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For Abuse Victims, Life Just Got Harder

Hawkeye10 said:
Maybe it is an maybe it is not....that depends upon how one feels about suicide....my objection is that manipulators are calling suicide "gun deaths of innocent people"....this is abuse of language and proof that the speaker is more interested in driving an agenda than they are in speaking truth....than they are in clarity.
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While suicide is clearly not the only reason it's more dangerous to have a gun in the home than not there are a few issues around the act. For instance, it makes suicide much easier than ither methods. Another issue is efficiency. It's not unusual for someone to have second thoughts after taking pills or using other methods, but with guns, there us generally no turning back.

Guns in homes simply make it more dangerous to the family and their friends. For the most part, it's not worth it.
 
j brown's body said:
While suicide is clearly not the only reason it's more dangerous to have a gun in the home than not there are a few issues around the act. For instance, it makes suicide much easier than ither methods. Another issue is efficiency. It's not unusual for someone to have second thoughts after taking pills or using other methods, but with guns, there us generally no turning back.

Guns in homes simply make it more dangerous to the family and their friends. For the most part, it's not worth it.
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And studies on people who've survived suicide attempts show a significant number of those attempting suicide, do so quite soon after deciding to do so.
 
Rich2018 said:
And studies on people who've survived suicide attempts show a significant number of those attempting suicide, do so quite soon after deciding to do so.
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People who survive suicide failed a suicide ...were likely more interested in getting attention than success.....I want to know about those who do the job well....the ones who were serious.
 
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j brown's body said:
While suicide is clearly not the only reason it's more dangerous to have a gun in the home than not there are a few issues around the act. For instance, it makes suicide much easier than ither methods. Another issue is efficiency. It's not unusual for someone to have second thoughts after taking pills or using other methods, but with guns, there us generally no turning back.

Guns in homes simply make it more dangerous to the family and their friends. For the most part, it's not worth it.
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I’ll take the fabricated risk.
 
Aberration said:
I’ll take the fabricated risk.
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It’s a real risk backed up by mathematics. Gun in the home substantially increases the chance of death in that home.
 
Rich2018 said:
Same reson why we shake our heads in disbelief when a bullying victim takes their own life rather than stand up to their bullies.
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Bullies and abusers pick specific people to victimize. So, while maybe you, me and 90% of this sub forum would blow the SOB’s head off, the victims either kill themselves or suffer in silence.
 
calamity said:
Bullies and abusers pick specific people to victimize. So, while maybe you, me and 90% of this sub forum would blow the SOB’s head off, the victims either kill themselves or suffer in silence.
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People easier to manipulate

We all have a breaking point, for some that breaking point is aimed at self destruction.


I've heard it said that people contemplate suicide when they are unable to construct a future.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
People who survive suicide failed a suicide ...were likely more interested in getting attention than success.....
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That's an utterly stupid thing to say


You are clearly very young and/or have absolutely no experience dealing with suicidal people


Many people who survive a suicide attempt are overjoyed to have done so and most don't try again.



Learn something about a very sensitive topic before uttering any more stupid comments than can only make you look like an idiot.
 
Rich2018 said:
That's an utterly stupid thing to say


You are clearly very young and/or have absolutely no experience dealing with suicidal people


Many people who survive a suicide attempt are overjoyed to have done so and most don't try again.



Learn something about a very sensitive topic before uttering any more stupid comments than can only make you look like an idiot.
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Do you have a youtube video to support your contention that most suicidal people only try once?
 
The Number of Women Murdered by a Partner Is Rising

In the US, three women used to be killed by an intimate partner each day. The figure is now up—closer to four women a day. At the same time, the number of men who are murdered by an intimate partner has declined.

The means to kill is gun-related and the “why” invites us to recognize how violence against women is closely connected to the growing sentiment of hate promoted by white supremacists.
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The article is pretty good. I suggest reading it.

The mainstreaming of white supremacy and domestic violence are closely connected. A recent New York Times article, “A Common Trait Among Mass Killers: Hatred Toward Women,” reported, “The motivations of men who commit mass shootings are often muddled, complex or unknown. But one common thread that connects many of them—other than access to powerful firearms—is a history of hating women, assaulting wives, girlfriends and female family members, or sharing misogynistic views online.” (Bosman, et al, Aug. 10, 2019).
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Bullseye said:
And what do you propose to do about it?
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Ban abusive morons from acquiring guns. Post 36 paints a nice profile of those who are likely to fall in that category.
 
calamity said:
Ban abusive morons from acquiring guns. Post 36 paints a nice profile of those who are likely to fall in that category.
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We already do that. Post #36 is tripe. Now we're blaming marginal gains in White Supremacy groups for increased domestic violence So, let me play devil's advocate for a second. If a domestic dispute gets violent is a woman more likely to survive if she has a gun or if she choses to duke it out with the man?
 
Bullseye said:
We already do that. Post #36 is tripe. Now we're blaming marginal gains in White Supremacy groups for increased domestic violence So, let me play devil's advocate for a second. If a domestic dispute gets violent is a woman more likely to survive if she has a gun or if she choses to duke it out with the man?
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So, you asked the question just to spit out another worthless opinion. No surprise there.
 
Bullseye said:
...if a domestic dispute gets violent is a woman more likely to survive if she has a gun or if she choses to duke it out with the man?
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It would depend more on the woman than the gun.

Abused women often take abuse for years without every fighting back or leaving.


And courts tend to convict woman of murder if they shoot their spouse and claim self defense because he was abusive.


“Stand your ground”: black woman faces murder charges for shooting abusive husband - Vox
 
calamity said:
It’s a real risk backed up by mathematics. Gun in the home substantially increases the chance of death in that home.
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....to be clear; it more than outweighs the risk of an intruder killing you.
 
Rich2018 said:
....to be clear; it more than outweighs the risk of an intruder killing you.
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lol...Odds of an intruder killing you in your home is lower than winning the Powerball.


But, the odds of you killing yourself, your wife or having your kid kill himself or a friend with your gun are pretty damned high.
 
j brown's body said:
While suicide is clearly not the only reason it's more dangerous to have a gun in the home than not there are a few issues around the act. For instance, it makes suicide much easier than ither methods. Another issue is efficiency. It's not unusual for someone to have second thoughts after taking pills or using other methods, but with guns, there us generally no turning back.

Guns in homes simply make it more dangerous to the family and their friends. For the most part, it's not worth it.
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This is such a broad statement, as anything in your house that can cause death makes it more dangerous to the family and their friends.
 
gunned down by their husbands/estranged husbands in the last 4 days...




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