Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows

[JacksinPA]

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

 

[HumblePi]

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

Even worse news is that now medical staff are becoming infected and many of the nurses are refusing to go to work because it's too much of a risk, particularly if they have a family. I can't blame them.

This is just the beginning. My argument for those who refuse to wear masks or social distance has always been, 'if you are sick and need to be hospitalized, who will take care of you if everyone is sick?'

 

[Chomsky]

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

Actually, I just opened a similar thread on TX. Just two days ago I had posters here making the argument that the young people infected are asymptomatic, don't go to hospitals, and do not die.

Well, that argument is falling apart. Young people don't go to hospitals if they're healthy & asymptomatic. And when they go to hospitals sick, some die. And when the hospitals get over-run, a lot more die.

We are being sold a bill of goods, it seems.

 

[JacksinPA]

Actually, I just opened a similar thread on TX. Just two days ago I had posters here making the argument that the young people infected are asymptomatic, don't go to hospitals, and do not die.

Well, that argument is falling apart. Young people don't go to hospitals if they're healthy & asymptomatic. And when they go to hospitals sick, some die. And when the hospitals get over-run, a lot more die.

We are being sold a bill of goods, it seems.

I've read that the 'asymptomatic' people develop pus in their lungs, which does not seem like a sign of long life.

 

[Chomsky]

Even worse news is that now medical staff are becoming infected and many of the nurses are refusing to go to work because it's too much of a risk, particularly if they have a family. I can't blame them.

This is just the beginning. My argument for those who refuse to wear masks or social distance has always been, 'if you are sick and need to be hospitalized, who will take care of you if everyone is sick?'

We handled the bolded in my metro area when we got hit hard, and there are ways to make it doable. If they're tough, smart, innovative, and motivated.

The first thing the healthcare & the first responders did was to either move their family out of their residence, or go to another single-habitat workers's place. Some initially had to sleep in their cars in the garage. Then our hotels & universities made beds & rooms available, and the city reimbursed them.

The second thing was to get innovative with procuring & producing PPE. We were flying PPE in directly from China behind Trump's back, and squirreling it away before he could get his hands on it. In the early days some nurses & staff were making face-shields out of 2 Litre plastic bottles! Where there's a will, there's a way!

Yeah, it was ugly. But it got done!

 

[Chomsky]

I've read that the 'asymptomatic' people develop pus in their lungs, which does not seem like a sign of long life.

It's a blood disease. Which is why there's such a myriad of symptoms. Being novel, we are still finding-out everything it does.

 

[Torus34]

Actually, I just opened a similar thread on TX. Just two days ago I had posters here making the argument that the young people infected are asymptomatic, don't go to hospitals, and do not die.

Well, that argument is falling apart. Young people don't go to hospitals if they're healthy & asymptomatic. And when they go to hospitals sick, some die. And when the hospitals get over-run, a lot more die.

We are being sold a bill of goods, it seems.

Hi!

I'm sure you'll appreciate the resonance here.

I heard President Franklin D. Roosevelt's fireside chats.* I've read President Donald Trump's comments and tweets, and President Trump is no President Roosevelt.

* I'm 86 years old. I remember them and the end of WW II quite clearly.

Regards, stay safe and well.

 

[HumblePi]

We handled the bolded in my metro area when we got hit hard, and there are ways to make it doable. If they're tough, smart, innovative, and motivated.

The first thing the healthcare & the first responses did was to either move their family out of their residence, or go to another single-habitat workers's place. Some initially had to sleep in their cars in the garage. Then our hotels & universities made beds & rooms available, and the city reimbursed them.

The second thing was to get innovative with procuring & producing PPE. We were flying PPE in directly from China behind Trump's back, and squirreling it away before he could get his hands on it. In the early days some nurses & staff were making face-shields out 2 Litre plastic bottles! Where there's a will, there's a way!

Yeah, it was ugly. But it got done!

Boy... NY was really screwed, weren't they. They were behind the curve because they were the start of the curve and had little to work with. No reliable information about transmission. No test kits. Not enough PPE. No help from Trump until he finally sent the hospital ship 'just in case' they needed additional beds. Push-back or total apathy or concern from some of the Trump states. Mocking and ridiculing of Andrew Cuomo who was doing an amazing job IMO. What a tough few months. I hope we don't get the second wave that is predicted will come in the same way the first wave came.

And here we are with states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma -- why didn't they learn from New York? Didn't they see the refrigerator trailers piled high with corpses? Didn't they read the stories about the doctors and nurses who died? Why didn't they take the knowledge about transmission and ways to prevent it and put it to use? I just don't understand their thinking. They had some good lessons taught them by NY on how to deal with this, but they're not using those lessons.

In the earlier days of March and April, my son made face shields from plastic bottles too, and wouldn't go out without that plus a mask and eye shields.

 

[year2late]

Boy... NY was really screwed, weren't they. They were behind the curve because they were the start of the curve and had little to work with. No reliable information about transmission. No test kits. Not enough PPE. No help from Trump until he finally sent the hospital ship 'just in case' they needed additional beds. Push-back or total apathy or concern from some of the Trump states. Mocking and ridiculing of Andrew Cuomo who was doing an amazing job IMO. What a tough few months. I hope we don't get the second wave that is predicted will come in the same way the first wave came.

And here we are with states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma -- why didn't they learn from New York? Didn't they see the refrigerator trailers piled high with corpses? Didn't they read the stories about the doctors and nurses who died? Why didn't they take the knowledge about transmission and ways to prevent it and put it to use? I just don't understand their thinking. They had some good lessons taught them by NY on how to deal with this, but they're not using those lessons.

In the earlier days of March and April, my son made face shields from plastic bottles too, and wouldn't go out without that plus a mask and eye shields.

New York got to make all the mistakes for the rest of us. They made regrettable errors to be certain. The only positive would be for us to learn from them.

The only good we can do is to learn from our many successes and our many failures.

 

[vesper]

What if you were to learn that 85% of the beds in ICU units being used have nothing to do with COVID? There are reports out there that are stating such. People are still having heart attacks, they are still battling cancer, they are still battling diabetes and an array of diseases. Every elderly person that has to undergo surgery often ends up in an ICU unit for a matter of days.

There are other reports that hospitals are fully equipped with PPE. There is no shortage thanks to the U.S. businesses that have stepped up to the plate to produce it.

Every hospital has in place a plan to deal with COVID. The first thing they would do is put a hold on elective surgeries to free up beds if needed and increase ICU units if needed

But those who are hospitalized with COVID thanks to treatments they now know that work the majority stay in the the hospital 3-5 days.

 

[Tbird19482]

Boy... NY was really screwed, weren't they. They were behind the curve because they were the start of the curve and had little to work with. No reliable information about transmission. No test kits. Not enough PPE. No help from Trump until he finally sent the hospital ship 'just in case' they needed additional beds. Push-back or total apathy or concern from some of the Trump states. Mocking and ridiculing of Andrew Cuomo who was doing an amazing job IMO. What a tough few months. I hope we don't get the second wave that is predicted will come in the same way the first wave came.

And here we are with states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma -- why didn't they learn from New York? Didn't they see the refrigerator trailers piled high with corpses? Didn't they read the stories about the doctors and nurses who died? Why didn't they take the knowledge about transmission and ways to prevent it and put it to use? I just don't understand their thinking. They had some good lessons taught them by NY on how to deal with this, but they're not using those lessons.

In the earlier days of March and April, my son made face shields from plastic bottles too, and wouldn't go out without that plus a mask and eye shields.

and part of the problem was they didn't stop people coming in from the EU like they stopped people coming in on the west coast
maybe if they had NY and some other states in the northeast wouldn't have had so many cases
and like some people on here said if the other states would have watched and seen what NY did they wouldn't be having the problem now
have a nice night

 

[HumblePi]

New York got to make all the mistakes for the rest of us. They made regrettable errors to be certain. The only positive would be for us to learn from them.

The only good we can do is to learn from our many successes and our many failures.

If you can call having no way to test people a 'mistake', if you can call having no PPE a 'mistake', if you can call not having any information about this from the CDC a 'mistake', of you can call being short of hospital ICU beds a 'mistake' and if you can call Trump's abandoning his responsibility and pushing all of this onto the state governors a 'mistake', then yeah there were plenty of mistakes. New York was the first and they had it the worst and they did it together with NJ and Ct. Three states had to form their own coalition because they were left 'out to dry' by the US government.

 

[lurchadams]

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

I've only read the OP at this point - but I'm going to bet that several of our trumpanzee members are going to make comments similar to: This is only happening in "blue" areas and therefore it's all the Democrat's fault". Let's see if I'm correct.

 

[upsideguy]

I've read that the 'asymptomatic' people develop pus in their lungs, which does not seem like a sign of long life.

Far too many people are measuring this by its mortality rate (which is pretty high), thinking the if you do not die from CV then you are fine. That is a recklessly ignorant position to be taking. There is much we do not know about this virus, including its long-term affects on one's respiratory system. The farther away you can stay from it, the better.

and part of the problem was they didn't stop people coming in from the EU like they stopped people coming in on the west coast
maybe if they had NY and some other states in the northeast wouldn't have had so many cases
and like some people on here said if the other states would have watched and seen what NY did they wouldn't be having the problem now
have a nice night

...and, if Trump had followed the guidance of the CDC and actually led, rather than cowering under his desk while undermining what the CDC had to say, we might have seen the same curve as the EU with the 1st wave behind us and the economy rebuilding. But, he did not.... so we are all in deep do do.

 

[Greenbeard]

 

[lurchadams]

What if you were to learn that 85% of the beds in ICU units being used have nothing to do with COVID? There are reports out there that are stating such. People are still having heart attacks, they are still battling cancer, they are still battling diabetes and an array of diseases. Every elderly person that has to undergo surgery often ends up in an ICU unit for a matter of days.

There are other reports that hospitals are fully equipped with PPE. There is no shortage thanks to the U.S. businesses that have stepped up to the plate to produce it.

Every hospital has in place a plan to deal with COVID. The first thing they would do is put a hold on elective surgeries to free up beds if needed and increase ICU units if needed

But those who are hospitalized with COVID thanks to treatments they now know that work the majority stay in the the hospital 3-5 days.

What an obtuse post.

You have been blocked

The headline:

43 Florida ICUs Reach Capacity, Show No Beds Available as Coronavirus Cases Surge

Why don't you regale us with your source of the 85% "having nothing to do with covid"?

Geez.

 

[lurchadams]

and part of the problem was they didn't stop people coming in from the EU like they stopped people coming in on the west coast
maybe if they had NY and some other states in the northeast wouldn't have had so many cases
and like some people on here said if the other states would have watched and seen what NY did they wouldn't be having the problem now
have a nice night

And there it is.. just like I predicted!

 

[year2late]

If you can call having no way to test people a 'mistake', if you can call having no PPE a 'mistake', if you can call not having any information about this from the CDC a 'mistake', of you can call being short of hospital ICU beds a 'mistake' and if you can call Trump's abandoning his responsibility and pushing all of this onto the state governors a 'mistake', then yeah there were plenty of mistakes. New York was the first and they had it the worst and they did it together with NJ and Ct. Three states had to form their own coalition because they were left 'out to dry' by the US government.

I think there is plenty to learn from. On a multitude of levels. With any luck a new administration will be more pragmatic about their decisions. More prepared and able to learn from mistakes in real time.

 

[Chomsky]

Boy... NY was really screwed, weren't they. They were behind the curve because they were the start of the curve and had little to work with. No reliable information about transmission. No test kits. Not enough PPE. No help from Trump until he finally sent the hospital ship 'just in case' they needed additional beds. Push-back or total apathy or concern from some of the Trump states. Mocking and ridiculing of Andrew Cuomo who was doing an amazing job IMO. What a tough few months. I hope we don't get the second wave that is predicted will come in the same way the first wave came.

You wrote quite a paragraph here, my Pi! Well laid out.

And here we are with states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma -- why didn't they learn from New York? Didn't they see the refrigerator trailers piled high with corpses? Didn't they read the stories about the doctors and nurses who died? Why didn't they take the knowledge about transmission and ways to prevent it and put it to use? I just don't understand their thinking. They had some good lessons taught them by NY on how to deal with this, but they're not using those lessons.

Exactly! What did they learn from those of us that suffered? Between me, my wife, and my kids, we had four people that we interacted with physically IRL that we lost! One was a longtime trusted family advisor. And some others got sick & tested positive, including three hospitalized that luckily made it back out.

So just what were they (in these states) thinking? This is fun & games? A show?

And now, my city had to ban them from coming here - unless they immediately self-quarantine. Unbelievable. They had it beat. Now we can't let them in or do personal business with them.

In the earlier days of March and April, my son made face shields from plastic bottles too, and wouldn't go out without that plus a mask and eye shields.

Yeah. Exactly. But these were healthcare workers. Who would think it would ever come to this in America?

We had one nurse friend who had to home-quarantine due to Covid contact at work. She literally spent the entire two weeks making home-made PPE for herself & her nurse friends. She didn't come up positive, and that damn girl went straight back to work! In a Covid infested nursing home! Where other workers were getting sick! Even sent her kid to live with the relatives.

The heroic personal stories we saw and heard of could fill a book! But my God, they are awe inspiring. Beyond inspiring. I've found a newfound awe in the strength of the human spirit, watching our healthcare workers & first responders. Heroes. Each & every one of them.

 

[HumblePi]

and part of the problem was they didn't stop people coming in from the EU like they stopped people coming in on the west coast
maybe if they had NY and some other states in the northeast wouldn't have had so many cases
and like some people on here said if the other states would have watched and seen what NY did they wouldn't be having the problem now
have a nice night

There are five International airports in New York State. A state government does not have the authority to ban all International incoming flights. The State Department is the only government agency that is legally able to ban International flights. Remember, back in the end of February and beginning of March, the WHO didn't even know where it was coming from.

On April 24th Governor Andrew Cuomo pointed to research showing that strains of the novel coronavirus entered his state from Europe, not China, and said that travel bans for people coming from China enacted by Trump were too late to halt its spread.

 

[Barnacle]

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters
(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.
Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.
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That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

I didn't read the Reuter's article, but the headline alone is misleading ... as usual. The number of ICU beds and their relative staff were reduced when the "2,000,000 deaths" pandemic didn't happen. Same thing happened in our local hospital ... the "customers" never showed up - neither the COVID nor the regular ones. Staff were let go, units were closed, hospital income was getting real low. The reported number of available ICU beds shrank - for lack of use.

Elective surgery is back again and so are patients who should have gone to a hospital a lot earlier but were scared of contracting COVID in the hospital (I don't blame them for thinking that).


And with regard to Florida:

"... News 6 reached out to AdventHealth and Orlando Health, the regions largest healthcare providers ... Orlando Health Director of Public Affairs Kena Lewis said the AHCA dashboard is up to date with information provided by the hospitals but the numbers don’t reflect the overall bed capacity because, if needed, they can scale up to meet increased demand.

“In mid-March, as patient volumes declined and fewer beds were needed, Orlando Health began consolidating units to reduce the number of beds – including ICU beds – that were staffed and in operation. The current operational bed count is what we report to AHCA and what appears on their website. That number is not Orlando Health’s total bed capacity. Across all of our operations, we have nearly 3,300 beds. Nearly 200 of those are ICU beds and we have the capacity to surge up to 500 ICU beds if it becomes necessary,” ... If the need for additional beds grows, Orlando Health will re-open units ..."

Central Florida’s largest hospitals out of ICU beds but say they can scale up if COVID-19 demand increases


"The hospitals are not sounding the alarm, the media is."

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Dozens of Florida hospitals out of available ICU beds, state data shows - Reuters

(Reuters) - More than four dozen hospitals in Florida reported that their intensive care units (ICUs) have reached full capacity on Tuesday as COVID-19 cases surge in the state and throughout the country.

Hospital ICUs were full at 54 hospitals across 25 of Florida’s 67 counties, according to data published on Tuesday morning by the state’s Agency for Health Care Administration. More than 300 hospitals were included in the report, but not all had adult ICUs.

That's where you wind up if you have a Republican governor.

There is plenty of proof Governor Ron DeSantis should have closed everything except "essential services" nonprofits and businesses two weeks earlier and kept the entire state that way. What he did on May 4 is ludicrous.

 

[Barnacle]

What an obtuse post.
You have been blocked
The headline:

Why don't you regale us with your source of the 85% "having nothing to do with covid"?

Geez.

Vesper's number to non-covid ICU cases may be closer to reality than you think, because even this guesstimating doom-and-gloom website has to admit that Florida is far from reaching its ICU bed capacity because of COVID.

"Florida has about 6,115 ICU beds. Based on best available data, we estimate that 57% (3,480) are currently occupied by non-COVID patients. Of the 2,635 ICU beds remaining, we estimate 1,021 are needed by COVID cases, or 39% of available beds. This suggests there is likely enough capacity to absorb a wave of new COVID infections."

Covid Act Now

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Boy... NY was really screwed, weren't they. They were behind the curve because they were the start of the curve and had little to work with. No reliable information about transmission. No test kits. Not enough PPE. No help from Trump until he finally sent the hospital ship 'just in case' they needed additional beds. Push-back or total apathy or concern from some of the Trump states. Mocking and ridiculing of Andrew Cuomo who was doing an amazing job IMO. What a tough few months. I hope we don't get the second wave that is predicted will come in the same way the first wave came.

And here we are with states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma -- why didn't they learn from New York? Didn't they see the refrigerator trailers piled high with corpses? Didn't they read the stories about the doctors and nurses who died? Why didn't they take the knowledge about transmission and ways to prevent it and put it to use? I just don't understand their thinking. They had some good lessons taught them by NY on how to deal with this, but they're not using those lessons.

In the earlier days of March and April, my son made face shields from plastic bottles too, and wouldn't go out without that plus a mask and eye shields.

My governor likes Donald Trump. I am sure he chose to ignore everything Andrew Cuomo did right and avoid learning anything from a Democrat.

 

[lurchadams]

Vesper's number to non-covid ICU cases may be closer to reality than you think, because even this guesstimating doom-and-gloom website has to admit that Florida is far from reaching its ICU bed capacity because of COVID.

"Florida has about 6,115 ICU beds. Based on best available data, we estimate that 57% (3,480) are currently occupied by non-COVID patients. Of the 2,635 ICU beds remaining, we estimate 1,021 are needed by COVID cases, or 39% of available beds. This suggests there is likely enough capacity to absorb a wave of new COVID infections."

Covid Act Now

1. 57% is not 85%
2. If there wasn't a spike in covid hospitalizations there wouldn't be a shortage of ICU beds.