For the UFO/aliens visiting earth skeptics

[Glitch]

Interstellar travel at the speed of light is way too slow.

Aliens have figured out some other paradigm, which makes linear travel, including all the problems that arise from it, moot.

The laws of physics says otherwise. If an object has mass, then it cannot reach the speed of light or exceed it.

According to Einstein's 1905 paper on Special Relativity:

Δt' = γΔt

where

γ = 1 / √ (1 - (v[SUP]2[/SUP]/c[SUP]2[/SUP]))

The length of moving objects also shrink in the direction in which they move. If you could get to the speed of light (which is not really possible, but imagine if you could) the object's length would shrink to zero. The contracted length of a moving object relative to a stationary one can be calculated by dividing the proper length by the Lorentz factor (γ) – if it were possible for an object to reach the speed of light its length would shrink to zero.

It is theoretically possible to achieve speeds up to 99.99999% the speed of light, but not faster than, or equal to, the speed of light.

 

[Helix]

You're not looking, you're not curious.

The future isn't lead by the non curious, this is certain.

I'm both curious and realistic about nearly unimaginable distances.

 

[zyzygy]

Radio waves, fiber optics, all of the man made things are moot with aliens.

they do telepathy, with telepathy, there is a massive paradigm shift.

Telepathy? You are in the realms of fantasy.

 

[OscarLevant]

Telepathy? You are in the realms of fantasy.

What do you know about this subject?

 

[OscarLevant]

I'm both curious and realistic about nearly unimaginable distances.

'unimaginable', as in the poverty of man's imagination.

What if they don't go from point A to B in a linear fashion?


You need to imagine more, not less.

 

[OscarLevant]

The laws of physics says otherwise. If an object has mass, then it cannot reach the speed of light or exceed it.

According to Einstein's 1905 paper on Special Relativity:

Δt' = γΔt

where

γ = 1 / √ (1 - (v[SUP]2[/SUP]/c[SUP]2[/SUP]))

The length of moving objects also shrink in the direction in which they move. If you could get to the speed of light (which is not really possible, but imagine if you could) the object's length would shrink to zero. The contracted length of a moving object relative to a stationary one can be calculated by dividing the proper length by the Lorentz factor (γ) – if it were possible for an object to reach the speed of light its length would shrink to zero.

It is theoretically possible to achieve speeds up to 99.99999% the speed of light, but not faster than, or equal to, the speed of light.

It says nothing about new undiscovered paradigms.


Aliens are not going from A to B in a linear fashion, and 'speed' is a moot point.

 

[OscarLevant]

Pray tell, how do you stabilize an unstable synthesized, non natural occurring element?

That is an incredibly lame answer.

Someday llamas will have the ability to fly, let's talk about it then....

All I see from naysayers is no.

I say yes. History is made by those who say yes.

No need for strawman arguments.

 

[beefheart]

All I see from naysayers is no.

I say yes. History is made by those who say yes.

No need for strawman arguments.

And yet, the UFO folks after 50 years have JACK SQUAT.

But, lots of stories about how the "lid is about to be blown off"

Been hearing that since the 70's

 

[OscarLevant]

Said no one, ever.

When was this? In what year? You can manufacture any nonsense you like, it doesn't make any of it true. Just a figment of your uneducated imagination.

It is called getting a basic education. You might want to try it some day.

I'm not a physicist. I had an argument one with two scientists, once, for about an hour, and they were just like you give me one objection after another why it's 'impossible' to travel across galaxies in a practical amount of time. by the time I finished with them, explaining to them that they are using their knowledge of physics to limit their imagination, just as you are using that to limit your imagination, making assumptions, completely oblivious to the notion that an advanced race, advanced perhaps by a million years, how can we, a race who has only poked it's head into modernity for a mere hundred years or so before which we were riding horses, how can we possibly say that it is impossible? and by the end of that 30 minute ride, the two scientists commended me, for changing their mind about the possibility of interstellar travel, and I don't know **** about physics.


Fortunately, they are smart enough to know that knowledge of physics isn't required for logic.

And for you to sit there, and say, that practical interstellar travel is impossible isn't even logical.

It might not seem possible, but it's not impossible, and, in fact, it's very possible, with the right machine, new discoveries in physics. Who's to say it isn't?

But I do know that history is filled with overeducated morons who think they no **** when they really don't.

History is made by those with bold imagination of what is possible, and the courage to pursue it.

one thing that wise people do not do is to be like the sniveling mediocrities who shame others to give the impression they are smart, engage in self puffery under the mistaken notion that that improves one's argument.

But morons do it every day of every week in every debate forum everywhere, they are a dime a dozen.

 

[Helix]

'unimaginable', as in the poverty of man's imagination.

What if they don't go from point A to B in a linear fashion?


You need to imagine more, not less.

i do that quite well, thanks. however, little grey men aren't folding space time like a post it note and diving on through it in disco lighted saucers to take anal samples from cattle.

 

[WCH]

Lord Krishna is the only true god. If you can prove that he does not exist then I will use the same method on your god.

I'm not the Communist denying "any" god's existence.

 

[calamity]

I'm not the Communist denying "any" god's existence.

Why would denying this god's existence be communist? I see it more as using your head. After all, no one over the age of about twelve should believe fairy tales are real.

 

[Airyaman]

I've always agreed with Calvin on this one:

 

[WCH]

Your first part was this



And you are asking:



The Christian God concept is just one of thousands of Gods invented and conceived from the fertile imaginations of humans. The other main religion is Islam, which I consider equally preposterous. I wasn't brought up under Islam and I live in America, so there is no use in me talking about Islam or any other belief system currently in existence or that have come and gone. The entire story reeks of fabrication and wishful thinking and is based primarily on the writings of one man called Paul, whose hallucinations and diatribes take up nearly half the NT and were/are the very first writings. We are to believe he had a vision. WHY should we believe this? Because he said so and many others believed him because of his oratory skills and powers of persuasion? Because he had a conversion from persecuting Christians to joining them/

Visions in those days were a dime a dozen, as were beliefs in miracles. For that matter, other so called gods were born without the benefit of sexual intercourse and others left earth without dying. the alleged sayings of Jesus are highly plagiarized from teachings that predate Christianity by centuries, many of them adopted from Stoicism.

Will that be enough? Nope. Nothing is ever enough for those heavily immersed in the belief system.

Well, that was at least an explanation. TY.

I respect your opinion and you won't be talking me out of mine.

It's is interesting that you seem to put belief in aliens/UFOs above those of faith.

 

[WCH]

Why would denying this god's existence be communist? I see it more as using your head. After all, no one over the age of about twelve should believe fairy tales are real.

Those who worship the State are not likely to have any sort of faith. Coexistence is futile.

 

[Thoreau72]

Well, that was at least an explanation. TY.

I respect your opinion and you won't be talking me out of mine.

It's is interesting that you seem to put belief in aliens/UFOs above those of faith.

Faith is the antonym of rational analysis.

 

[zyzygy]

It says nothing about new undiscovered paradigms.


Aliens are not going from A to B in a linear fashion, and 'speed' is a moot point.

Prove it. Anyway, how did they find out about us?

 

[zyzygy]

I'm not a physicist. I had an argument one with two scientists, once, for about an hour, and they were just like you give me one objection after another why it's 'impossible' to travel across galaxies in a practical amount of time. by the time I finished with them, explaining to them that they are using their knowledge of physics to limit their imagination, just as you are using that to limit your imagination, making assumptions, completely oblivious to the notion that an advanced race, advanced perhaps by a million years, how can we, a race who has only poked it's head into modernity for a mere hundred years or so before which we were riding horses, how can we possibly say that it is impossible? and by the end of that 30 minute ride, the two scientists commended me, for changing their mind about the possibility of interstellar travel, and I don't know **** about physics.


Fortunately, they are smart enough to know that knowledge of physics isn't required for logic.

And for you to sit there, and say, that practical interstellar travel is impossible isn't even logical.

It might not seem possible, but it's not impossible, and, in fact, it's very possible, with the right machine, new discoveries in physics. Who's to say it isn't?

But I do know that history is filled with overeducated morons who think they no **** when they really don't.

History is made by those with bold imagination of what is possible, and the courage to pursue it.

one thing that wise people do not do is to be like the sniveling mediocrities who shame others to give the impression they are smart, engage in self puffery under the mistaken notion that that improves one's argument.

But morons do it every day of every week in every debate forum everywhere, they are a dime a dozen.

Insults, a sure sign that you lost the argument.

 

[zyzygy]

You're not looking, you're not curious.

The future isn't lead by the non curious, this is certain.

How will belief in alien visitations affect our future?

 

[zyzygy]

Those who worship the State are not likely to have any sort of faith. Coexistence is futile.

Sigh!

 

[calamity]

Those who worship the State are not likely to have any sort of faith. Coexistence is futile.

Seems to me the whole movement we see from the Left today is against the State. Can you make a better argument?

 

[Paradoxical]

Well, that was at least an explanation. TY.

I respect your opinion and you won't be talking me out of mine.

It's is interesting that you seem to put belief in aliens/UFOs above those of faith.

It is plausible that there would be aliens since there are literally trillions upon trillions of other planets and the ingredients for life are found throughout the universe. We ourselves are made of stardust. Matter of fact, I would say it is unlikely that there are NOT other life forms throughout the universe. Some of them may be billions of years older than humans and therefore advanced beyond anything we can imagine. I think the reason we don't see more of them is the vastness of space and the time it would take for travel.

What is unlikely is that anything I say would convince another poster to stop believing a story they were told their entire life was true. They have too much emotionally invested in the story being true. It shakes one to the core to change such a belief. Holding the Jesus belief gives many comfort and solace in a world fraught with danger and evil. It's not like they believe in space aliens because there is nothing in it for them to either believe or not believe in space aliens. If they could be convinced, however, that space aliens were able to offer them an escape from death and all they had to do was seek out these space aliens ad believe they were there even though invisible to many, you would have something that the masses could latch onto, because then there is something in it for them. You need that to make believers......a reason.

L Ron Hubbard was successful in doing just that.

 

[calamity]

It is plausible that there would be aliens since there are literally trillions upon trillions of other planets and the ingredients for life are found throughout the universe. We ourselves are made of stardust. Matter of fact, I would say it is unlikely that there are NOT other life forms throughout the universe. Some of them may be billions of years older than humans and therefore advanced beyond anything we can imagine. I think the reason we don't see more of them is the vastness of space and the time it would take for travel.

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My take is that there are three primary ingredients for alien life/intelligence

1. Third generation star (min)

2. Planets

3. Stability

And, yes, there are literally trillions of places in the known universe which fit that mold.

IMO, again, there are far more opportunities for intelligent aliens to have evolved than gods. There are almost no conditions defined for the presence of gods. In fact, gods are not even well defined--at least not in any reasonable way that one can say, "Yeah, I understand what that is supposed to be and what it does."


As for space traveling intelligent life finding us: I don't see it happening. There are simply too many places to look and not enough hours in the day to find us in that vast mess. A being would need some sort of detection device that scans the vastness of space and somehow senses the vibration of life from immense distances, probably in real-time.

As of now, all we know of out there for tools to find things are devices that wait for a signal to arrive at the snail's pace of light-speed. There is no real-time detection device. So, finding us would be either a random discovery or the being has to have such an advanced level of technology that their need for "flight" (which is what UFO's are--flying objects) would be a ridiculous assumption anyway.

 

[VanceMack]

Space aliens are probably a thousand times more probable than the Christian God.

The question asked was valid. Why do you specify "the Christian God" in your bigoted response to a commentary on aliens?

 

[it's just me]

Space aliens are probably a thousand times more probable than the Christian God.

You have no evidence of either but you have no trouble believing in little green men.