Elizabeth Warren releases DNA testing: she has Native American background

[Sabre]

Yes she did claim minority status there. This was not for career advancement. This was for the opportunity to be able to work with, and encourage, minority students.

There were no minimal percentage blood requirements to be listed as a minority on that list- what you guys are demanding here. That’s not even what Trump was talking about.

So I’m still not sure what you guys are all upset about here.

So you are saying the that is a justification for telling a "falsehood" to advance her career?

 

[hanger4]

Yes she did claim minority status there. This was not for career advancement. This was for the opportunity to be able to work with, and encourage, minority students.

There were no minimal percentage blood requirements to be listed as a minority on that list- what you guys are demanding here. That’s not even what Trump was talking about.

So I’m still not sure what you guys are all upset about here.

1) Good, and it matters not why she claimed such.

2) OK cool, so I can wake up tomorrow and say 'I feel (insert minority) today', and later change to another. And it is what Trump's challenge was about, I posted it several times to you, you're either lying outright, lacking basic reading comprehension skills or attempting to obfuscate the issue. I vote the latter.

3) I don't know "what you guys are all upset about" either.

 

[Sabre]

Also, your criticism that a biologist tested her and not a geneticist is like making a criticism that a brain CT was read by a radiologist and not a neuroradiology subspecialist, so therefore it must be invalid . Silly.

I think the only thing silly here is this analogy.

 

[ataraxia]

I would have to see the direct unedited quotations in context to know what President Trump said. But she probably DOES have less Native American ancestry than he does because she has less than most people of European heritage. And he is by far not alone in believing she has used her (non-existent) 'Native American heritage' for personal advantage. I am not surprised that a very liberal Harvard faculty would defend her when the evidence we have suggests otherwise. But even if she didn't receive any favorable treated (which I don't believe for a minute), she has admitted she has listed herself professionally as Native American. And she should now admit that she isn't.

By what specific criterion? Is there a percentage number cut off? If someone hears from their mom that they have Native American heritage, are they supposed to keep quiet about it until they know this exact number cut off? If a political opponent claims they don’t have any such background, should they just accept it until they are sure of this exact number cut off?

 

[FreeWits]

You must not have heard: she didn’t. Even after multiple detailed investigations looked into it.



I guess they don’t mention these things on Fox News.

Lets take this by your argument: The people who hired Warren saw her as a White woman. What does that say about Warren calling herself a person of color?

EDIT: Changed minority to person of color.

 

[ataraxia]

1) Good, and it matters not why she claimed such.

2) OK cool, so I can wake up tomorrow and say 'I feel (insert minority) today', and later change to another. And it is what Trump's challenge was about, I posted it several times to you, you're either lying outright, lacking basic reading comprehension skills or attempting to obfuscate the issue. I vote the latter.

3) I don't know "what you guys are all upset about" either.

1) why not? It seemed to matter to trump very much. At least until now. All of a sudden it’s not so important anymore?

2) if your family is claiming that you have a certain ethnic heritage, I am not sure what’s wrong with embracing and celebrating it if you want. Or are you just not allowed to do so until you hit a very specific percentage number?

 

[ataraxia]

Lets take this by your argument: The people who hired Warren saw her as a White woman. What does that say about Warren calling herself a person of color?

EDIT: Changed minority to person of color.

It says that she did not use the minority status to get a job. Doesn’t mean she didn’t have any such background and she was not allowed to use it ever again, even if to have fun writing a cookbook or encouraging minority students at the University.

 

[ataraxia]

If Trump really wanted, he could also take a DNA test to prove that he has more NA DNA than she does, like he claimed.

Or does what Trump say never require any proof? After all, we all know there were large crowds of Muslims celebrating on New Jersey rooftops on 9/11, right? His inauguration crowd sizes were the biggest in history? Russians didn’t interfere in the 2016 elections, did they?

 

[FreeWits]

It says that she did not use the minority status to get a job. Doesn’t mean she didn’t have any such background and she was not allowed to use it ever again, even if to have fun writing a cookbook or encouraging minority students at the University.

So you do think it's okay for Elizabeth Warren to call herself a person of color?

 

[AlbqOwl]

By what specific criterion? Is there a percentage number cut off? If someone hears from their mom that they have Native American heritage, are they supposed to keep quiet about it until they know this exact number cut off? If a political opponent claims they don’t have any such background, should they just accept it until they are sure of this exact number cut off?

Yes. All responsible geneticists and biologists will tell you that anything further back than four or five generations is inconclusive and does not factor into a person's racial identification. ALL of us have common ancestors if you go back far enough, so who knows what races of people factor into our more complex DNA. There has been lore in my family for generations now that there was a black person that has been expunged from the family record. So we keep waiting for a black baby to show up. So far nada. But there is sure not enough information there to claim an African American heritage much less minority status.

That she believed family lore is one thing. That she used it for political advantage just doesn't wash in the area of ethics.

 

[ataraxia]

So you do think it's okay for Elizabeth Warren to call herself a person of color?

If it’s not done to gain unfair professional advantage, but only to be in a position to help minority students, or write a fun cookbook, then sure. Don’t see a problem.

 

[FreeWits]

If it’s not done to gain unfair professional advantage, but only to be in a position to help minority students, or write a fun cookbook, then sure. Don’t see a problem.

We're all people of color then! I'm sure if you didn't have your blinders on you would see the problem in arguing that there's nothing wrong with Warren lying because the employers saw her as White. I wonder why Warren lied. Maybe she thought it would give her a professional advantage because there are laws to help boost minorities? And that's if you take the stories at face value that she didn't gain any advantage.

 

[ataraxia]

So you are saying the that is a justification for telling a "falsehood" to advance her career?

We just showed it was not a falsehood, and it was not done to advance her career.

 

[ataraxia]

We're all people of color then! I'm sure if you didn't have your blinders on you would see the problem in arguing that there's nothing wrong with Warren lying because the employers saw her as White. I wonder why Warren lied. Maybe she thought it would give her a professional advantage because there are laws to help boost minorities? And that's if you take the stories at face value that she didn't gain any advantage.

Terms like a person of color are a social construct. So we can be all persons of color, or not, depending on how we choose to define it. I know people who would define Turks, Greeks, Spaniards, and Italians as persons of color.

 

[ataraxia]

We're all people of color then! I'm sure if you didn't have your blinders on you would see the problem in arguing that there's nothing wrong with Warren lying because the employers saw her as White. I wonder why Warren lied. Maybe she thought it would give her a professional advantage because there are laws to help boost minorities? And that's if you take the stories at face value that she didn't gain any advantage.

Even if true, as long as you have not been able to come up with a specific percentage beyond which it is safe to call oneself a person of color, I don’t see that any wrongdoing was done here.

Trump now, on the other hand, needs to show that he has more Native American blood than she does, like he claimed. Otherwise, I think we can all safely agrees that Warren has put the nickname “Pocahontas” safely to bed once and for all.

 

[Sabre]

Terms like a person of color are a social construct. So we can be all persons of color, or not, depending on how we choose to define it. I know people who would define Turks, Greeks, Spaniards, and Italians as persons of color.

Yeap, I am a person of color, white with a farmers tan.

 

[Mr Person]

Ah, yes, this other thread.


It is quite bitter irony that the people making the most fuss about whether Warren is Indian enough are Trump supporters and Trump defenders. They're all worked up that she ticked off a box many years ago. Since when are they concerned with lying?

It's transparent political crap, as always.

 

[ultmd]

I "pushed" that quote because it is the challenge Warren took up and attempted to throw, along with mucho MSM, in Trumps face. She failed biggly as did the MSM that jumped on the report. You and others can parse words in her defense forever and it won't change those facts.

:lamo
This is what your alternative reality looks like, I suppose.

Warren took up Trump's idiotic challenge, and won.

Everything else....including all of the Strawmen you and other Trumpians have since promoted....is just more deflection and dissembling from people whose ideology is literally predicated upon deflection and dissembling (along with a health dose of white male victimhood).

End of argument.

 

[ultmd]

:lamo

Look how sad you are....

She claimed minority status. She told stories about her maw and pa having to elope because her pa's kin wouldnt let him marry no Cherokee/Delaware squaw. She copied and posted other peoples recipes as an Indian to the Pow Wow Chow cookbook.

:lamo
Look how ignorant you are...

And you don't even know why, do you?

 

[gfm7175]

I just heard this on TV, but have not yet been able to find it online. Elizabeth Warren has taken a DNA test, and it shows that she has native American background.

President Trump has slammed her claims to such background as self-serving lies to try to advance her career as a minority. His nickname for her has been “Pocahontas”, and he has challenged her to take a DNA test to prove it.

So she did.

Of course, facts and test results have never been anything to impress Trump or his base very much. If they have dismissed the unanimous consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet on global warming, and the unanimous claims of every single one of their own appointed intelligence agencies on Russian interference, what’s a flimsy little DNA test from Elizabeth Warren?

But what’s more interesting about this is what it says about her intentions: it definitely sounds like she is gearing up for a run in 2020. Surely she didn’t do this to just keep running for senator from Massachusetts.

Interesting.

She was found to be anywhere from 1/64th (at the very most) to 1/1024th Native American... She's probably somewhere in-between those numbers (like 1/256th or 1/512th). I wouldn't consider that as being Native American... Hell, I'M probably at least that much Native American...

It seems to me like she's just as full of **** as she's always been...


Even taking 1/64th... That would be approx. 1.5%... Would you consider yourself as being a Native American if you were 1.5% Native American? I wouldn't...

 

[ultmd]

*Nothing about not meeting tribal citizenship eligibility criteria.*

^^ this is strawman, Trumps quote is quite specific, your disingenuous is quite telling.

Dumbest post in a thread chock full of right wing stupidity.

If there is ONE THING that everyone (even the low-info Trumpians) can agree about...it's that there is NOTHING "specific" about "Indian". That is about as NON-SPECIFIC as it gets. Trump said he was going to challenge Warren to take a NON-SPECIFIC test (i.e. DNA testing which is NOT accepted criteria for N.A. tribal idenity)...in order to establish a completely NON-SPECIFIC identity (i.e. "Indian")....an "identity" that, in FACT, Warren has NEVER claimed. She's only claimed to have N.A. heritage, which has now been validated.

So what the Great Orange Orangutan in the White House ACTUALLY managed to do, was provide Warren with a platform to validate her own anecdotal family history.

Trump is an idiot....and idiot with a lot of really idiotic followers.

So I hope you can understand why people keep mocking your arguments in this thread.:lamo

 

[ultmd]

She was found to be anywhere from 1/64th (at the very most) to 1/1024th Native American... She's probably somewhere in-between those numbers (like 1/256th or 1/512th). I wouldn't consider that as being Native American... Hell, I'M probably at least that much Native American...

It seems to me like she's just as full of **** as she's always been...


Even taking 1/64th... That would be approx. 1.5%... Would you consider yourself as being a Native American if you were 1.5% Native American? I wouldn't...

One again, repeat after me:

Warren NEVER claimed to be N.A. She ONLY claimed to have N.A. heritage. And that was confirmed by the test.

Whether your heritage contains as much N.A. ancestry, or not, is COMPLETELY irrelevant.

Everything else in this fake controversy is just a manifestation of partisan conservative stupidity.

 

[hanger4]

:lamo
This is what your alternative reality looks like, I suppose.

Warren took up Trump's idiotic challenge, and won.

Everything else....including all of the Strawmen you and other Trumpians have since promoted....is just more deflection and dissembling from people whose ideology is literally predicated upon deflection and dissembling (along with a health dose of white male victimhood).

End of argument.

1) Facts you can't refute become alternative reality :thumbs:

2) Hardly, less than 1 percent Indian does not an Indian make.

3) Partisan tripe.

4) You haven't made one to end. Tootles :2wave:

 

[gfm7175]

One again, repeat after me:

Warren NEVER claimed to be N.A. She ONLY claimed to have N.A. heritage. And that was confirmed by the test.

Whether your heritage contains as much N.A. ancestry, or not, is COMPLETELY irrelevant.

Everything else in this fake controversy is just a manifestation of partisan conservative stupidity.

She was a "minority hire" as a college professor... Me thinks that's claiming to actually be Native American... She claimed minority status, as did Harvard... She also called herself "Cherokee" in her plagiarism filled cookbook...

 

[RileyCoyote]