Elizabeth Warren releases DNA testing: she has Native American background

[nota bene]

I think the classy response would be for President Trump to donate two million dollars to charity.

From Politifact (From the transcript of Trump's Montana rally):

"I shouldn't tell you because I like to not give away secrets. But let's say I'm debating Pocahontas. I promise you I'll do this: I will take, you know those little kits they sell on television for two dollars? ‘Learn your heritage!’ … And in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she is of Indian heritage because her mother said she has high cheekbones — that is her only evidence, her mother said we have high cheekbones. We will take that little kit -- but we have to do it gently. Because we're in the #MeToo generation, so I have to be very gentle. And we will very gently take that kit, and slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't injure her arm, and we will say: ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.’ And let’s see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no. But we’ll hold that for the debates. Do me a favor and keep it within this room, because I don’t want to keep any secrets."

So Trump did say he would give $1 million to a charity of Warren’s choice, but he said he would do it while engaging with Warren in a political debate, presumably for president. We’ll leave it up to readers to decide whether this was a serious suggestion or a hypothetical scenario to amuse the crowd. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...t-donald-trumps-1-million-offer-elizabeth-wa/

 

[Helix]

NOT an answer. Its a response. I asked you three times now. Is Elizabeth Warren a Native American? Its a yes or no.

she said she has a Native American ancestor. she does. if you need more help with reading comprehension, i'm happy to link you back to the post again.

 

[haymarket]

I think the classy response would be for President Trump to donate two million dollars to charity.

From Politifact (From the transcript of Trump's Montana rally):

"I shouldn't tell you because I like to not give away secrets. But let's say I'm debating Pocahontas. I promise you I'll do this: I will take, you know those little kits they sell on television for two dollars? ‘Learn your heritage!’ … And in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she is of Indian heritage because her mother said she has high cheekbones — that is her only evidence, her mother said we have high cheekbones. We will take that little kit -- but we have to do it gently. Because we're in the #MeToo generation, so I have to be very gentle. And we will very gently take that kit, and slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't injure her arm, and we will say: ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.’ And let’s see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no. But we’ll hold that for the debates. Do me a favor and keep it within this room, because I don’t want to keep any secrets."

So Trump did say he would give $1 million to a charity of Warren’s choice, but he said he would do it while engaging with Warren in a political debate, presumably for president. We’ll leave it up to readers to decide whether this was a serious suggestion or a hypothetical scenario to amuse the crowd. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...t-donald-trumps-1-million-offer-elizabeth-wa/

Warren never claimed to be AN INDIAN like your challenge insists she would need to be in order to win that bogus bet. She only claimed that she was told by older family members that there were Native Americans a few generations back in her ancestry.

And the released information today proves she was accurate and truthful.

 

[Mr Person]

Dont quote me again unless you answer the question. I asked you if she is a Native American. She either is or she isnt...She claimed minority status. So pretty please. yes or no only.

She said she had a native ancestor generations back and thought it was a great-great-great grandmother. You lot claimed that was a lie, that she had no native blood whatsoever. Thus the question was defined: does she have any native blood in her? The DNA test proves she does.

I don't understand how someone could possibly think that pretending there is some different question being tested makes for convincing argument.

 

[Helix]

If you look at the "bet" in context, he was talking about a hypothetical debate between himself and Warren wherein he would challenge her to a DNA test for a million dollars. Are we going to start taking hypotheticals as reality now? Bottom line, not a bet.

That being said, if Warren is planning on running, she should have held onto this information and hit Trump with a big ole GOTCHA in the middle of the debate.

i agree with the latter, although i'm not sure that i necessarily want her to be the candidate at this point. the Democrats must run someone who can win with little trouble. Warren is polarizing. that's a risk.

 

[Taylor]

i answered your question. i'll link you back to it if you continue to be confused.

You just forgot to preface it with "No, but..."

 

[Helix]

You just forgot to preface it with "No, but..."

no, my post is complete the way it is. nice try, though.

 

[nota bene]

Warren never claimed to be AN INDIAN like your challenge insists she would need to be in order to win that bogus bet. She only claimed that she was told by older family members that there were Native Americans a few generations back in her ancestry.

And the released information today proves she was accurate and truthful.

MY challenge? What are you talking about?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Feel free to list the facts I put forth you find faulting and counter them, Its sort of a debate forum you do get that? Or is the xxx-large bolded text and Gifs all you have? So far you’re not showing much, but I’m not expecting much.

I don't need to repeat what others already did when they beat me to it. You can read their posts.

 

[AlphaOmega]

she said she has a Native American ancestor. she does. if you need more help with reading comprehension, i'm happy to link you back to the post again.

She claimed native American status on legal forms. No need to quote me further we both know and the readers know you did not answer the question I asked, you answered your bastardized version of my question. Your dodge was what I was after. That squirmy hide behind a link and pretend you answered when you didnt should demonstrate to you that your argument is flawed. mine isnt...Elizabeth Warren is by her own test NOT a native american. She is a white european woman according to her own test.

 

[haymarket]

MY challenge? What are you talking about?

I was referring to your post where you discussed the Trump challenge to Warren to prove she was "AN INDIAN".

I apologize if it came across like they were your words rather than Trumps words.

 

[AlphaOmega]

She said she had a native ancestor generations back and thought it was a great-great-great grandmother. You lot claimed that was a lie, that she had no native blood whatsoever. Thus the question was defined: does she have any native blood in her? The DNA test proves she does.

I don't understand how someone could possibly think that pretending there is some different question being tested makes for convincing argument.

She claimed native American status. Do you disagree with this fact?

 

[Helix]

She claimed native American status on legal forms. No need to quote me further we both know and the readers know you did not answer the question I asked, you answered your bastardized version of my question. Your dodge was what I was after. That squirmy hide behind a link and pretend you answered when you didnt should demonstrate to you that your argument is flawed. mine isnt...Elizabeth Warren is by her own test NOT a native american. She is a white european woman according to her own test.

she has a Native American ancestor. now those who didn't expect that are dancing around frantically. it's funny to watch. it was also fun to have a few chuckles at the idiot king's expense today.

 

[AlphaOmega]

You just forgot to preface it with "No, but..."

she has a Native American ancestor. now those who didn't expect that are dancing around frantically. it's funny to watch. it was also fun to have a few chuckles at the idiot king's expense today.

Sorry but we are done. You dont get to dishonestly state you answered my question when you factually didnt and think you can still keep talking to me about it. Its a yes or no. Either answer or move along otherwise you go iggy.

 

[Helix]

Sorry but we are done. You dont get to dishonestly state you answered my question when you factually didnt and think you can still keep talking to me about it. Its a yes or no. Either answer or move along otherwise you go iggy.

refer to my earlier posts. also, sounds good. peace.

 

[Mr Person]

She claimed native American status. Do you disagree with this fact?

Enough with the dishonest goal-post shifting. I am sticking with her words. I also do not play the debate board game where another poster tries to pidgeonhole me by demanding I answer their loaded question, saying nothing else.

This isn't a courtroom. You could try it there if you were the attorney and I was the witness. Though if you were trying to pidgeonhole the witness, the jury would likely sense it and it would backfire. It's backfiring right now.


You are trying to ignore all her words and make it just about your claimed definition of what it means to check a box off. You don't get to do either. Her words make clear her basis for checking off the box, and also stand on their own. As for the box, isn't that on the employer to set a specific standard? Isn't it the employer's place and only the employer's place to set the requirements for box-checking?



Bottom line: she said she had some native blood, she said she thought it was her great-great-great grandmother, you lot said the claim to some native blood was a lie, but the DNA confirms that she did have some blood.

Hence your spastic attempts to retroactively edit your prior claims.

Enough.

 

[nota bene]

I was referring to your post where you discussed the Trump challenge to Warren to prove she was "AN INDIAN".

I apologize if it came across like they were your words rather than Trumps words.

It wouldn't have if you hadn't said "your challenge."

 

[joko104]

I think the classy response would be for President Trump to donate two million dollars to charity.

From Politifact (From the transcript of Trump's Montana rally):

"I shouldn't tell you because I like to not give away secrets. But let's say I'm debating Pocahontas. I promise you I'll do this: I will take, you know those little kits they sell on television for two dollars? ‘Learn your heritage!’ … And in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she is of Indian heritage because her mother said she has high cheekbones — that is her only evidence, her mother said we have high cheekbones. We will take that little kit -- but we have to do it gently. Because we're in the #MeToo generation, so I have to be very gentle. And we will very gently take that kit, and slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't injure her arm, and we will say: ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.’ And let’s see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no. But we’ll hold that for the debates. Do me a favor and keep it within this room, because I don’t want to keep any secrets."

So Trump did say he would give $1 million to a charity of Warren’s choice, but he said he would do it while engaging with Warren in a political debate, presumably for president. We’ll leave it up to readers to decide whether this was a serious suggestion or a hypothetical scenario to amuse the crowd. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...t-donald-trumps-1-million-offer-elizabeth-wa/

Elizabeth Warren lost that bet. Trump did not say "if you show you have ANY Native American ancestry." He said if she proved she is "an Indian." Both Federal law and tribal law define what being an Indian (Native American) requires. As a lawyer she knows that. Even by her own original claim, she KNEW at the time she as a lawyer told Harvard she was Native American under federal law she was not - and that by her own claim.

Trying to change what President Trump actually said for the bet does not change what he said. What Elizabeth Warren just proved that as a matter of law she is white, not Native American.

If you actually read the text of the report, you find this was based upon sampling 37 people who claimed to be pure Native American - with Native Americans among the most blended and historically raped people on earth - and from that it only is "likely" that someone 6 to 10 generations back had some NA ancestry, meaning it goes still further back than that. An Indian that does not make. Actually, going that deep would prove anyone is Native American, Asian (where NAs originated), Middle Eastern (where Asians came from), African (where Middle Easterners came from) etc. Anyone who remember the yellow-green bean experiment knows that current dna in a person could trace back 1000 generations once you start going back 20, 30 or more generations, which is what the report actually states. It did not state a grandmother back 6 to 10 generations was pure Native American, but rather "likely" had "some" Native American dna.

She did NOT just say she had some Native American ancestry. As a LAWYER she signed to Harvard that she is Native American - not some NA ancestry. As a lawyer, she knew even by her own 1/32nd claim that was false at the time she wrote it.

In the end, President Trump was correct in that no one will care one way or another. This is just an irrelevant sideshow by BOTH Senator Warren and President Trump. She, did, however, get her name out there again and in politics even bad publicity is better than none at all. In that regards, as Democrats rush to defend and declare loyalty to her, it might have been a good move. Might not be.

FACT: The test proved that Elizabeth Warren is white, not Native American. Warren had not put in writing to Harvard "I have some distance Native American ancestor." She wrote that she is Native American, knowing at the time as a lawyer that claim was false under federal law standards. But no one REALLY cares, not really.

 

[AlphaOmega]

Enough with the dishonest goal-post shifting. I am sticking with her words. I also do not play the debate board game where another poster tries to pidgeonhole me by demanding I answer their loaded question, saying nothing else.

This isn't a courtroom. You could try it there if you were the attorney and I was the witness. Though if you were trying to pidgeonhole the witness, the jury would likely sense it and it would backfire. It's backfiring right now.


You are trying to ignore all her words and make it just about your claimed definition of what it means to check a box off. You don't get to do either. Her words make clear her basis for checking off the box, and also stand on their own. As for the box, isn't that on the employer to set a specific standard? Isn't it the employer's place and only the employer's place to set the requirements for box-checking?



Bottom line: she said she had some native blood, she said she thought it was her great-great-great grandmother, you lot said the claim to some native blood was a lie, but the DNA confirms that she did have some blood.

Hence your spastic attempts to retroactively edit your prior claims.

Enough.

call me dishonest again when I wasnt. Warren factually claimed native American status. Do you deny this fact?

 

[haymarket]

Elizabeth Warren lost that bet. Trump did not say "if you show you have ANY Native American ancestry." He said if she proved she is "an Indian."

Typical blowhard tactic - stacking the deck so greatly that one cannot lose the bet. Warren never claimed to be "an Indian". She simply stated that she was told by older family members that she had American Indian ancestry going back a few generations.

If Trump could read and comprehend he would have known that.

 

[haymarket]

call me dishonest again when I wasnt. Warren factually claimed native American status. Do you deny this fact?

What do you mean by "Warren factually claimed Native American status"?

What she claimed was that older family members told her there was a Native American ancestor a few generation back.

 

[joko104]

She said she had a native ancestor generations back and thought it was a great-great-great grandmother. You lot claimed that was a lie, that she had no native blood whatsoever. Thus the question was defined: does she have any native blood in her? The DNA test proves she does.

I don't understand how someone could possibly think that pretending there is some different question being tested makes for convincing argument.

No, the question was is she an Indian (Native American)? The test just answered that. No, she is white.

 

[joko104]

What do you mean by "Warren factually claimed Native American status"?

What she claimed was that older family members told her there was a Native American ancestor a few generation back.

Reported she claimed to Harvard she IS Native American, not that she has a great, great, great grandmother who had some Native American ancestry. As a lawyer, she KNEW what it takes to legally claim minority status. 1/32rd (her claim also now proven false) did not cut it. As a lawyer, she knew that. She lied.

 

[Sabre]

thanks for sharing your opinion. the DNA test is good enough for me. time for the orange clown to cough up the dough.

Maybe for you but, the Cherokee tribe does not accept DNA tests as proof of ancestry.

 

[Helix]

Maybe for you but, the Cherokee tribe does not accept DNA tests as proof of ancestry.

i'm a biochemist / molecular / microbiologist / bench scientist. i'll trust my own expertise in this area, thanks.