For the UFO/aliens visiting earth skeptics

[Paradoxical]

My take is that there are three primary ingredients for alien life/intelligence

1. Third generation star (min)

2. Planets

3. Stability

And, yes, there are literally trillions of places in the known universe which fit that mold.

IMO, again, there are far more opportunities for intelligent aliens to have evolved than gods. There are almost no conditions defined for the presence of gods. In fact, gods are not even well defined--at least not in any reasonable way that one can say, "Yeah, I understand what that is supposed to be and what it does."


As for space traveling intelligent life finding us: I don't see it happening. There are simply too many places to look and not enough hours in the day to find us in that vast mess. A being would need some sort of detection device that scans the vastness of space and somehow senses the vibration of life from immense distances, probably in real-time.

As of now, all we know of out there for tools to find things are devices that wait for a signal to arrive at the snail's pace of light-speed. There is no real-time detection device. So, finding us would be either a random discovery or the being has to have such an advanced level of technology that their need for "flight" (which is what UFO's are--flying objects) would be a ridiculous assumption anyway.

I agree with what you're saying. I have read that we are not that far away from creating artificial intelligence that is so much like a human that it is indistinguishable and some fear that, like the old movie HAL, it could replace humans. Some have sounded warnings. This internet that we are using is an example where a human can just enter a search term and be brought to the answer in seconds. That sort of thing used to take hours if you had the book available, days or weeks if you had to go to the library and even months if you didn't know where to look. So, in just 3-4 decades, barely the blink of an eyelash in 6 billion years, humans ALREADY know far more than any human who ever existed before and using THIS computer can find out things that would take genius intellect only 50 short years ago.

What is being talked about coming relatively soon is a way for humans to become melded with computers and a diagnoses of his or her physical problems and needs and giving that individual new body parts that are constricted by other robots, such as an artificial kidney, new knees or shoulders, artificial heart, lungs, etc. thereby allowing humans to increase their life span dramatically. I saw a video of a computer in Singapore where people wear this wristband thing and it tells them what vitamins and minerals they are deficient in and the computer calculates the exact amounts needed for that individual, and that is then input into another computer which makes a food based cookie within minutes containing the exact amounts of what he needs. It has a robotic arm and nozzle that looks like one of those cake frosting things a baker uses. So, humanity is already on the way to using computer technology to enhance and undoubtedly increase lifespan by a computer telling you what you are deficient in.

Quantum computing is already being developed rapidly. It is many, many times faster than what we have now. A doctor can operate remotely on someone now using a laptop and mouse to move the robotic arms of a programmed computer in Europe and the doctor being in the US. The computer handles most everything. The next step would be to connect these sort of computers which are like Google and have almost all the knowledge known to man, with man himself. When that is done, we become like Gods.

 

[Paradoxical]

The question asked was valid. Why do you specify "the Christian God" in your bigoted response to a commentary on aliens?

The real question is, Vance, why someone becomes so upset when their belief system is challenged? NO ONE can become upset or call someone a bigot when that person knows he has the truth. Try it. Only those who are unsure and have doubts about what they believe and why they believe, can become upset when others call those beliefs into question.

 

[Paradoxical]

You have no evidence of either but you have no trouble believing in little green men.

The thing is, I don't much care and that is what irks the believers As I said to Vance, it is impossible to become upset when someone questions beliefs that you know are true. Christians become upset and angry ONLY because they know deep down that their beliefs are weak and without "faith" those beliefs would collapse like a house of cards.

 

[it's just me]

The thing is, I don't much care and that is what irks the believers As I said to Vance, it is impossible to become upset when someone questions beliefs that you know are true. Christians become upset and angry ONLY because they know deep down that their beliefs are weak and without "faith" those beliefs would collapse like a house of cards.

Oh, I'm not "irked" by anything, I just find it amusing that atheists come to this forum and stamp their feet, saying, "There is no God!" even as they pontificate on the possibility of interstellar travel and the life forms that must be doing it.

 

[VanceMack]

The real question is, Vance, why someone becomes so upset when their belief system is challenged? NO ONE can become upset or call someone a bigot when that person knows he has the truth. Try it. Only those who are unsure and have doubts about what they believe and why they believe, can become upset when others call those beliefs into question.

No no...the real question is the one asked. Why when you decided to impose your hatred and bigotry into a discussion on aliens did you choose to impose your hatred of the "Christian God?" Of all the beliefs and dieties in the world, you in your impotent expression of hatred felt compelled to hate the "Christian God". Why? THAT IS the question.

 

[Paradoxical]

Oh, I'm not "irked" by anything, I just find it amusing that atheists come to this forum and stamp their feet, saying, "There is no God!" even as they pontificate on the possibility of interstellar travel and the life forms that must be doing it.

must be doing what?

 

[Paradoxical]

No no...the real question is the one asked. Why when you decided to impose your hatred and bigotry into a discussion on aliens did you choose to impose your hatred of the "Christian God?" Of all the beliefs and dieties in the world, you in your impotent expression of hatred felt compelled to hate the "Christian God". Why? THAT IS the question.

I hate it because they indoctrinate children.

 

[calamity]

No no...the real question is the one asked. Why when you decided to impose your hatred and bigotry into a discussion on aliens did you choose to impose your hatred of the "Christian God?" Of all the beliefs and dieties in the world, you in your impotent expression of hatred felt compelled to hate the "Christian God". Why? THAT IS the question.

It's the imaginary creature most US Americans believe in...probably more so than Big Foot but fewer than aliens, I presume.

 

[calamity]

'unimaginable', as in the poverty of man's imagination.

What if they don't go from point A to B in a linear fashion?


You need to imagine more, not less.

Agreed. There is no reason to travel in a straight line. There is also plenty of evidence suggesting space and time can be defeated. So, it only makes sense that an alien intelligence a billion times smarter than us has that one figured out.

 

[VanceMack]

I hate it because they indoctrinate children.

And you dont think other religions indoctrinate children? You dont think Atheists indoctrinate children?

But I applaud you for recognizing you are guided by your hatred. Its a great first step.

 

[Paradoxical]

And you dont think other religions indoctrinate children? You dont think Atheists indoctrinate children?

But I applaud you for recognizing you are guided by your hatred. Its a great first step.

I never taught my children either one and they are just fine. I let them decide instead of indoctrinating their young impressionable minds

 

[VanceMack]

I never taught my children either one and they are just fine. I let them decide instead of indoctrinating their young impressionable minds

Fantastic. Do you believe that there are Christians that teach their Children to NOT judge others, just as there may be Christians that embody the hatred you feel?

 

[Paradoxical]

Fantastic. Do you believe that there are Christians that teach their Children to NOT judge others, just as there may be Christians that embody the hatred you feel?

No I don't believe that. Christians do in fact judge others through their cajoling and disagreement and attempted conversions. This, what you say is a lie.

 

[VanceMack]

No I don't believe that. Christians do in fact judge others through their cajoling and disagreement and attempted conversions. This, what you say is a lie.

Tragic. You are not only bigoted and hateful but uninformed.

 

[Paradoxical]

Tragic. You are not only bigoted and hateful but uninformed.

I have debated Christians for decades niw and gave up. I find their debate style is identical to the far left and why I have the sig line that I do. When they have no facts and no response, they resort to slurs and slander as you have here with the use of "bigoted" and "hateful".

Those type of comments are what I call debate stoppers and the writer knows it They are used as an end to the debate because the person really can't respond to the other person's post. As a way of avoiding a response, the writer tries to deflect and divert AWAY from what was being discussed to force the other into defending against the slander and slurs, whatever they may be. Leftists do this tactic all the time with their use of "racist" or white separatist or white privilege. Christians and leftists are more alike than they would care to admit. When the slurs fail, then they will use the tactic of attempted embarrassment such as the other is selfish, greedy, uncaring, heartless, a sinner.

These tactics have been observed by me over decades of debate and they have no effect on me whatsoever. You mighty want to re-examine your debate style.

 

[calamity]

And you dont think other religions indoctrinate children? You dont think Atheists indoctrinate children?

But I applaud you for recognizing you are guided by your hatred. Its a great first step.

lol...atheists cannot "indoctrinate" children, because not believing in imaginary things like gods is not a doctrine.

Now, if you want to call telling a kid to follow evidence and not believe stupid things told to them by others indoctrination, well...I guess you may want to look into that.

 

[VanceMack]

I have debated Christians for decades niw and gave up. I find their debate style is identical to the far left and why I have the sig line that I do. When they have no facts and no response, they resort to slurs and slander as you have here with the use of "bigoted" and "hateful".

Those type of comments are what I call debate stoppers and the writer knows it They are used as an end to the debate because the person really can't respond to the other person's post. As a way of avoiding a response, the writer tries to deflect and divert AWAY from what was being discussed to force the other into defending against the slander and slurs, whatever they may be. Leftists do this tactic all the time with their use of "racist" or white separatist or white privilege. Christians and leftists are more alike than they would care to admit. When the slurs fail, then they will use the tactic of attempted embarrassment such as the other is selfish, greedy, uncaring, heartless, a sinner.

These tactics have been observed by me over decades of debate and they have no effect on me whatsoever. You mighty want to re-examine your debate style.

Ive literally NEVER seen you debate anyone...and certainly not Christians. I HAVE seen you spew your own hatred and bigotry...which is absolutely your right...but you shouldnt confuse spreading hatred and bigotry with 'debate'.

Its rather comical with the large number of Christian denominations that promote tolerance and acceptance of individuals you cant see past your own hatred and insist that ALL Christians teach hatred and bigotry. Its also very telling that you center your hatred and cowardice on Christianity while avoiding other religions.

 

[mike2810]

The thing is, I don't much care and that is what irks the believers As I said to Vance, it is impossible to become upset when someone questions beliefs that you know are true. Christians become upset and angry ONLY because they know deep down that their beliefs are weak and without "faith" those beliefs would collapse like a house of cards.

As would all other religions on earth.

I don't care much either. After reading through the thread it is interesting how some focused in on Christians rather than just stating religion. I think some were trying to provoke a reaction. :mrgreen:

 

[Paradoxical]

Ive literally NEVER seen you debate anyone...and certainly not Christians. I HAVE seen you spew your own hatred and bigotry...which is absolutely your right...but you shouldnt confuse spreading hatred and bigotry with 'debate'.

Its rather comical with the large number of Christian denominations that promote tolerance and acceptance of individuals you cant see past your own hatred and insist that ALL Christians teach hatred and bigotry. Its also very telling that you center your hatred and cowardice on Christianity while avoiding other religions.

Sorry Vance but Christians and particularly evangelical ones, are the least tolerant of all. They are more holy than even the far leftists here. Sanctimony literally oozes out of their nostrils. They use words like bigot, hatred like a leftist uses racist and fascist because they have no way to support and justify their intolerance and totalitarianism. Let's face it, your claims that you are inclusive are pure BS. You disdain homosexuals and atheists every bit as much as the elitist leftists here disdain conservative white people even though they themselves are white.

 

[mike2810]

Sorry Vance but Christians and particularly evangelical ones, are the least tolerant of all. They are more holy than even the far leftists here. Sanctimony literally oozes out of their nostrils. They use words like bigot, hatred like a leftist uses racist and fascist because they have no way to support and justify their intolerance and totalitarianism. Let's face it, your claims that you are inclusive are pure BS. You disdain homosexuals and atheists every bit as much as the elitist leftists here disdain conservative white people even though they themselves are white.

What about other religions? Are there not extremists in every religion?
Are you tolerant to opposing views?

 

[mike2810]

Is there other intelligent life out there. There could be.

Have they visited earth. Maybe, but I tend to doubt it. They would need a form of travel that our current science cannot explain.

 

[Paradoxical]

As would all other religions on earth.

I don't care much either. After reading through the thread it is interesting how some focused in on Christians rather than just stating religion. I think some were trying to provoke a reaction. :mrgreen:

The two major religions have grown to the levels we see today through intimidation, violence and coercion and through using the government to further their cause. There is NO reason for them to have tax exempt status but they do.

 

[Paradoxical]

What about other religions? Are there not extremists in every religion?
Are you tolerant to opposing views?

I loathe all religions. I don't live in the middle east so the otehr ones have little effect on me.

 

[mike2810]

The two major religions have grown to the levels we see today through intimidation, violence and coercion and through using the government to further their cause. There is NO reason for them to have tax exempt status but they do.

I don't disagree with removing the tax exempt status.

I take it you understand that other religions can have extremists views as extreme as some Christians branches have. To target just one religion in the discussion of alien life is not rational.

 

[mike2810]

I loathe all religions. I don't live in the middle east so the otehr ones have little effect on me.

Yet, other religions are become more prevalent in the US. For example the Muslim religion.