Do you fear becoming a minority?

[AlbqOwl]

It sound like you grew up in a great neighborhood. But ones like that are pretty rare and most likely located on the coasts, in our large cities. Places that are less tolerant of racism than in our smaller, mostly white cites in the Midwest.

It seems you didn't read the articles I posted links for. The right of center people referred to in the articles, including the ones I quoted, show us they are racist. Kept to themselves, I don't care how racist someone is. It's when they start putting their racism into practice, like white flight for example, we can stop assuming...

"White flight' is not always due to racism. In most cases it is purely economic or to get away from serious lawlessness, gang activity, dangerous environments, declining property values etc. You can always find anecdotal evidence of people of ALL races making racist statements. Pretty much anybody can find any number of examples on the internet. I prefer to be more pragmatic in these things and see the whole story and the larger picture that is more honest than cherry picking examples out of the whole.

Anecdotal evidence us useful to indicate that issues can exist. They usually are not honestly used to demonstrate the larger picture or trend.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

No a representative government like the one our forefathers intended. A government that gave each state an equal vote in the senate to keep the majority from voting away the rights of the minority. A constitution that is supposed to protect the rights of the minority and the individual from mob rule where the majority can vote away the rights of the minority.

You mean like slavery, restricting the right to vote from women, segregation? Great examples of the constitution the rights of minorities. Or perhaps the interning of Japanese Americans during WW2.

The forefathers certainly did not respect the rights of minorities anywhere close to the level of today's US government.

 

[AlbqOwl]

They want access to public space, not your house. Your rhetoric is hateful.

In what way is my point of view hateful in any way? When somebody invades my space for the purpose of removing my property for their own benefit or for doing me or my property harm, I don't believe I am hateful in objecting to that regardless of who the intruder is or what ethnic group or race he/she happens to represent. When I point out hypocrisy of people who can afford to protect themselves and their property from pretty much any sort of intruders but say it is immoral for the rest of us to want the same security, that is not being hateful. That is being honest.

It is hateful to characterize those speaking truth as hateful.

 

[ecofarm]

In what way is my point of view hateful in any way? When somebody invades my space for the purpose of removing my property for their own benefit or for doing me or my property harm, I don't believe I am hateful in objecting to that regardless of who the intruder is or what ethnic group or race he/she happens to represent. When I point out hypocrisy of people who can afford to protect themselves and their property from pretty much any sort of intruders but say it is immoral for the rest of us to want the same security, that is not being hateful. That is being honest.

It is hateful to characterize those speaking truth as hateful.

They're asking for public space and recognition of civil rights. To characterize that as robbing a house is hateful.

 

[SoCal]

...a. If we look at the countries from which most immigrants are coming, the answer seems obvious.

Assuming by, "obvious", you're claiming that immigrants from Central American countries aren't honest or competent due to their countries not being honest, competent and organized? In reality that's the reason why honest and competent emigrants leave countries like that. Just like the emigrants in the past who emigrated from Nazi Germany, East Germany, Russia and other countries that do not share our values.

It's obvious to me that immigrants have made our country stronger and that abandoning this tradition because conservatives prefer white immigrant, does not reflect American values...

 

[SoCal]

No a representative government like the one our forefathers intended. A government that gave each state an equal vote in the senate to keep the majority from voting away the rights of the minority. A constitution that is supposed to protect the rights of the minority and the individual from mob rule where the majority can vote away the rights of the minority.

We have that here. For example when our representative government stepped in and stopped the white majority in southern states from abusing their black minority. Ain't America great?

 

[AlbqOwl]

They're asking for public space and recognition of civil rights. To characterize that as robbing a house is hateful.

I didn't characterize that as robbing a house. Reading comprehension problem maybe? I characterize those who rob houses as people who rob houses.

 

[ecofarm]

I didn't characterize that as robbing a house. Reading comprehension maybe? I characterize people who rob houses as robbers who rob houses.

You need to reread your posts. You definitely do characterize people seeking public space, justice and the recognition of civil rights as home invaders. And it's hateful as ****.

The only question is, "why the hate".

 

[AlbqOwl]

You need to reread your posts. You definitely do characterize people seeking public space, justice and the recognition of civil rights as home invaders. And it's hateful as ****.

The only question is, "why the hate".

I read my posts pretty carefully. Perhaps you can quote my specific post where I characterized people seeking public space, justice, and recognitgion of civil rights as home invaders. And when you can't do that, perhaps you will stop mischaracterizing what I do say and will have a pleasant day.

 

[ecofarm]

I read my posts pretty carefully. Perhaps you can quote my specific post where I characterized people seeking public space, justice, and recognitgion of civil rights as home invaders. And when you can't do that, perhaps you will stop mischaracterizing what I do say and will have a pleasant day.

You need to read them more carefully.

If you seek a better life, justice and civil rights, can I characterize you as a home invader? Like I own those things. Like you don't deserve those things. Why don't you deserve those things?

 

[<alt>doxygen]

The problem therefore is not racism which somehow is always inferred in these discussion. The point is that conservatives acknowledge that their big gates, alarm systems, sometimes armed body guards etc. are prudent to keep out people they do not want or trust to invade them. And a barrier on the southern border would serve the same purpose for the most vulnerable people in this country. Most conservatives are not claiming such a border barrier to be immoral and in fact would be just as prudent for the same reasons they themselves have walls, gates, alarm systems, sometimes armed body guards.

The hypocrisy of those on the left who also have walls, gates, locks on their doors, alarm systems, and sometimes body guards is that they say the most vulnerable among us are racist and 'fear brown people' and are immoral for wanting that barrier on the southern border.

Well, I don't live on the southern border. Do you have a list of mayors or congresspersons who are actually ON the border who are demanding Trump's wall? I'm not talking about some border patrol dude who lives in Montana, but actual border residents.

Trump's wall (The GWOT) is symbol, a slogan, and a campaign gimmick. Even so, if folks on the border think it will help, I'm willing to listen. The fake billionaire from NY can get Mexico to pay for it, then sell the idea to the people that live on the border.

There was a ton of money for border security in that bill Trump signed. He should use it as congress stipulated. I don't like parts of that bill, but that's always the case.

 

[vesper]

Will the friggin race card ever die? Not as long as there is a lefty around to play it.

There's good reason why minorities are leaving the Democratic party. Today they don't see themselves as victims. So all you leftie crackers need a new song and dance.

 

[TheParser]

I believe a nation of many different cultures living in close proximity breeds superior citizens than a nation dominated solely by a single rigid culture. Avoiding interaction with other cultures is the cultural equivalent of inbreeding. The people of those cultures grow less and learn less. They lose the ability to adapt.

I believe that Japan is doing very well, thank you.

Hopefully, the people there will insist that the government retain its strict immigration policies.

Thanks to its "single rigid culture," people can walk down the street at midnight without being molested.

 

[ecofarm]

I believe that Japan is doing very well, thank you.

Hopefully, the people there will insist that the government retain its strict immigration policies.

Thanks to its "single rigid culture," people can walk down the street at midnight without being molested.

That's horrifically ignorant. Japan has ten times the population density of the US. Of course policy is more restrictive. What do you think US policy would look like if our population was three billion?

This is why a basic education, like highschool level, in population demographics is useful. So one doesn't spew idiotic crap.

Anyone wanna guess why that idiotic narrative was created? What the rhetoric is apologizing for?

Spoiler

White nationalism.

 

[SoCal]

"White flight' is not always due to racism. In most cases it is purely economic or to get away from serious lawlessness, gang activity, dangerous environments, declining property values etc. You can always find anecdotal evidence of people of ALL races making racist statements. Pretty much anybody can find any number of examples on the internet. I prefer to be more pragmatic in these things and see the whole story and the larger picture that is more honest than cherry picking examples out of the whole.

Anecdotal evidence us useful to indicate that issues can exist. They usually are not honestly used to demonstrate the larger picture or trend.

Pot meet kettle. Why do you assume that minorities bring serious lawlessness and gang activity, when they move into white neighborhoods? Minorities who have jobs that pay enough that they can afford to move into white neighborhoods have the same values and respect for the law as their fearful racist white neighbors.

You're kidding yourself if you believe that back in the day, when the very first blacks gained their freedom and started earning enough to move into white neighborhoods, white flight wasn't based on racism. This is still the major reason it continues to this day...

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

We have that here. For example when our representative government stepped in and stopped the white majority in southern states from abusing their black minority. Ain't America great?

Nice to hear you agree with me.

 

[marke]

Real Christians don't follow, support or vote for an ungodly, lying, immoral, racist, adulterer...

You think Christians do not vote for sinners? Who should they vote for, or are you slyly suggesting you think Christians should "stay the hell out of corrupt politics?"

 

[SoCal]

You think Christians do not vote for sinners? Who should they vote for, or are you slyly suggesting you think Christians should "stay the hell out of corrupt politics?"

We're all sinners, but only a tiny minority are lying, immoral, racist, adulterers.

Real Christians know there're many other good, god fearing Christians who're not lying, immoral, racist, adulterers they can choose to represent them.

It's sad to say, but their choice is a reflection of who they are...

 

[marke]

We're all sinners, but only a tiny minority are lying, immoral, racist, adulterers.

Real Christians know there're many other good, god fearing Christians who're not lying, immoral, racist, adulterers they can choose to represent them.

It's sad to say, but their choice is a reflection of who they are...

OK. Hillary may not be an adulterer but she has set records at lying and hatred. She may be homosexual, given her love of homosexual perversion, and she definitely does not give a damn what God thinks about butchering babies in the womb.

 

[Virgil Jones]

I believe becoming a minority in all of the countries white people have created is not a good idea at all. I realize that other races matter, and they should be appreciated. I do not agree, considering all of human history, that we should offer ourselves up for sacrifice on the idiotic leftist altar.

The truth is that becoming a minority simply means you have lost.

 

[SoCal]

The truth is that becoming a minority simply means you have lost.

Your post is a great example of the truism; “When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression". What you're saying is that all American citizens who currently belong to a minority group, are losers. Contrary to the fear and racism that promotes this line of thinking, blacks and other minorities who fight and attain equal rights, doesn't turn the majority into losers.

Conservatives seem to have a bizarre idea that there's only so many equal rights to go around, so if someone else gets some, they lose theirs. It's the sad result of looking at every aspect of life as winning and losing...

 

[JustHanging]

By 2050 there will be a lot less people that are afraid of other races.

Yep.

Nearly all those people who live in great fear of brown skinned people today will be long dead by then, or at least that's what exit polls seemed to indicate..

 

[AlbqOwl]

Well, I don't live on the southern border. Do you have a list of mayors or congresspersons who are actually ON the border who are demanding Trump's wall? I'm not talking about some border patrol dude who lives in Montana, but actual border residents.

Trump's wall (The GWOT) is symbol, a slogan, and a campaign gimmick. Even so, if folks on the border think it will help, I'm willing to listen. The fake billionaire from NY can get Mexico to pay for it, then sell the idea to the people that live on the border.

There was a ton of money for border security in that bill Trump signed. He should use it as congress stipulated. I don't like parts of that bill, but that's always the case.

Who does or does not support the wall is irrelevant to whether the President acted lawfully or whether somebody is fearful of a minority which after all is the topic of this thread.

 

[JustHanging]

OK. Hillary may not be an adulterer but she has set records at lying and hatred. She may be homosexual, given her love of homosexual perversion, and she definitely does not give a damn what God thinks about butchering babies in the womb.

marke, God loves killing babies in the womb. Jesus, spend some time and learn your bible.

Hazael said, "Why does my lord weep?" Then he answered, "Because I know the evil that you will do to the sons of Israel: their strongholds you will set on fire, and their young men you will kill with the sword, and their little ones you will dash in pieces, and their women with child you will rip up."

Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.

 

[Virgil Jones]

Your post is a great example of the truism; “When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression". What you're saying is that all American citizens who currently belong to a minority group, are losers. Contrary to the fear and racism that promotes this line of thinking, blacks and other minorities who fight and attain equal rights, doesn't turn the majority into losers.

Conservatives seem to have a bizarre idea that there's only so many equal rights to go around, so if someone else gets some, they lose theirs. It's the sad result of looking at every aspect of life as winning and losing...

If being a minority is so great, why do they constantly complain about it and threaten us?