and Geneva conventions, the laws of occupation and international humanitarian law. And you expect Hamas to act "rationally"? Hamas are no more or less 'rational' than the genocidal bastards who have so far killed 50,000 innocent men, women and children in their quest for Eretz Israel and a Jewish ethno-state, free of Muslims.

Hamas was funded and propped-up by Netanyahu for his own interests, and although conveniently labelled 'terrorists' Hamas are legally, according to international law, permitted armed resistance against a belligerent occupier, Israel.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

https://www.icrc.org/sites/default/files/external/doc/en/assets/files/other/law9_final.pdf