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Equal outcomes are not a noble goal.

soylentgreen said:
Another wonderful example of think up stupid ways of doing things. Only the ignorant think that "equal" is the correct word to use . As if anyone is trying to produce an equal outcome. It is a ridiculous notion but that is all you really have. To pretend that that is what is trying to be achieve.

The words you need to understand is equality of opportunity. An entirely different premise from your silly opinion of being equal.
Equality of Opportunity (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
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Equality of opportunity cannot be achieved because equal abilities cannot be enforced. Someone with an IQ of 85 does not have the same opportunities as someone with an IQ of 115.
 
bricklayer said:
Equality of opportunity cannot be achieved because equal abilities cannot be enforced. Someone with an IQ of 85 does not have the same opportunities as someone with an IQ of 115.
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Should the person with lower IQ not receive the same fire service as others?
 
vegas giants said:
Should the person with lower IQ not receive the same fire service as others?
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Should a person with a higher IQ receive only the service that a low IQ person can provide?
 
bricklayer said:
Equality of opportunity cannot be achieved because equal abilities cannot be enforced. Someone with an IQ of 85 does not have the same opportunities as someone with an IQ of 115.
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You really do fail to understand a concept even when it is laid out for you.

You again are practicing the make a stupid way of doing something and then congratulating yourself for pointing out how stupid it is. Nothing more.

An equality of opportunity does not insist that someone who is unqualified for a job should get that job. Only that those who are qualified should not be dismissed just because they do not fit a certain parameter that someone has arbitrarily set .

Where as all you are giving us is an incompetent understanding that for some ridiculous and unexplained reason seems to say that everyone should act as if they are the same.
 
soylentgreen said:
You really do fail to understand a concept even when it is laid out for you.

You again are practicing the make a stupid way of doing something and then congratulating yourself for pointing out how stupid it is. Nothing more.

An equality of opportunity does not insist that someone who is unqualified for a job should get that job. Only that those who are qualified should not be dismissed just because they do not fit a certain parameter that someone has arbitrarily set .

Where as all you are giving us is an incompetent understanding that for some ridiculous and unexplained reason seems to say that everyone should act as if they are the same.
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Arbitrarily declaring all inputs to be equal does not justify enforcing equal outcomes.
 
Since 'equality of outcomes' is a made up goal there is nothing serious here to talk about.
 
bricklayer said:
Equal outcomes are not a noble goal because equal inputs cannot be, and should not be, enforced.

The rebranding of envy as 'social justice' doesn't fool me.

FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR WILL and TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY
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If you don't want to sound like a nut job ranting on and on maybe you should explain your position so we can understand it. Who do you think is demanding equal outcomes? How are they framing their demand's? Exactly what is rebranding of social justice? And who is envying what?
 
weaver2 said:
If you don't want to sound like a nut job ranting on and on maybe you should explain your position so we can understand it. Who do you think is demanding equal outcomes? How are they framing their demand's? Exactly what is rebranding of social justice? And who is envying what?
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That wasn't covered in the talking point.
 
weaver2 said:
If you don't want to sound like a nut job ranting on and on maybe you should explain your position so we can understand it. Who do you think is demanding equal outcomes? How are they framing their demand's? Exactly what is rebranding of social justice? And who is envying what?
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Right wingers don't really care about the laws. Equal protection of the laws means nothing to them if it involves the Poor.
 
bricklayer said:
Arbitrarily declaring all inputs to be equal does not justify enforcing equal outcomes.
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And again another fine example by you of thinking up stupid ways of doing things.

No need to or even a good reason to declare all inputs to be equal. It is not even close to the reasoning used behind equality of opportunity.

And again no one seriously is asking for equal income or outgoing. Except of course the ignorant, like you.
 
bricklayer said:
Equal outcomes are not a noble goal because equal inputs cannot be, and should not be, enforced.
The rebranding of envy as 'social justice' doesn't fool me.
FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR WILL and TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY
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Conservatives claim that in America everybody has equal opportunity and state that Marxist-communist- socialist (god only knows what else) liberals are destroying America in the name of equal out come.
The fact is we are not post-racial. Abolishing Jim Crow laws did not abolish the denial of rights, discrimination, denigration and lack of equal opportunity that hurt minorities, women, legal immigrants, LGBT's and the working poor. Yet every piece of legislation that corrects an inequality, every march to protest injustice, every article that publishes the facts of discrimination is met with the same sneering call of equal justice warrior and a fight to assure that all Americans are treated fairly.

Nobody is asking for equal outcome. That's just propaganda talking. It's a dishonest claim to cover conservative enthusiasm for discrimination and denigration.
 
Irredentist said:
Truly equal outcomes may not be practically achievable. We should at the very least however expect equal opportunity, and we cannot have that when so many are systematically denied such opportunity due to factors outside of their control.
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This post would be even better, if the author took the time to explain what is meant by “equal opportunity” and what “equal opportunity” looks like.


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bricklayer said:
Equal outcomes are not a noble goal because equal inputs cannot be, and should not be, enforced.

The rebranding of envy as 'social justice' doesn't fool me.

FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR WILL and TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY
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No one's rebranded anything, it's the old conservative claim they've been making for many, many, decades.

"Equal outcomes" aren't the Democrats goal, it's the Repubs boogeyman they pull out of their ass when they make their old claim; The poor are given too much free stuff and the huge dissimilar outcomes rests entirely on their lazy shoulders. Approving of and working to maintain our current system are not noble causes...

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bricklayer said:
Equal outcomes are not a noble goal because equal inputs cannot be, and should not be, enforced.

The rebranding of envy as 'social justice' doesn't fool me.

FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR WILL and TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY
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Several weeks ago a black citizen who's crime was a minor infraction was killed by the police kneeling on him until he was asphyxiated. And you think now is a good time to be putting up threads saying social justice is just envy? You are either completely numb to what is unfolding in the US or you are just callous and contemptible
 
Equal outcomes are not a noble goal because equal inputs cannot be enforced.

FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR WILL AND TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY is to be protected and defended.
 
bricklayer said:
Equal outcomes are not a noble goal because equal inputs cannot be enforced.

FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR WILL AND TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY is to be protected and defended.
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That would be a nightmare.


Thank God no country on earth operates that way
 
CaughtInThe said:
hell, i think a ton of people would simply be happy with a level playing field at this point.
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Unless governmentally enforced, this will never be possible due to biological advantages.
 
vegas giants said:
Been a 100 years now
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Some bubbles get big before the burst. I have no clue about the US, but some places in Europe are suffering from relaxed immigration politics and leftist welfare policies, which just drain money from the system.
 
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