Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally. [W:349]

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I really do worry that regular people might be mislabeled as Nazis in this campaign. Most of the people that gathered for this weren't white supremacists, just as most of the people who gathered on the anti-protestors side weren't actually in Antifa.

Everyone who had a tiki torch deserves what's coming to them, though.

Oh, everybody against the Alt Right are anti-fascist (antifa).

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Oh, everybody against the Alt Right are anti-fascist (antifa).

I suppose so, but the capitalization matters. I don't like fascists either, but I have no desire to associate myself with a bunch of black bloc marxists who want to harm others for saying things they don't approve of.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I suppose so, but the capitalization matters. I don't like fascists either, but I have no desire to associate myself with a bunch of black bloc marxists who want to harm others for saying things they don't approve of.

black bloc = what in fact I a bunch of black voters?

marxists = who anyone who disagrees with Trump?

They can say almost anything they want. If they hit, they will get stomped into the mud. The Trumpers were warned during the campaign not to hit, that they were taught better in the first grade. Did the listen? No. Maybe they will now, because it is only get worse for the alt right if they don't American up.

 

[Koke]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

black bloc = what in fact I a bunch of black voters?

marxists = who anyone who disagrees with Trump?

They can say almost anything they want. If they hit, they will get stomped into the mud. The Trumpers were warned during the campaign not to hit, that they were taught better in the first grade. Did the listen? No. Maybe they will now, because it is only get worse for the alt right if they don't American up.

You do realize that AntiFa gets A LOT of foreign donations and is bussed in to specific locations to cause trouble?

It's not even up for debate that they are an anarchist/Marxist "militia" for lack of a better word and yes they are just as bad as militant white supremacists or militant black supremacists or any other militant group that shows up to a protest. Quit being a partisan hack and understand that both sides has extremist groups that are not welcome to forums of debate if they intend to be violent.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

black bloc = what in fact I a bunch of black voters?

marxists = who anyone who disagrees with Trump?

They can say almost anything they want. If they hit, they will get stomped into the mud. The Trumpers were warned during the campaign not to hit, that they were taught better in the first grade. Did the listen? No. Maybe they will now, because it is only get worse for the alt right if they don't American up.

Black bloc is a strategy frequently employed by various anarchist groups. Basically, put on black clothing and bandanas to protect your identity while rioting and assaulting people, then take it off and disperse into a crowd of law-abiding civilians when the police arrive. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc

Marxists are people who want to establish a classless society, in keeping with Karl Marx's economic teachings. You know, like the anarchocommunists in Antifa. What is Marxism? definition and meaning - BusinessDictionary.com

My point is, a lot of protesters on both sides of this conflict were just protesters. We got the guy who was actually responsible for murder, and we have tons of footage of the people who were part of a white supremacist group or marching with the tiki torches. Let's not get people fired unless we're sure they actually did something to deserve it.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I support Nazis right to free speech, but I also support the right to free speech for people who post the pictures of those Nazis and shame them for their advocacy of genocide.

Oh, and unless you want to strap on a pair of boots and hump a 240B, get out of here with your "holier than thou" **** while mitigating the damage done by white supremacists.

White supremacists did no damage. The damage was done by the fascist rioters that have been smashing, burning and ****ting on everything, for the past year.


And dont presume to tell me what I may and may not do. Unlike you, I suspect, I actually have served, so that no one else has to, for Right to associate with whomever they please, to assemble and say things that you find offensive. Rich, indeed, that you recriminate me for my "holier than thou ****" and then proceed to proclaim your Right of speech superior to mine, because you 'strapped on some boots'.

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[Grand Mal]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

If you dont support Nazi's Right to Free Association, Free Speech, Freedom of Assembly and Equal Representation, then you do not support the fundamental Human Rights you pretend to, with your fraudulent moral superiority.

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If I tell some Nazi scum to shut the **** up, I'm not infringing on his right, I'm expressing mine.
Those scum should all shut the **** up.

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

That's not the issue, though, is it? They came with torches, clubs, and guns, and in that case they have the right to be beat down.

Its not the issue, if you have no integrity. They got the proper permits to peaceably exercise their Rights. The rioters were illegally assembled and illegally armed to silence others, deprive them of their Civil Rights and coerce political concession through mass violence and vandalism - terrorism.

Your edgy tough talk is really intimidating and all, but when your ANIFA heros start getting smoked full of holes, dont cry about it, here. And youd better know its going to happen and no one is going to help them.

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[jdog21]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

If I tell some Nazi scum to shut the **** up, I'm not infringing on his right, I'm expressing mine.
Those scum should all shut the **** up.

I agree but it you yell it in their face, thats assault.
If your saying it 10 feet away then its ok

 

[Wilbur Mercer]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

If I tell some Nazi scum to shut the **** up, I'm not infringing on his right, I'm expressing mine.
Those scum should all shut the **** up.

Thats right, when you tell them to 'shut the **** up', you are expressing your Right to speak. When you throw your feces at them, spit on them, throw bottles and rocks at them and attack them with bats to 'shut them the **** up', you are a fascist and a criminal and 100% deserve what happens to you when they retaliate.

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[Grand Mal]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I agree but it you yell it in their face, thats assault.
If your saying it 10 feet away then its ok

Suits me. So long as it works both ways. Provocation being a powerful thing.

 

[CMPancake]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

White supremacists did no damage.

Except for that car that ran over a crowd full of people.

The damage was done by the fascist rioters that have been smashing, burning and ****ting on everything, for the past year.

And not to mention all the terror attacks white nationalists have done over the past year, including the man that drove down into a crowd of people. But I'm so sorry about all the trashcans a bunch of dumb college kids burned.

And dont presume to tell me what I may and may not do. Unlike you, I suspect, I actually have served, so that no one else has to, for Right to associate with whomever they please, to assemble and say things that you find offensive.

No one is saying you're not allowed to hang out with Nazis, or have Nazi feelings. But people do have a right to denounce those Nazis and let everyone know that someone is a Nazi.

Rich, indeed, that you recriminate me for my "holier than thou ****" and then proceed to proclaim your Right of speech superior to mine, because you 'strapped on some boots'.

Just to make it clear, you're claiming it is wrong for me to denounce Nazis. Do you have a problem with me denouncing Nazism and white supremacy?

 

[Grand Mal]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Thats right, when you tell them to 'shut the **** up', you are expressing your Right to speak. When you throw your feces at them, spit on them, throw bottles and rocks at them and attack them with bats to 'shut them the **** up', you are a fascist and a criminal and 100% deserve what happens to you when they retaliate.

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Bastard Nazis deserve whatever happens to them when they march with sticks and pipes and declare their disgusting ideology. Tolerating those scum only encourages them. Everyone in the Western world has family members who fought to defeat that foul poison and we'd all be betraying those heroes if we allowed Nazis to resurge here, in our back yards.

 

[jdog21]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Suits me. So long as it works both ways. Provocation being a powerful thing.

Since it seems like left and right can agree on things like Assualt, aggrivaited assualt, & battery. Peoples rights to free speech and the right to assemble. What happend in Charletsville all comes down to who caused an intentional act that causes another person to fear that she is about to suffer physical harm. Both groups commited these

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

You do know that the Alt Right get lots of outside and overseas donations and organizes transportation and food and other logistics.

They are far worse than their opponents.

America will not tolerate the Alt Right getting violent. And the Alt Right will have to be put down before America even thinks of problems on the far left.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

Its not the issue, if you have no integrity. They got the proper permits to peaceably exercise their Rights. The rioters were illegally assembled and illegally armed to silence others, deprive them of their Civil Rights and coerce political concession through mass violence and vandalism - terrorism.

Your edgy tough talk is really intimidating and all, but when your ANIFA heros start getting smoked full of holes, dont cry about it, here. And youd better know its going to happen and no one is going to help them.

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They were told to stand down, and that's the end of their moral authority.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

My point is that you pointed out no marxists, just gave a definition.

If you associate with Alt Right protests that go South, you inherit the collective association and guilt.

America hates fascists, and that's just the way it it.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

The Alt Right was told to stand down and they did not and they inherited the world wind.

I am not edgy. Every time they get violent, every time they disobey lawful command, they will get beat down.

The LEO will shoot anyone who pulls a gun.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

I guess we should take picture of the people at BLM rallies and Antifa rallies and find their employeers too, right?

You are free to do so if you want. I don't get your point.

Years ago I a counter protestor at a gun control rally, and there was a doctor walking around in a lab coat with the name of a local system of hospitals and a sign that referenced a specific hospital "standing against the NRA" and so I snapped a picture and emailed it to that hospital and they got back to me and said "thanks for sending this, we've identified the employee and he did not have permission to represent the hospital"

 

[jdog21]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

You are free to do so if you want. I don't get your point.

Years ago I a counter protestor at a gun control rally, and there was a doctor walking around in a lab coat with the name of a local system of hospitals and a sign that referenced a specific hospital "standing against the NRA" and so I snapped a picture and emailed it to that hospital and they got back to me and said "thanks for sending this, we've identified the employee and he did not have permission to represent the hospital"

I hate the thought of employers fireing anyone for what they post on social media or what type of rally the choose to attend. It flys in the face of free speech, freedom to assemble and privacy. But current law gives employers the right to fire somoene for almost any reason. That being said, if you are wearing work clothes with work logos or are somehow linking your self in someway back to organanization then it can harm their business so they should be able to fire you. I think thats where i draw a fine line between how someone wants to keep there private life and work life seperate or someone who is promoting the mixture of the two and should be subject to the extent that someone is mixing the two.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

What if it's a counter protestor or just a spectator?

Harming innocent people is bad.

Is that what you're looking for?

I will say that if you're ok with it happening in one case, you have to find it acceptable in every case.

That's crikey.

If a toddler and a full grown man each come up to me and make a threat, should I find it acceptable in each case to cold-**** the mother****er?

Or is it okay to be in favor of cold-cocking a grown man but not a toddler?

Context changes things, imho.

You either believe that the first amendment applies to ALL, or it applies to SOME.

There're at least a million people and places who point out that the 1st amendment applies to interaction between the govt and citizens, NOT interactions between citizens.
Maybe you should read up on the US Constitution before you try to use it to protect Nazis from the deservedly bad opinions Americans have of them.
:shrug:

The trustly slippery slope....once we have decided to punish people for their beliefs the slippery slope has the time of its life.
I say no, I say that all you have no jurisdiction over my brain....what it holds...and I am going to say this at the start aw we are talking about NAZI's and people who believe in so-called "White Supremacy" (The worst of the Worst according to the Victim Culture fanatics)....any claim made by law otherwise is abuse of me at the hands of the state.

Does the slippery slope argument apply to yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater?
Not all speech is the same.
It's quite possible to categorize it based on its content.
Even if it were difficult to do so—which it is not—it's still worth doing.
So you argument that it's just too hard to prevent hateful ****s from threatening folks seems leaky as **** to me.
ymmv

Only in the librral mind are they so confused.

Hawkeye10 is a liberal now, huh? Does he know?

Up till the point they do it they can think what ever they like.
If they do it then we have laws for that.
And they can still think what they want.
What they think is not relevant.
ONLY DO

Advocating violence against Americans, oppression of Americans, and ethnic cleansing of America is acceptable to you.
Got it.

Please respect that fact that Americans find such sentiments absolutely repugnant.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

That's crikey.

If a toddler and a full grown man each come up to me and make a threat, should I find it acceptable in each case to cold-**** the mother****er?

Or is it okay to be in favor of cold-cocking a grown man but not a toddler?

Context changes things, imho.

**** that kid up. He needs to learn to respect his elders, and the best way to teach him that is through violence and intimidation.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Re: Do you know me? I was at a white supremacists' rally.

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Advocating violence against Americans, oppression of Americans, and ethnic cleansing of America is acceptable to you.
Got it.

Please respect that fact that Americans find such sentiments absolutely repugnant.

Freedom aint like a Barney Episode. I am well aware of what Americans like, and I am well aware that we have long been willing to trade our freedom for shoddy promises of security, as we are here.