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Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?

Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?

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    Votes: 6 6.8%

  • Yes, pro gun people should help fix the problem

    Votes: 26 29.5%

  • No, they're not responsible in the slightest

    Votes: 56 63.6%
  • Total voters
    88
  • Poll closed .
apdst said:
The Left's gun control laws are a failure. But, you don't care. Do you?
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well you have to see it from the leftwing activist's perspective. Since crime control is only a facade they raise to pretend why they support laws that harass gun ownership, they don't care if their laws don't stop crime. If the laws harass lawful gun owners, the laws are a success. Arguing with hard core leftwing anti gun activists about crime control is a waste of time, since they don't care anyway
 
vegas giants said:
Thanks for agreeing that gun registration and licensing could have stopped that mass shooting. Good night
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and you choose c again continuing our entertainment!
Let us know when you can explain how registration/licensing would factually stop Vegas, we'll be waiting!
 
Dans La Lune said:
The OP question assumes that Ted Nugent-types care about making the world better, and would participate in making the world better if it meant sacrificing one bullet.

Spoiler alert: They don't, and they wouldn't.
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True. Many pro gunners want the shootings to continue.


It's all politics
 
AGENT J said:
and you choose c again continuing our entertainment!
Let us know when you can explain how registration/licensing would factually stop Vegas, we'll be waiting!
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Well it could according to you. Night.
 
Bullseye said:
LOL, there goes that "do something" mantra again. We have been; we argue for stronger control of gang and criminal activity - the MAJOR source of gun murders. 2/3s of gun deaths are suicides - what exactly would gun owners do that others don't?
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Is it this one? You dont want gun control to reduce gun suicides?
 
AGENT J said:
and you choose c again continuing our entertainment!
Let us know when you can explain how registration/licensing would factually stop Vegas, we'll be waiting!
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The vegas shooter

1) was a former IRS agent

2) who had a net worth over over 10 million dollars

3) had a valid pilot's license and owned TWO Airplanes

4) bought at least a dozen firearms over several years-and in each case-passing a background check. He made no effort to obtain firearms surreptitiously

5) traveled around the country planning his massacre-including surveilling another mass gathering in another state

anyone who claims a "license" or a "form" would have stopped this guy is clearly lying. There is no possible way, in an even semi-free society -to stop someone with those assets, and premeditation.
 
Let's be clear. The Vegas shooter did not have automatic weapons for a reason. He could well afford them. He did not want the hassle
 
Fledermaus said:
What piece of paper would fix the Vegas shooting? Sandy Hook? Virginia Tech?
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It took many years and many complicated social, legal, financial changes to create the situation of aggressive gun owners, laws that make access to high capacity military style firearms easy to obtain and mass killings. No one single piece of paper, law, edict, rule, cultural change, or court decision would have prevented Sandy Hook or Las Vegas.

However, it's a specious argument to claim since one law will not quickly change everything nothing can be done. No problem is insoluble. But solving a problem requires information. Almost no organized and researched information exists on mass shooters. Almost nothing is known about what is driving the aggressive pro-gun movement. Change can start with two intensive and well funded studies on those two topics.
 
weaver2 said:
Almost no organized and researched information exists on mass shooters.
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A trivial amount of people are killed each year by mass shooters, so why would there be? The only reason people like you care about it is to use it as a pretext for more gun control laws, since those incidents tend to make national headlines. You have a better chance of being struck by lightening than to be killed in a mass shooting.
 
weaver2 said:
It took many years and many complicated social, legal, financial changes to create the situation of aggressive gun owners, laws that make access to high capacity military style firearms easy to obtain and mass killings. No one single piece of paper, law, edict, rule, cultural change, or court decision would have prevented Sandy Hook or Las Vegas.

However, it's a specious argument to claim since one law will not quickly change everything nothing can be done. No problem is insoluble. But solving a problem requires information. Almost no organized and researched information exists on mass shooters. Almost nothing is known about what is driving the aggressive pro-gun movement. Change can start with two intensive and well funded studies on those two topics.
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what firearms do you think the second amendment covers?
 
swing_voter said:
We have a problem with mass shootings, that much we all can agree on.

We can mitigate the problem though legislation. Treat guns just like you treat cars, you need a license to operate a gun and the gun is registered.

Nobody takes you guns away, you just have to do some paperwork every now and then.

Do pro gun people have some responsibility to fix the mass shooting problem?
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No; they don't think so. They're unpatriotic and self centered.
 
weaver2 said:
It took many years and many complicated social, legal, financial changes to create the situation of aggressive gun owners, laws that make access to high capacity military style firearms easy to obtain and mass killings. No one single piece of paper, law, edict, rule, cultural change, or court decision would have prevented Sandy Hook or Las Vegas.

However, it's a specious argument to claim since one law will not quickly change everything nothing can be done. No problem is insoluble. But solving a problem requires information. Almost no organized and researched information exists on mass shooters. Almost nothing is known about what is driving the aggressive pro-gun movement. Change can start with two intensive and well funded studies on those two topics.
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So, how do you define "solving the problem"? Nobody ever gets murdered with a gun ever again? Gun murders below some arbitrary value?
 
jet57 said:
No; they don't think so. They're unpatriotic and self centered.
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nothing is more self centered than the chicken littles who hysterically cluck that OTHERS have to give up some rights to solve a problem that the clucking fowls really don't care about in the first place. Modern leftist thought is characterized by demanding others sacrifice for things that the lefties claim is a public good. And someone who wants to piss all over the second amendment is an enemy of our constitution-the exact opposite of a patriot.
 
“I think what people are missing is a core moral center. Churches used to do that. It was a central place you could come to and there was a core center of values about a way of living and being in the world. Until we can return to that, however that is, in whatever form, we will continue to be lost.”

The mass shooting problem is not a gun problem. This country has had guns its entire existence. We used to go to schoolwith guns in our gun racks and go shooting...sometimes at gun clubs AT the school. The Armalite Rifle has been freely and readily owned and accessible since the 1960s. People kept guns in the open in gun racks in their homes.

Its not guns.

The problem is society has devolved. You want to solve the problem...fix your soul.
 
VanceMack said:
“I think what people are missing is a core moral center. Churches used to do that. It was a central place you could come to and there was a core center of values about a way of living and being in the world. Until we can return to that, however that is, in whatever form, we will continue to be lost.”

The mass shooting problem is not a gun problem. This country has had guns its entire existence. We used to go to schoolwith guns in our gun racks and go shooting...sometimes at gun clubs AT the school. The Armalite Rifle has been freely and readily owned and accessible since the 1960s. People kept guns in the open in gun racks in their homes.

Its not guns.

The problem is society has devolved. You want to solve the problem...fix your soul.
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You are right. The problem is not guns, but church attendance may not be the solution since most gun owners consider themselves very good Christians. There is a lot we don't understand which is why I suggested learning more about the people and the situations involved.
 
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