Faith and politics[W:398]

[blarg]

You really don't seem to get the simple fact that following God's laws actually does make many people happier than they experienced without it. Your personal arguments are as empty to them from their own experience as your sky is to you.

you being happy with a religion dosent actually mean the religion is from a god though

on the other hand being happier out side of a religion dosent mean a god is not behind that faith

 

[Cherub786]

If you don’t have your Faith to guide you in the world of politics, what do you have? We see that these days all mainstream and empowered politicians have basically no ideology, not salient values, and simply puppets on strings for various interest groups and lobbies. The ‘Deep State’ doesn’t want any kind of values-based politics that is informed by Faith or Religion. Marx said that religion is the opiate of the masses, but the truth is that it is the highly personalized approach to religion, where religion is divorced from the public sphere and a person’s lifestyle, is the approach pushed by the Deep State because it knows that the real threat to its hegemony is religion-based politics which has the potential to awaken the masses. Marx didn’t understand religion at all. Ironically, the actual opiate of the masses is the kind of politics he introduced which is obsessed with the material and with wealth distribution.

 

[blarg]

If you don’t have your Faith to guide you in the world of politics, what do you have? We see that these days all mainstream and empowered politicians have basically no ideology, not salient values, and simply puppets on strings for various interest groups and lobbies. The ‘Deep State’ doesn’t want any kind of values-based politics that is informed by Faith or Religion. Marx said that religion is the opiate of the masses, but the truth is that it is the highly personalized approach to religion, where religion is divorced from the public sphere and a person’s lifestyle, is the approach pushed by the Deep State because it knows that the real threat to its hegemony is religion-based politics which has the potential to awaken the masses. Marx didn’t understand religion at all. Ironically, the actual opiate of the masses is the kind of politics he introduced which is obsessed with the material and with wealth distribution.

your values that dont require magic? corruption is bad but so is many peoples faith especially when they want to push it on others

 

[Cherub786]

your values that dont require magic? corruption is bad but so is many peoples faith especially when they want to push it on others

What do you mean by magic?

The point of evangelism is to invite people to the Faith through persuasive methods, not through coercion. A politician whose politics is informed by his Faith is less susceptible to corruption and being under the thumb of the powerful interest groups and lobbies.

 

[Aquemini1337]

In a recent discussion of abortion, I was reminded by a philosophical ally that there are those who have faith AND believe in human rights for women. It got me thinking about the difference, not really in the definition of faith, but how its applied. It seems to me there are two ways that faith exists.

For some people their faith is a product of their morality and, by learning the truth, they come to know god. For others, their morality is a product of faith and truth is a pre-existing shape to which reality must be molded. No doubt, some people possess such a rigid idea of morality and faith that no new information can be allowed to challenge it. Others are happy to see their morality and faith evolve with the addition of new facts.

So, my question is, does anyone believe that what their god prefers can be different than what makes sense for human, civil society? Or, do you believe that what is right for humans MUST naturally be consistent with morality and adjust your faith accordingly.

Would you describe your faith as rigid or flexible and how does that make it work better for you?

How do you reconcile your faith when what your faith demands is inconsistent with what you or others need to be happy?

Just curious...

My belief is that God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, sets the conditions, and his word is supreme. He is the un-judged, judge.

1) I am a Christian, so that means I follow Jesus Christ, and the Bible is the living word of God, and that we were given salvation through Grace on the cross, where an eternally perfect being, died to atone for the sin of mankind, eternally.
2) I believe in the God of the Bible, and therefore all information must filter through HIS word.
3) My belief is Rigid, in the sense that, I believe our flesh (desires/weaknesses) is at war with our soul.
4) I obviously believe God's existence is factual. If it is a fact, what I believe, then it remains a fact regardless of how I (or any human) feel about it. It is independent of our input, we don't have a vote.
5) I have a humble spirit, and mind toward God. I admit I do/desire to do wrong, and that I am at a disadvantage in my current condition, and environment. In order to judge God, we would all need to have complete knowledge of all true facts, and without that any judgment against God is meaningless.

Lastly, is it your belief that the purpose for our existence is to be happy here on earth? I do not believe that (I am not saying that I am not happy, its more my indictment of what the world sells as happiness). If that makes sense. Christianity answers the four most fundamental questions to existence more coherently than any other religion, imho:

1) Origin- Where did we come from?
2) Meaning- Why are we here?
3) Morality- What is the nature of good and evil?
4) Destiny- Where do we go after we die?

my .02

 

[blarg]

What do you mean by magic?

The point of evangelism is to invite people to the Faith through persuasive methods, not through coercion. A politician whose politics is informed by his Faith is less susceptible to corruption and being under the thumb of the powerful interest groups and lobbies.

corruption is bad but many evangelicals are worse cant trust some one who believes every one deserves to suffer endlessly and who judges others by faith look at this bastard

 

[jmotivator]

you being happy with a religion dosent actually mean the religion is from a god though

on the other hand being happier out side of a religion dosent mean a god is not behind that faith

I'm not claiming it as proof of God, I am responding to the idiotic Atheistic preaching about what Christians know, don't know and are missing out on.

 

[devildavid]

Quite the contrary, Nota...faith gives us hope and confidence in the future with much less anxiety and fear than the average person...granted, there is always some because we are imperfect humans but the stress level is down tremendously and the joy is abundant...

People of faith come in the full spectrum of emotional states that people without faith do.

 

[stevecanuck]

2) Meaning- Why are we here?

This questions implies that there is indeed a reason, and that there is a planner who put us here. In other words, the question itself is an article of religious belief that not just asks a question, but carries with it, Trojan horse style, adherence to belief in a planner.

 

[D_NATURED]

That reads like a Octogenarian describing punk rock. You really don't get it but aren't letting that get in the way of telling people you don't like it anyway.

No, it's you that doesn't get it. Everything I wrote was 100% true. The proof is evident in the way that when an atheist admits that on this forum, they are answered with " you better be right".

Without the threat of Hell, Christianity and Islam would be impotent. You see, they invented the most horrible thing imaginable and use it to excuse whatever they have to do to convert you, saving you from something much worse.

Their oppression is a favor they do for your eternal soul. God works through men, after all, so the blood means that His work is being done effectively.

 

[D_NATURED]

I'm not claiming it as proof of God, I am responding to the idiotic Atheistic preaching about what Christians know, don't know and are missing out on.

That's the thing, all of the different points on the faith spectrum bring with them degrees of harm. I can no more call them all hostile to reality as you can call them all rational. This I can say with certainty, faith provides a convenient, untestable excuse for why they do harm. Obviously, when they do good no excuse is needed. Thus the real purpose of faith reveals itself.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Quite the contrary, Nota...faith gives us hope and confidence in the future with much less anxiety and fear than the average person...granted, there is always some because we are imperfect humans but the stress level is down tremendously and the joy is abundant...

Yes, that's possible because if you sincerely believe that you have all of the answers, you aren't weighed down by some questions that others continue to ponder. But remember that the technique works for any belief, no matter if it's true or false - as long as you strongly believe it, you will have a source of peace.

I don't know about all Christians, but the evangelicals that own some of the radio stations here (syndicates, actually) sound anything but happy. They whine like SJW's but generally from the opposite perspective. It's sad, but TV and radio preachers are the face of Christianity. Where are the sane voices?

 

[jmotivator]

No, it's you that doesn't get it. Everything I wrote was 100% true.

LOL. You stated opinion about what you believe other people believe. There is no such thing as true opinion.

The proof is evident in the way that when an atheist admits that on this forum, they are answered with " you better be right".

Huh? That is not how I responded. I stated I am perfectly happy in my life and my beliefs and was miserable as an atheist. If you are happy then good for you. Just stop showing your ignorance by claiming you know what others feel about their life choices.

Without the threat of Hell, Christianity and Islam would be impotent. You see, they invented the most horrible thing imaginable and use it to excuse whatever they have to do to convert you, saving you from something much worse.

False. Even without Heaven and Hell the 10 Commandments are still a solid blueprint for human civilization.

Their oppression is a favor they do for your eternal soul. God works through men, after all, so the blood means that His work is being done effectively.

It's funny because you are doing some hefty projection there. I haven't threatened you with Hell and yet there you are lecturing us on the joy we are missing if we don't believe as you do.

 

[jmotivator]

That's the thing, all of the different points on the faith spectrum bring with them degrees of harm. I can no more call them all hostile to reality as you can call them all rational. This I can say with certainty, faith provides a convenient, untestable excuse for why they do harm. Obviously, when they do good no excuse is needed. Thus the real purpose of faith reveals itself.

LOL. Do you think atheists do less harm than the faithful? Pretty sure both sides are in a dead heat.

 

[Jaygodmedia]

JUST to be clear here so the majority of the world believes in Ghost and Liars aka religion and politics? JUST wanna be clear. There is no faith in politics anymore if their ever was. The so called Christians GOP base voted into office a very sinful man whom has never asked for forgiveness or has ever in his eyes done anything wrong. A man whom believes in his own bs so much he don't even think it stinks. The GOP Christians sold their political souls to this wicked liar.
Not that any of you care because we'll it's what you have become blinded by the bs and lies.
Here's a Bible verse for you. St. JOHN 8:44. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Yeah that's your current president.

 

[Daisy]

Yes, that's possible because if you sincerely believe that you have all of the answers, you aren't weighed down by some questions that others continue to ponder. But remember that the technique works for any belief, no matter if it's true or false - as long as you strongly believe it, you will have a source of peace.

I don't know about all Christians, but the evangelicals that own some of the radio stations here (syndicates, actually) sound anything but happy. They whine like SJW's but generally from the opposite perspective. It's sad, but TV and radio preachers are the face of Christianity. Where are the sane voices?

Which is exactly why I don't care to listen to any of them...begging for money seems to be their first priority...

What's an SJW?

 

[Daisy]

No, it's you that doesn't get it. Everything I wrote was 100% true. The proof is evident in the way that when an atheist admits that on this forum, they are answered with " you better be right".

Without the threat of Hell, Christianity and Islam would be impotent. You see, they invented the most horrible thing imaginable and use it to excuse whatever they have to do to convert you, saving you from something much worse.

Their oppression is a favor they do for your eternal soul. God works through men, after all, so the blood means that His work is being done effectively.

Not true...JW's have grown from a small, minute number in the late 1800's to over 8 million world wide today and still going strong...increasing every day...we serve, not out of fear, but out of love...

 

[zyzygy]

Not true...JW's have grown from a small, minute number in the late 1800's to over 8 million world wide today and still going strong...increasing every day...we serve, not out of fear, but out of love...

Are you a part of the Great Crowd?

 

[Daisy]

Are you a part of the Great Crowd?

Yes...

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Which is exactly why I don't care to listen to any of them...begging for money seems to be their first priority...

What's an SJW?

SJW = social justice warrior.

 

[stevecanuck]

LOL! Amazing lack of self-awareness there, Steve. My response was to your post telling us religious people what we "don't get". :lamo

Please tell me, do Muslims "get it"?

 

[jmotivator]

Please tell me, do Muslims "get it"?

Ask a Muslim.

 

[blarg]

corruption is bad but many evangelicals are worse cant trust some one who believes every one deserves to suffer endlessly and who judges others by faith look at this bastard

cant trust some one who believes every one deserves to die either elvira

 

[John Prewett]

JUST to be clear here so the majority of the world believes in Ghost and Liars aka religion and politics?

JUST wanna be clear. There is no faith in politics anymore if their ever was.
The so called Christians GOP base voted into office a very sinful man whom has never asked for forgiveness or has ever in his eyes done anything wrong.
A man whom believes in his own bs so much he don't even think it stinks.
The GOP Christians sold their political souls to this wicked liar.
Not that any of you care because we'll it's what you have become blinded by the bs and lies.

Here's a Bible verse for you. St. JOHN 8:44. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires.
He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him.
When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Yeah that's your current president.

I'd post Sept 9, 2010 picture of Obama surrounded by Jesuit trained "intelligence" community types but evidently I'm not allowed to .... keep getting "it's too big" notice even after I cut the picture in half

Search engine: Obama surrounded by Jesuit trained .. first few hits .... Trump also Jesuit trained at Fordham

 

[Daisy]

cant trust some one who believes every one deserves to die either elvira

Definitely a conflict of interest...either be a minister of God's Word or a secular judge...you can't do both well..