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Fauci: no evidence anti-malaria drug pushed by Trump works against virus

It certainly is irresponsible for him to make sweeping statements about non-clinically tested drugs for a particular virus.
Then leave it at that.

But do you think Doctors who are prescribing the hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin combinations for treatment of their patients with COVID-19 should be declared quack doctors and stripped of their licenses to practice medicine because of the lack of clinical trials of these drugs in relation to COVID-19?

Where did I or the larger media or "democrats" ever promote such lunacy, and how is it related to the above fact that Trump did wrong (for the zillionth time)?
That you have to make up such phony stramwan "queries", to try and save the argument, is evidence that you know your argument was failed to begin with.
 
It is more about thorough studies being done.

The left doesnt care about studies. They care about damaging trump. Because Trump likes it, they hate it. Its no deeper than that.
 
Then leave it at that.

No. I despise Donald Trump, I think he fell down on the job in relation to his reaction to the global pandemic, but I will not brook unsound reasoning from any quarter for or against him.

Where did I or the larger media or "democrats" ever promote such lunacy, and how is it related to the above fact that Trump did wrong (for the zillionth time)?
That you have to make up such phony stramwan "queries", to try and save the argument, is evidence that you know your argument was failed to begin with.

That is not the question I asked, nor have I yet leveled such an accusation at you. Again, in your learned opinion, are these doctors being professionally irresponsible for prescribing a treatment involving what I think both of us would agree are potentially dangerous drugs (in improper dosages/with potentially dangerous side effects) and which has not been put through the appropriate clinical trials?
 
No. I despise Donald Trump, I think he fell down on the job in relation to his reaction to the global pandemic, but I will not brook unsound reasoning from any quarter for or against him.
That is not the question I asked, nor have I yet leveled such an accusation at you. Again, in your learned opinion, are these doctors being professionally irresponsible for prescribing a treatment of what I think would both of us would agree are potentially dangerous drugs (in improper dosages/with potentially dangerous side effects) and which has not been put through the appropriate clinical trials?

I have no idea what the specifics are for practicing medicine, including in cases where life outcome is poor coupled with dealing with a new/unknown disease like CV19.
That's why I won't answer it, because I do not know, because I am also, not a doctor.
Why can't he, and others, remain silent on things they don't know about?
 
The left doesnt care about studies. They care about damaging trump. Because Trump likes it, they hate it. Its no deeper than that.

Lovebug corrected you, correctly.
Fauci told everyone the drug has not shown efficacy in clinical trials.
Trump promoted it, as though he was giving out medical advice, it's a terrible thing he did.

His improper actions, deserve condemnation. But here you are defending it with stupid nonsense as usual.
 
Look what happened the last time Trump said, “what in the hell do you have to lose?”




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Black/hispanic/women unemployment dropped to historical lows?


end thread now?
 
I have no idea what the specifics are for practicing medicine, including in cases where life outcome is poor coupled with dealing with a new/unknown disease like CV19.
That's why I won't answer it, because I do not know, because I am also, not a doctor.
Why can't he, and others, remain silent on things they don't know about?

C’mon. Man..........
 
To try it without knowing whether it is effective seems like a pretty big gamble to take.

It has potentially horrible side effects as well. So you're sick with COVID-19. Do you want to feel sicker?
 
It is. But if we can run some real experiments and find out if there is any effect, that would prove useful information. I don't think that's what is being done. But if there's some possibility that this proves useful against Covid, then we should run the experiments and find out.

The other testing that needs to be done is against other treatments. Yes, this option may 'help' some people fight off the effects of cv but there may also be better ones available or being researched. This doesnt seem like a very reliable treatment so far...To me, the danger would be focusing on this if there may be better ones being developed. And yes, I give the medical community enough credit to do so.

But sometimes, when I see the politicizing of this disease...like the horrible treatment of the Navy commander that got fired for stepping up for his crew, fired for political and not health-related reasons...I believe it's worth being skeptical.
 
Which means doctors don't know. You don't know. Trump doesn't know.
If you don't know, be quiet.


Absurd. He's likely already caused harm to people as a result of his public championing of taking a drug that has now clinically demonstrated efficacy, and that has other side effects when given with the other drugs used to treat CV19 right now.
Additionally, tons of people are now harassing their physicians for this and zpacks, and its disrupting the medical treatment protocols.

That's why not-a-doctor Trump, should let doctors treat patients. They all have access to what treatments are being tried, and that show promise around the world. Leave that decision to the experts.

But we all know Trump did this for some other purpose...likely as you say, an irresponsible roll of the dice. If he's wrong, he tried. If he's right, he can say he's the savior.

Shame on you all.

So, if it really does work against the actual virus.. you'll have to thank Trump for saving so many lives despite your objections.
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Y'all are mad that they're even trying, because "Orang man bad!" You're going to be mad AF if it turns out to be a winner...lol
 
The other testing that needs to be done is against other treatments. Yes, this option may 'help' some people fight off the effects of cv but there may also be better ones available or being researched. This doesnt seem like a very reliable treatment so far...To me, the danger would be focusing on this if there may be better ones being developed. And yes, I give the medical community enough credit to do so.

But sometimes, when I see the politicizing of this disease...like the horrible treatment of the Navy commander that got fired for stepping up for his crew, fired for political and not health-related reasons...I believe it's worth being skeptical.

Every drug with potential to fight the virus should be tried out.

If ten different drugs are tested and five are effective, that's absolute victory.

Getting pissed off because Trump said that this drug, or that drug has potential is just ****ing stupid.
 
Every drug with potential to fight the virus should be tried out.

If ten different drugs are tested and five are effective, that's absolute victory.

Getting pissed off because Trump said that this drug, or that drug has potential is just ****ing stupid.

It's generally to your detriment to respond to me but here you are just stating the obvious...and getting my signature out in front of people more.

Thank you :mrgreen: That sentiment has been expressed more and more as people see the different state and partisan reactions.
 
The left doesnt care about studies. They care about damaging trump. Because Trump likes it, they hate it. Its no deeper than that.

Succinct and hilarious...
This is just another of their faux outrages, different day, different ****.

Hey, the TDSers must be running out of things to have a tizzy fit about, ya think?
Maybe back to Putin next week?
 
Why would Trump get credit for promoting it when it was already being used around the world and clinical trials around the world were popping up for it, etc?
Credit for it? The medical community gets credit...the patients who volunteered to be part of the study...the original developers, the countries around the world that are also testing it.

The idea that Trump "gets credit" is too stupid for words.

You know... raising awareness of a potential treatment so doctors wold know it might work and (potentially) save thousands of lives... But that's OK. The media has their narrative... Many buy in to it without question. Trump is a murderer and should be hung at the Hague, imo.
 
Is there something at that link you were trying to point out? Here is the first sentence: There are no US Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved drugs specifically for the treatment of patients with COVID-19.

Want to wait for a year and a half then?
 
I have no idea what the specifics are for practicing medicine, including in cases where life outcome is poor coupled with dealing with a new/unknown disease like CV19.
That's why I won't answer it, because I do not know, because I am also, not a doctor.
Why can't he, and others, remain silent on things they don't know about?

You mean like "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold?" -- Barack Obama
 
Lovebug corrected you, correctly.
Fauci told everyone the drug has not shown efficacy in clinical trials.
Trump promoted it, as though he was giving out medical advice, it's a terrible thing he did.

His improper actions, deserve condemnation. But here you are defending it with stupid nonsense as usual.

What clinical trials was Fauci citing at the time?
 
Fauci: no evidence anti-malaria drug pushed by Trump works against virus | World news | The Guardian

Trump urges Americans to try hydroxychloroquine

Donald Trump’s top coronavirus adviser has warned again that there is no scientific evidence to support the use of an unproven anti-malaria drug the president has been pushing as a possible remedy for Covid-19.

How science finally caught up with Trump's playbook – with millions of lives at stake

In White House briefings on Saturday and Sunday, Trump urged Americans worried about the virus to try hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria, arthritis and lupus that has not been extensively tested for other conditions.

“Take it. What do you have to lose?” Trump said on Saturday, suggesting he might do so himself after asking “my doctors”.

On Sunday, Trump said America doesn’t have time “to take a couple years” to test the efficacy of the drug in treating Covid-19.
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Taking HC like Tylenol is about as good as playing the lottery.

Do you folks know that a doctor cannot say that something about the efficacy of a drug that hasn't gone through the rigorous and lengthy testings demanded by the FDA?

You do know this, right?

Here is his quote:

“The information that you're referring to specifically is anecdotal,” Fauci added firmly. “It was not done in a controlled clinical trial, so you really can't make any definitive statement about it.”

What else would you expect a doctor to say???
 
What about the shortage of the drug where people need it for malaria?

Or, Lupus.

I will note that it 'might' have an effect for mild cases.
 
The Guardian article written 6 April is citing Dr Fauci from 21 March. Since then, hospitals and DRs across the globe have used hydroxychloroquine in combinations with other drugs to great success. This article is like all the other mindless left anti-Trump diatribes aimed at supporting the mindless anti-Trump leftists that alternatively **** themselves over Trump recommending the use of hydroxychloroquine to bemoaning the shortages of hydroxychloroquine.

Do you have something to show that hospitals are using it "to great success?"
 
From today:

Why does Trump keep touting their benefits?

As the coronavirus has spread from China across the world and to the United States, the dire reality is that there is no vaccine and no approved drug available to treat the serious respiratory symptoms that are claiming thousand of lives.

In repeatedly trumpeting unproven drugs from the White House briefing room, Trump has rallied elements of his base around the potential for a cure and sought to portray himself as a wartime president taking action. Trump has said he is eager to push the FDA to approve drugs and get them into hospitals quickly, regardless of the lack of evidence that they work. “The president is talking about hope for people. And it’s not an unreasonable thing to hope for people,” Fauci said at the White House on March 21.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...business&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

The mystery of the day is, "Why are Republicans so obsessed with hydroxychloroquine?" Are we going to learn that the administration has shares in Novartis?
 
Do you have something to show that hospitals are using it "to great success?"
Lots. But you can find it with a google search of your own and as recent history has shown here, no matter the number of times those hospitals and instances are posted leftists will still default to their typical "Nu UH!" In other words...why bother with people like you?

So go do your own reading...or better yet...don't. And if you get the virus or if someone you love does and you get ill to the point of life or death, make sure you DON'T take the drug, because **** Trump.
 
What clinical trials was Fauci citing at the time?

No significant clinical trials to warrant calling it efficacious in treating CV19.

The "no" indicates none. That you asked which trial, doesn't look smart.

There was one, supposedly foreign trial, that did in fact show it didn't work...so there's that too.
 

After that word is where you would have posted a link to a source showing that hospitals are using it "to great success."
 
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