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Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?

Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?

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    Votes: 6 6.8%

  • Yes, pro gun people should help fix the problem

    Votes: 26 29.5%

  • No, they're not responsible in the slightest

    Votes: 56 63.6%
  • Total voters
    88
  • Poll closed .
swing_voter said:
We have a problem with mass shootings, that much we all can agree on.

We can mitigate the problem though legislation. Treat guns just like you treat cars, you need a license to operate a gun and the gun is registered.

Nobody takes you guns away, you just have to do some paperwork every now and then.

Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?
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Very stupid poll.
No more than you.
 
vegas giants said:
A true comparison would only be to other first world nations. If the best America can do is beat Venezuela and Mexico then we have become a third world country
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If all you're doing is accounting for first world nations, then you're attempting to skew the results from the start.

Because even in homicides alone, we're still sitting passed 10th place on the list, and we don't even break the 5th percentile on homicide.
 
Oborosen said:
If all you're doing is accounting for first world nations, then you're attempting to skew the results from the start.

Because even in homicides alone, we're still sitting passed 10th place on the list, and we don't even break the 5th percentile on homicide.
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What first world country has a higher gun death rate than us?

Gun control reduces all gun deaths
 
swing_voter said:
We have a problem with mass shootings, that much we all can agree on.

We can mitigate the problem though legislation. Treat guns just like you treat cars, you need a license to operate a gun and the gun is registered.

Nobody takes you guns away, you just have to do some paperwork every now and then.

Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?
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First sentence response: In places like Chicago and gun free zones, yes. The rest of the country, no, I don't agree in the slightest

Second sentence response: We already have many rules and regulations on guns and gun registration. More of it simply won't work. Again, I point to places like Chicago and other gun free zone cities where there's gang violence weekly.

Third sentence response: Uh, the Democrat candidates want to "buy back" our guns. They're on record with this. So they're wouldn't be ANY need for paperwork if we can't purchase them.

Final sentence response: No, pro gun people are not even involved with the shootings. Which brings me to the meat of this subject.

You are not going to fix this problem with new piece of legislation that limits or prohibits people from buying firearms. The problem with these mass killings ALL start at home. The number one factor is the family is broken. Typically there's no dad nor a father figure to help guide these kids. Mothers will do their best to raise them on their own without another man's assistance, but the main role for a mom is nurturing and caring. A father's role is discipline and confidence, and the dad compliments the mother in where she's lacking, he reinforces that area, and vice versa. There MUST be 2 parents, one male father and one female mother, to raise a child. However, society has shunned, demonized, and made villains out of ALL men, and many women that are fed this filth buy this rhetoric. Does that mean all men are good? No, but that doesn't mean we lump the good ones in with the bad. Unfortunately, you have these feminazis who run around and play on women's emotions just enough to get them on their side. When that happens, you cut off the other half of what it takes to raise a child properly. Especially if the child is a boy, and, let's face it, the mom isn't going to know how to teach a boy on how to be a man because that person never was a man. Pretty simple. Without that confidence and discipline of a father figure, biological or not, that child's mind will be warped. They may be raised in a certain way where they get picked on, bullied, laughed at for being an outcast.

The guy who shot up the Florida school over a year ago is a good example. Broken home, mental and social problems, and he was bullied. Which brings up another point, do you wonder why these shooters shoot up schools? It's easy to say that they're the easiest targets and they know what school procedures are in the case of a shooting, which both are true, but that's not the reason. The real reason is they're going in to blow whoever had been bullying or demeaning them away. It's typically bullies and teachers. Whoever it is, in these shooters' minds, it's payback time. You could say the same thing about the gang violence in Chicago. Although, there are many casings where attackers may not have access to a gun. Instead, they'll get knives and use those. Mass stabbings is a thing, especially in the UK. Cars have been used. Bombs. Whatever the person can get a hold of to cause death with, they'll use it.

Guns are not even at the very top of what's killing people. They're no where near it. Some of the top causes of death are caused by health problems, car accidents, smoking too much, drinking too much, overdosing on drugs and pot/marijuana. Things that can be avoided if people took better care of themselves. So more gun registration and laws will not solve or even reduce the amount of mass deaths in our country. Overall, this question of saying pro-gun people is overused and EXTREMELY stupid because you should know better. This partisan politics that you presented, plain and simple. And that's why it's better that a more proper and real reason is the cause of these events.
 
Herkamer63 said:
First sentence response: In places like Chicago and gun free zones, yes. The rest of the country, no, I don't agree in the slightest

Second sentence response: We already have many rules and regulations on guns and gun registration. More of it simply won't work. Again, I point to places like Chicago and other gun free zone cities where there's gang violence weekly.

Third sentence response: Uh, the Democrat candidates want to "buy back" our guns. They're on record with this. So they're wouldn't be ANY need for paperwork if we can't purchase them.

Final sentence response: No, pro gun people are not even involved with the shootings. Which brings me to the meat of this subject.

You are not going to fix this problem with new piece of legislation that limits or prohibits people from buying firearms. The problem with these mass killings ALL start at home. The number one factor is the family is broken. Typically there's no dad nor a father figure to help guide these kids. Mothers will do their best to raise them on their own without another man's assistance, but the main role for a mom is nurturing and caring. A father's role is discipline and confidence, and the dad compliments the mother in where she's lacking, he reinforces that area, and vice versa. There MUST be 2 parents, one male father and one female mother, to raise a child. However, society has shunned, demonized, and made villains out of ALL men, and many women that are fed this filth buy this rhetoric. Does that mean all men are good? No, but that doesn't mean we lump the good ones in with the bad. Unfortunately, you have these feminazis who run around and play on women's emotions just enough to get them on their side. When that happens, you cut off the other half of what it takes to raise a child properly. Especially if the child is a boy, and, let's face it, the mom isn't going to know how to teach a boy on how to be a man because that person never was a man. Pretty simple. Without that confidence and discipline of a father figure, biological or not, that child's mind will be warped. They may be raised in a certain way where they get picked on, bullied, laughed at for being an outcast.

The guy who shot up the Florida school over a year ago is a good example. Broken home, mental and social problems, and he was bullied. Which brings up another point, do you wonder why these shooters shoot up schools? It's easy to say that they're the easiest targets and they know what school procedures are in the case of a shooting, which both are true, but that's not the reason. The real reason is they're going in to blow whoever had been bullying or demeaning them away. It's typically bullies and teachers. Whoever it is, in these shooters' minds, it's payback time. You could say the same thing about the gang violence in Chicago. Although, there are many casings where attackers may not have access to a gun. Instead, they'll get knives and use those. Mass stabbings is a thing, especially in the UK. Cars have been used. Bombs. Whatever the person can get a hold of to cause death with, they'll use it.

Guns are not even at the very top of what's killing people. They're no where near it. Some of the top causes of death are caused by health problems, car accidents, smoking too much, drinking too much, overdosing on drugs and pot/marijuana. Things that can be avoided if people took better care of themselves. So more gun registration and laws will not solve or even reduce the amount of mass deaths in our country. Overall, this question of saying pro-gun people is overused and EXTREMELY stupid because you should know better. This partisan politics that you presented, plain and simple. And that's why it's better that a more proper and real reason is the cause of these events.
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Thete is nowhere on earth that has fixed the broken home problem and now has low gun deaths and lax gun laws
 
vegas giants said:
What first world country has a higher gun death rate than us?

Gun control reduces all gun deaths
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A country need not be a first world country, in order to have gun violence.

We have far more automobile deaths than gun deaths each year, so should we do something about all the cars on the roads. How about we copy the automobile laws of other countries?

We've been experiencing lower homicides each year, for over a decade now, and many of these countries have just stacked on more numbers, or added to the death toll in some other fashion, be it stabbings, auto-homicides etc.

Not even Australia's gun buy back did what they hoped, and we have politicians saying that we need to do that here.

My proposition has always been stronger enforcement, and even getting those illegal guns off the streets. Nothing more.
 
Oborosen said:
A country need not be a first world country, in order to have gun violence.

We have far more automobile deaths than gun deaths each year, so should we do something about all the cars on the roads. How about we copy the automobile laws of other countries?

We've been experiencing lower homicides each year, for over a decade now, and many of these countries have just stacked on more numbers, or added to the death toll in some other fashion, be it stabbings, auto-homicides etc.

Not even Australia's gun buy back did what they hoped, and we have politicians saying that we need to do that here.

My proposition has always been stronger enforcement, and even getting those illegal guns off the streets. Nothing more.
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We do not have 25 times more auto deaths than other first world nations. We are not a country run by drug cartels like Mexico or corrupt failed state like Venezuela.


We are America.


We should compare ourselves to the best of the best.
 
Some questions we need to ask:

What percentage of gun violence correlates to drug related and gang related crimes?
What percentage of gun violence are suicides that would occur with or without gun control?

What gun control can we possibly pass that will address the above two issues that make up over 80% of gun violence?

What gun control can we possibly pass that will address mass shooters?

The last two are the real issue. That is what needs to be addressed.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Some questions we need to ask:

What percentage of gun violence correlates to drug related and gang related crimes?
What percentage of gun violence are suicides that would occur with or without gun control?

What gun control can we possibly pass that will address the above two issues that make up over 80% of gun violence?

What gun control can we possibly pass that will address mass shooters?

The last two are the real issue. That is what needs to be addressed.
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Lots and lots of gun control can reduce those deaths
 
vegas giants said:
We do not have 25 times more auto deaths than other first world nations. We are not a country run by drug cartels like Mexico or corrupt failed state like Venezuela.


We are America.


We should compare ourselves to the best of the best.
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Which is a completely unnecessary quantifier to suggest.
 
vegas giants said:
I dont think you have a plan that will work either
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I have a plan. You completely ignored it, because then you wouldn't be able to keep saying that gun rights advocates have no plan.
 
swing_voter said:
We have a problem with mass shootings, that much we all can agree on.

We can mitigate the problem though legislation. Treat guns just like you treat cars, you need a license to operate a gun and the gun is registered.

Nobody takes you guns away, you just have to do some paperwork every now and then.

Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?
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Proof shows that the gun control legislation that Democrats want, won't fix the problem. None of the measures being considered would have prevented the huge majority of the mass shootings we have had.
 
Moderate Right said:
Proof shows that the gun control legislation that Democrats want, won't fix the problem. None of the measures being considered would have prevented the huge majority of the mass shootings we have had.
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That is factually incorrect. Lots of laws could have
 
Tlrmln said:
I have a plan. You completely ignored it, because then you wouldn't be able to keep saying that gun rights advocates have no plan.
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Let's hear it
 
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