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Fauci: no evidence anti-malaria drug pushed by Trump works against virus

Paradoxical said:
Here is his exact quote which I posted and not a one liberal has had the guts to respond to it and admit that the OP is ridiculous as are all the comments supporting the OP:

“The information that you're referring to specifically is anecdotal,” Fauci added firmly. “It was not done in a controlled...

Either these left wing posters here are high school dropouts on daddies computer or if they are adults ignore reason and common sense. A DOCTOR cannot and WILL NOT say a drug is a cure unless and until it has gone through rigorous studies. Quite frankly, I am getting tried of the inane and asinine posts from almost all of these liberals who should know better and yet prattle on about Fauci not agreeing with Trump for no reason whatsoever but to attempt to show Trump was wrong,

Here we have a major epidemic and instead of these jerks hoping that Trump is right, irregardless of their hate for him, they WANT him to be wrong, which would mean thousands will die in agony instead of being cured by a drug he said showed promise.

If THIS is what I am going to get continually here, I will scour the internet for a board that has some genuine liberals instead of children faking that they are grown ups using avatars that are phony. Liberals are OK. Jerks and those who pretend they are being honest are not.
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Once Trump is involved, even tangentially our lib friends go into full slobber-slinging frenzy. No, logic, no reasoning, no data, no common sense can budge them from Trump Derangement.
 
JacksinPA said:
Fauci: no evidence anti-malaria drug pushed by Trump works against virus | World news | The Guardian

Trump urges Americans to try hydroxychloroquine

Donald Trump’s top coronavirus adviser has warned again that there is no scientific evidence to support the use of an unproven anti-malaria drug the president has been pushing as a possible remedy for Covid-19.

How science finally caught up with Trump's playbook – with millions of lives at stake

In White House briefings on Saturday and Sunday, Trump urged Americans worried about the virus to try hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria, arthritis and lupus that has not been extensively tested for other conditions.

“Take it. What do you have to lose?” Trump said on Saturday, suggesting he might do so himself after asking “my doctors”.

On Sunday, Trump said America doesn’t have time “to take a couple years” to test the efficacy of the drug in treating Covid-19.
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Taking HC like Tylenol is about as good as playing the lottery.
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Here is what a doctor said,but I am sure you know better.


“Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Dr. Anthony Cardillo told Eyewitness News in Los Angeles. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
 
washunut said:
Here is what a doctor said,but I am sure you know better.


“Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Dr. Anthony Cardillo told Eyewitness News in Los Angeles. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
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Why aren't ICU's around the country providing this treatment immediately given these fantastic results? The ICUS's could be empty in days!
 
This is why

At that point, it became clear to me what Trump hopes to get out of this endless hype about an unproven and dangerous drug: A QAnon-style conspiracy theory he can roll out, after the worst of the crisis has passed, about his heroic efforts to save everyone with a miracle drug, which were thwarted by shady “deep state” forces who denied the public this lifesaving drug as part of a plot to make him look bad.
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BlueTex said:
Why aren't ICU's around the country providing this treatment immediately given these fantastic results? The ICUS's could be empty in days!
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Because thankfully knuckle draggers are no longer the decision makers when it comes to societal care.

dumbald is a complete idiot and only another idiot can fail to comprehend that fact, here's a link to a different post I made that sheds just a little light on why brain dead bloated landlords are not going to be allowed to call the shots here.

This is far too important to allow trump to have a say.
 
Bullseye said:
Once Trump is involved, even tangentially our lib friends go into full slobber-slinging frenzy. No, logic, no reasoning, no data, no common sense can budge them from Trump Derangement.
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I can see that and it is baffling to me, to be honest. I posted this. YOU posted this, and others posted this. It's like there is some sort of mental sickness or block that goes on in their brains that say they MUST hate Trump, or else. I blame most all of it on MSM and the tribal mentality where one side is pitted against the other and MSM uses their listeners and readers as warriors, and in the case of here, internet warriors looking to sleigh the dragon with choice words. Dr. Fauci is being true to his profession and they don't want to see it that way. I have read some articles in MSM where they are suggesting there is a riff between Fauci and Trump, and it goes like this: "Trump is the idiot and Fauci is the smart one and the idiot is saying that Chloroquine will always work and Fauci is smacking him down because Trump is not a doctor. It's worse because Fauci is the guy that is on Trump's team!"

This is a false narrative and what is extremely upsetting is that they do it ALL the time and their minions just follow them blindly like sheep and parrot back what MSM says here and elsewhere, which is exactly what they expect and want their sheep to do.....to be internet warriors for their cause no matter if they all KNOW it is a lie.
 
So weighing the gravitas of a measured statement by a clinical expert on the effectiveness of a drug, against the hunch of a game show host, is TDS? You have it bad.
 
The con man from Manhattan can't lose. All he has to do is keep pushing every new drug that pops up and he'll eventually be the hero and savior of the United States.

Well, to a bunch of idiots who wouldn't let their own children act the way he acts.
 
dave8383 said:
Oh, so now its a cure is it?
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It has potential. It's all we have right now. If your mom was in ICU, would you want her to get it? Or would you prefer she dies?
 
buck said:
That's what many medical pros are doing... By prescribing it to (potentially) save lives. Yet, democrat governors are getting in the way of the doctors job by threatening the doctors or outright banning the drug they want to prescribe to treat coronavirus.

Those left wing minions always want it both ways. A medical decision should be between a patient and a doctor.. Until the doctors try to save lives by prescribing drugs for off label purposes that might potentially get in the way of more coronavirus deaths that might make Trump look worse. Yes, I can be as hyperbolic as you.
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No hyperbole in the least. We are actually saying the same thing; except I don't want Trump using his megaphone to have people "try" things.
Medical doctors who are paid to handle this stuff are already administering it where they think it's safe to do so. Trump does not have the experience to add the necessary caveat which makes his rhetoric dangerous.
 
Lutherf said:
You can't buy this stuff OTC so doctors are prescribing it. If Fauci doesn't like the idea then that's his opinion but other medical professionals seem to feel differently and it WAS used to cope with other coronaviruses.
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hydroxychloroquine is an effective agent against MANY RNA viruses. It is effective against the close relative of SARS CoV-2, that being SARS-CoV-1 - see below article at science direct

Interesting to read about for anyone interested in more than just bad mouthing the orange man

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Antiviral properties of chloroquine

In vitro, chloroquine appears as a versatile bioactive agent reported to possess antiviral activity against RNA viruses ....

New insights on the antiviral effects of chloroquine against coronavirus: what to expect for COVID-19? - ScienceDirect!
 
Paradoxical said:
I can see that and it is baffling to me, to be honest. I posted this. YOU posted this, and others posted this. It's like there is some sort of mental sickness or block that goes on in their brains that say they MUST hate Trump, or else. I blame most all of it on MSM and the tribal mentality where one side is pitted against the other and MSM uses their listeners and readers as warriors, and in the case of here, internet warriors looking to sleigh the dragon with choice words. Dr. Fauci is being true to his profession and they don't want to see it that way. I have read some articles in MSM where they are suggesting there is a riff between Fauci and Trump, and it goes like this: "Trump is the idiot and Fauci is the smart one and the idiot is saying that Chloroquine will always work and Fauci is smacking him down because Trump is not a doctor. It's worse because Fauci is the guy that is on Trump's team!"

This is a false narrative and what is extremely upsetting is that they do it ALL the time and their minions just follow them blindly like sheep and parrot back what MSM says here and elsewhere, which is exactly what they expect and want their sheep to do.....to be internet warriors for their cause no matter if they all KNOW it is a lie.
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It is sad.

But what else can you do, other than provide information ? - of course they're going to ignore it, and yell "Orange man BAD !!" No matter what.

More information...

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COVID-19 Drug Therapy
Tim Smith, PharmD, BCPS; Jennifer Bushek, PharmD; Tony Prosser, PharmD
Clinical Drug Information | Clinical Solutions

. Several agents are being used under clinical trial and compassionate use protocols based on in vitro activity (against SARS-CoV-2 or related viruses) and on limited clinical experience. Efficacy has not been established for any drug
therapy.

o Chloroquine – In vitro and limited clinical data suggest potential benefit.

o Hydroxychloroquine – In vitro and limited clinical data suggest potential benefit.

o Lopinavir; Ritonavir - Role in the treatment of COVID-19 is unclear. Preclinical datasuggested potential benefit; however, more recent data has failed to confirm.

o Remdesivir – Investigational and available only through expanded access and study protocols; several large clinical trials are underway.

o Azithromycin – Used in some protocols based on theoretical mechanism and limited preliminary data as adjunct therapy.

o Tocilizumab – Immunomodulating agent used in some protocols based on theoretical mechanism and limited preliminary data as adjunct therapy.

o COVID-19 convalescent plasma – Investigational use is being studied

Chloroquine: Chloroquine has in vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2 and may have immunomodulating properties.

Mechanisms may include inhibition of viral enzymes or processes such as viral DNA and RNA polymerase, viral protein glycosylation, virus assembly, new virus particle transport, and virus release. Other mechanisms may also involve ACE2
cellular receptor inhibition, acidification at the surface of the cell membrane inhibiting fusion of the virus, and immunomodulation of cytokine release.

Pre-clinical data in vitro suggest chloroquine has activity has activity against SARS-CoV-2

There have been reports of potential benefit in inhibiting the exacerbation of pneumonia patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection; however, specific data are not available.

https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/988648/COVID-19-Drug-Therapy_Mar-2020.pdf

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Give them information, if they choose to keep entertaining their mindless hate, it will only hurt them. Hate is a destructive force for those who engage it long-term.
 
The sad and completely predictable thing about all this is that eventually the whole hydroxychloroquine craze will fizzle out and trump supporters will act like it never happened, just like they act like all their crazy predictions about the virus going away in a few days never happened.
 
Paradoxical said:
It has potential. It's all we have right now. If your mom was in ICU, would you want her to get it? Or would you prefer she dies?
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There are hundreds of mom's in ICU right now. Why is this treatment not being administered immediately?
 
JacksinPA said:
Fauci: no evidence anti-malaria drug pushed by Trump works against virus | World news | The Guardian

Trump urges Americans to try hydroxychloroquine

Donald Trump’s top coronavirus adviser has warned again that there is no scientific evidence to support the use of an unproven anti-malaria drug the president has been pushing as a possible remedy for Covid-19.

How science finally caught up with Trump's playbook – with millions of lives at stake

In White House briefings on Saturday and Sunday, Trump urged Americans worried about the virus to try hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria, arthritis and lupus that has not been extensively tested for other conditions.

“Take it. What do you have to lose?” Trump said on Saturday, suggesting he might do so himself after asking “my doctors”.

On Sunday, Trump said America doesn’t have time “to take a couple years” to test the efficacy of the drug in treating Covid-19.
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Taking HC like Tylenol is about as good as playing the lottery.
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That's just factually incorrect. There are numerous people using it and reporting success. This just isn't here in the U.S. Europe is on top of this as well. India produces the drug for most of the world and they are now hoarding it....they are all collectively wrong? Please.
 
Cardinal said:
The sad and completely predictable thing about all this is that eventually the whole hydroxychloroquine craze will fizzle out and trump supporters will act like it never happened, just like they act like all their crazy predictions about the virus going away in a few days never happened.
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Were you kneeling, head the heavens, hands clasped in deep prayer when you typed the above?
 
BlueTex said:
There are hundreds of mom's in ICU right now. Why is this treatment not being administered immediately?
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How should I know? Send a query to the hospitals or doctors. Why ask me?
 
captaintrips said:
It is sad.

But what else can you do, other than provide information ? - of course they're going to ignore it, and yell "Orange man BAD !!" No matter what.

More information...

-------------------------------------------------

COVID-19 Drug Therapy
Tim Smith, PharmD, BCPS; Jennifer Bushek, PharmD; Tony Prosser, PharmD
Clinical Drug Information | Clinical Solutions

. Several agents are being used under clinical trial and compassionate use protocols based on in vitro activity (against SARS-CoV-2 or related viruses) and on limited clinical experience. Efficacy has not been established for any drug
therapy.

o Chloroquine – In vitro and limited clinical data suggest potential benefit.

o Hydroxychloroquine – In vitro and limited clinical data suggest potential benefit.

o Lopinavir; Ritonavir - Role in the treatment of COVID-19 is unclear. Preclinical datasuggested potential benefit; however, more recent data has failed to confirm.

o Remdesivir – Investigational and available only through expanded access and study protocols; several large clinical trials are underway.

o Azithromycin – Used in some protocols based on theoretical mechanism and limited preliminary data as adjunct therapy.

o Tocilizumab – Immunomodulating agent used in some protocols based on theoretical mechanism and limited preliminary data as adjunct therapy.

o COVID-19 convalescent plasma – Investigational use is being studied

Chloroquine: Chloroquine has in vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2 and may have immunomodulating properties.

Mechanisms may include inhibition of viral enzymes or processes such as viral DNA and RNA polymerase, viral protein glycosylation, virus assembly, new virus particle transport, and virus release. Other mechanisms may also involve ACE2
cellular receptor inhibition, acidification at the surface of the cell membrane inhibiting fusion of the virus, and immunomodulation of cytokine release.

Pre-clinical data in vitro suggest chloroquine has activity has activity against SARS-CoV-2

There have been reports of potential benefit in inhibiting the exacerbation of pneumonia patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection; however, specific data are not available.

https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/988648/COVID-19-Drug-Therapy_Mar-2020.pdf

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Give them information, if they choose to keep entertaining their mindless hate, it will only hurt them. Hate is a destructive force for those who engage it long-term.
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The ONLY thing I care about at this point is that ALSO lose the House on November 3.
 
Paradoxical said:
It has potential. It's all we have right now. If your mom was in ICU, would you want her to get it? Or would you prefer she dies?
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That's a made up choice. What she would do is follow the doctor's orders. BTW, they don't even know when the appropriate time to introduce it is. Introduce it at the wrong time with the wrong patient and that patient dies of side effects from the drug.
 
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