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Dutch trial opens for 4 suspects in downing of flight MH17

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Dutch trial opens for 4 suspects in downing of flight MH17

A Dutch prosecutor has solemnly read out the names of all 298 people killed when a missile shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in 2014 over eastern Ukraine

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The three trial judges and two alternate judges.

3/9/20
SCHIPHOL, Netherlands -- As the trial of three Russians and a Ukrainian charged with multiple counts of murder for their alleged involvement in the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 got underway Monday, a Dutch prosecutor solemnly read out the names of all 298 people killed in the attack. As expected, the suspects didn't appear for trial and weren't in the courtroom as prosecutor Dedy Woei-a-Tsoi read out the victims' names. It took 18 minutes. Some of the relatives of the dead who were in the courtroom bowed their heads and closed their eyes as they listened to the names. “The silence in this room when the names were being read out of all those people who lost their lives makes abundantly clear that everybody is sitting here lost in their thoughts,” Presiding Judge Hendrik Steenhuis said before adjourning the hearing for a lunch break. The trial began with Steenhuis explaining the intricacies of Dutch criminal proceedings to families monitoring the trial in the Netherlands and around the world and outlining efforts to summon the four suspects to attend. None of them did and only one appointed lawyers to represent him in the case. Steenhuis ruled that the trial would continue in their absence.

It’s a day that has been a long time coming for family and friends of those killed on July 17, 2014, when a Buk missile blew MH17 out of the sky above conflict-torn eastern Ukraine. Five black-robed judges — three who will hear the case and two alternates — filed silently into a packed courtroom on the edge of Schiphol, the airport from which the doomed flight took off, heading for Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur. A small number of family members of victims were in court, others watched proceedings via a video link from a conference center in the central Netherlands. Steenhuis said the criminal file in the case contains some 36,000 pages and "an enormous amount of multimedia files." Examining it at trial “will be a very painful and emotional period. There are many victims and of course because of that there are many next of kin,” he said. After a painstaking investigation spanning years, an international team of investigators and prosecutors last year named four suspects: Russians Igor Girkin, Sergey Dubinskiy and Oleg Pulatov as well as Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko. More suspects could face charges as the investigations continue. The case is a regular Dutch criminal trial with an unprecedented number of victims. Legal expert Marieke de Hoon of Amsterdam's Vrije University characterized the case as “both ordinary and extraordinary at the same time.” Under Dutch law, family members are allowed to make victim impact statements and seek compensation. That will likely happen some time later this year.
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Since Russia refuses to extradite the accused, they will be tried in absentia. I expect more members of Russia's 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade to be charged as the trial proceeds.

I also expect compensation lawsuits to be lodged at the Hague if guilty verdicts are rendered.

Related: Names Of All 298 MH17 Victims Read Out As Murder Trial Opens In The Netherlands
 
The prosecutor from the Netherlands said that in the case of MH17 there is evidence of an anonymous M58 witness . A witness saw russian soldiers in the area of the crash. He recognized them by their russian accents (!).
And the witness 007 told me, that he saw a dutch prosecutor, with a dutch accent there. He even took picture of them:

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When an incomprehensible noise arose in the courtroom during the speech of the dutch prosecutor , one of the judges grabbed a hammer, banged it and demanded that all the stoned people get out. The judges came out first, including the one with the hammer, and then the Prosecutor and all the spectators. The meeting was postponed...
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1.Punishment
2. Determination of the guilty
3. The court.
It is in this remarkable sequence that the West conducts the case for #MH17. These are the basics of democratic justice.
 
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Dozens of witnesses in the case of the crash of the Boeing MH-17 will remain anonymous, as " they are at serious risk," said Dutch prosecutor Wardes Ferdinandusse.
What a familiar song... Anonymous witnesses and secret evidence are the basis of western "justice".
In 2014, Western countries identified the "culprit" without any courts, and then imposed sanctions allegedly as punishment. Now, in 2020, a "trial" is being held .
What for? To legitimize the lawlessness that was created earlier?

Pompeo on the MH-17 trial:
"We fully trust the legal system of the Netherlands in establishing the truth...»
Let me remind you that when another court in the same Hague opened an investigation into American crimes in Afghanistan, the same Pompeo called it "an illegal so called court".
 
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A witness has testified that he had joined the separatists (he is Russian) and was on guarding the place from where the BUK was fired off, he has testified in front of the investigating judge.

A lot of witnesses afraid to testify because of that evil murderous regime in Russia.
 
Ringo Stalin said:
The prosecutor from the Netherlands said that in the case of MH17 there is evidence of an anonymous M58 witness . A witness saw russian soldiers in the area of the crash. He recognized them by their russian accents (!).
And the witness 007 told me, that he saw a dutch prosecutor, with a dutch accent there. He even took picture of them:

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When an incomprehensible noise arose in the courtroom during the speech of the dutch prosecutor , one of the judges grabbed a hammer, banged it and demanded that all the stoned people get out. The judges came out first, including the one with the hammer, and then the Prosecutor and all the spectators. The meeting was postponed...
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1.Punishment
2. Determination of the guilty
3. The court.
It is in this remarkable sequence that the West conducts the case for #MH17. These are the basics of democratic justice.
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Bull crap. Go troll in Russia, see how much czar Putin treats you.

This is a serious case and the proof is overwhelming the Russian bastards lead by Putin. It was their missile that killed the people on board of MH17.
 
Peter King said:
Bull crap. Go troll in Russia, see how much czar Putin treats you.

This is a serious case and the proof is overwhelming the Russian bastards lead by Putin. It was their missile that killed the people on board of MH17.
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So, did you ever even think about who would benefit from this? What propaganda has done to you...
 
Ringo Stalin said:
So, did you ever even think about who would benefit from this? What propaganda has done to you...
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You mean the disgusting Russian propaganda lies and their efforts with threats of violence and social media lie campaigns has done to me? Well it gave me the idea that Putin is an even bigger despot than I previously thought.
 
Peter King said:
You mean the disgusting Russian propaganda lies and their efforts with threats of violence and social media lie campaigns has done to me?
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I can bet you've never read or heard what you call " Russian propaganda." Except for crap that comes from your media. "Fake news", it's not the russians who said it. And that 's what you get for generations. Propaganda. Cheap lying propaganda. I can compare, I read and speak russian and english. Do you?
Have you ever thought about why and who conducted the route of this aircraft over the territory where there was a war, where ukrainian planes bombing cities with missiles? Not enough brain cells for this? And why, a minute later, after the news of the downed plane, ALL the so-called representatives of the "free western press" exploded with the headlines: "Putin shot down the plane!"?
Dirty political prostitutes and brainless population..
 
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Peter King said:
You mean the disgusting Russian propaganda lies and their efforts with threats of violence and social media lie campaigns has done to me? Well it gave me the idea that Putin is an even bigger despot than I previously thought.
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I want everyone to remember who the Russian trolls here are.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I want everyone to remember who the Russian trolls here are.
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Yup, those who spread lies and make light of the horrendous crime that Russia and the separatists have committed. Russia is to blame for the downing of MH17, pure and simple.
 
Ringo Stalin said:
I can bet you've never read or heard what you call " Russian propaganda." Except for crap that comes from your media. "Fake news", it's not the russians who said it. And that 's what you get for generations. Propaganda. Cheap lying propaganda. I can compare, I read and speak russian and english. Do you?
Have you ever thought about why and who conducted the route of this aircraft over the territory where there was a war, where ukrainian planes bombing cities with missiles? Not enough brain cells for this? And why, a minute later, after the news of the downed plane, ALL the so-called representatives of the "free western press" exploded with the headlines: "Putin shot down the plane!"?
Dirty political prostitutes and brainless population..
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Nonsense, utter nonsense, sorry to burst your bubble but your propaganda denials are not going to work. Of course Russia/Putin is going to lie his ass off.

And no, I can read Dutch, German and English and I do not need to read Russian to understand it was and is a pack of lies. MH17 was shot down by a BUK missile from the Russian armed forces.
 
Ringo Stalin said:
"Because "Everybody knows that" (C) So long, genius.
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What everybody does know is that Russia does not want the murderers of the Dutch families to be prosecuted and only one explanation can account for this, namely, that it was not rogues who were responsible but those under Russian government orders.
 
Jean-s said:
What everybody does know is that Russia does not want the murderers of the Dutch families to be prosecuted .
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Wrong, the russians know that the perpetrators of this crime will be protected by western scoundrels, and all this monkey court will be directed to this vile goal.
 
Ringo Stalin said:
"Because "Everybody knows that" (C) So long, genius.
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More Moscow denials I see, yes, everybody who is not a Russian fact denier knows that indeed. It is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
Ringo Stalin said:
Wrong, the russians know that the perpetrators of this crime will be protected by western scoundrels, and all this monkey court will be directed to this vile goal.
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Great, someone supporting kangaroo courts in Russia whines about an actual court that lives up to the rule of law :lamo

That Russia is a country where the courts are a joke is not my problem. This court is more reputable than just about any court, sorry, all the Putin courts together. We do not do political trials, that is Russia's thing.

This is a court of law, you might want to try it from time to time because clearly the judicial prowess of Russia is seriously infested with working towards the goal of keeping Putin in power.

The BUK came from Russia, no ifs about it at all.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Since Russia refuses to extradite the accused....
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Which is not surprising....


I also expect compensation lawsuits to be lodged at the Hague if guilty verdicts are rendered.
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That's like suing NK for the death of one of their foreign "prisoners" and expecting to collect. Pointless to sue if you know you'll never see a dme.
 
Peter King said:
Russia is to blame for the downing of MH17, pure and simple.
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"The evidence is classified, the Russian testimony is ignored, the results of experiments are not taken into account, the witnesses are anonymous, but we certainly call the process of the MH17 disaster as open, so that people think that everything is fair!"- explained the dutch prosecutor.
The prosecutor in the MH17 case is extremely dissatisfied with the fact that Russia "hindered the investigation " by refusing to admit to a deliberately delusional version, and forcing dutch investigators to build all the charges on the basis of audio, video and photo materials that have obvious signs of forgery.
 
 
 
Ringo Stalin said:
Perfect... Articles from the internet as evidence.
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And there is the same old Soviet style denial from the evidence provided by the prosecution itself, well you have just been outed as a person who is here to do anything but discuss the facts.
 
Peter King said:
anything but discuss the facts.
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Where is the Facts? If I create a website where I can tell, that you have strange sexual preferences, even with photos (modern computer technology allows this). People will visit this site and talk about your sexual characteristics as a fact. I don't see the difference between this and your kangaroo court investigations
 
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