Do Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same god.

[Yasureoktoo]

That's funny. If you read the Book of Acts it was the originals - the Jews - who were killing the Christians. So your claim has warts.

I'm not familiar, can you post some verses.
I didn't think there were Christians yet.

 

[bomberfox]

Two fanfic spinoffs? The old testament is inseparable from the new so at least one attempts to write in their own sequel and the other is a fanfic spinoff.

 

[Yasureoktoo]

Two fanfic spinoffs? The old testament is inseparable from the new so at least one attempts to write in their own sequel and the other is a fanfic spinoff.

They are two completely different books from two completely different religions.

 

[ecofarm]

The confederates were allowed to write their own. The “lost cause” permeated the south for decades.

It still does. We see plenty of it here.

 

[Logicman]

I'm not familiar, can you post some verses.
I didn't think there were Christians yet.

From Acts chapter 7:

54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep (died)."

That's just one example.

 

[Magdalene]

The simple answer is "no". The teachings, nor religious books, are not the same.

 

[Casper]

This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham

The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.

The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.

The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.


Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.

Or they are different Gods.

Wow, you really have zero understanding of any of the religions mentioned, your first sentence was your only accurate statement, the rest was atheist nonsense.

 

[Yasureoktoo]

Wow, you really have zero understanding of any of the religions mentioned, your first sentence was your only accurate statement, the rest was atheist nonsense.

Yes, your comment was total nonsense.

 

[Yasureoktoo]

From Acts chapter 7:

54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep (died)."

That's just one example.

So you have one example of a Christian being persecuted, killed, for whatever reason, hardly sets the stage of an entire race being killed.

 

[Rumpel]

Wow, you really have zero understanding of any of the religions mentioned, your first sentence was your only accurate statement, the rest was atheist nonsense.

What Yasureoktoo posted was very original and showed deep insight! eace
That your mind is too small and narrow to follow him, that is not Yasureoktoo's fault

 

[Logicman]

So you have one example of a Christian being persecuted, killed, for whatever reason, hardly sets the stage of an entire race being killed.

No, that's your spin because you haven't done your homework. And I never claimed persecution against early Christians was an attempt to kill off "an entire race". That's another one of your reaches.

From Wikipedia - Examples of persecution against Christians in the Book of Acts

4:3-22, 5:17-42: Peter and John arrested by Sadducees, questioned by the Sanhedrin, and flogged (5:40 only)
6:8-8:1: Stephen is arrested by "the people…the elders and the scribes" (6:12 NRSV), questioned before the Sanhedrin, and stoned to death, supposedly sparking a "severe persecution against the church in Jerusalem" (8:1).
8:3, 9:2: Saul (whose Roman name was Paul) imprisons many Christians
9:23-24, 20:19, 23:12-14: Jews plot to kill Paul
12:1-5: King Herod (believed to be Agrippa I) executes James and imprisons Peter
13:44-51: Paul and Barnabas being driven out of Antioch of Pisidia.
14:5-6: Jews and Gentiles attempt unsuccessfully to stone Paul and Barnabas
14:19-20: Jews stone Paul nearly to death
16:16-24: Paul and Silas are flogged and imprisoned by Gentiles in Philippi.
17:1-15: Paul and others are chased out of successive towns by Jews
18:12-17: Paul is made to appear before the Roman proconsul Gallop in Achaia, who dismisses the case as an internal dispute.
19:23-41: Worshippers of Artemis in Ephesus riot against Paul and his companions, but they are not harmed.
19:27-28:30: In his final journey to Rome, Paul is taken by Jews in Jerusalem to be killed, but is rescued by Roman soldiers who imprison him. He testifies before the Sanhedrin (22:30-23:11), and the governor Felix at Caesarea (24:1-27) before using his status as a Roman citizen (22:29) to have his case heard by the emperor. Persecution of Christians in the New Testament - Wikipedia

You getting it now, Yasureoktoo?

 

[Rumpel]

The God of Abraham

The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.

The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it ....

You are on the right track there!

Yes, Trinitiy was invented - three Gods in one.

And then thousands and thousands of Saints were added!
Which is a good thing, I think.
Makes religion a bit more colourful, doesn't it?

Let the Puritans cry "Paganism!" - they just don't understand. :lol:
Those Puritans see pagans and devils behind every corner.
That's one of their favourite games.
They enjoy hunting for signs of the devil all day.

 

[Yasureoktoo]

You getting it now, Yasureoktoo?

Yes I do, thank you.

 

[Daisy]

You are on the right track there!

Yes, Trinitiy was invented - three Gods in one.

And then thousands and thousands of Saints were added!
Which is a good thing, I think.
Makes religion a bit more colourful, doesn't it?

Let the Puritans cry "Paganism!" - they just don't understand. :lol:
Those Puritans see pagans and devils behind every corner.
That's one of their favourite games.
They enjoy hunting for signs of the devil all day.

So, you acknowledge the lies you and they're ok with you...got it...

 

[Yasureoktoo]

What Yasureoktoo posted was very original and showed deep insight! eace
That your mind is too small and narrow to follow him, that is not Yasureoktoo's fault

Thank you.

 

[RAMOSS]

No, that's your spin because you haven't done your homework. And I never claimed persecution against early Christians was an attempt to kill off "an entire race". That's another one of your reaches.

From Wikipedia - Examples of persecution against Christians in the Book of Acts

4:3-22, 5:17-42: Peter and John arrested by Sadducees, questioned by the Sanhedrin, and flogged (5:40 only)
6:8-8:1: Stephen is arrested by "the people…the elders and the scribes" (6:12 NRSV), questioned before the Sanhedrin, and stoned to death, supposedly sparking a "severe persecution against the church in Jerusalem" (8:1).
8:3, 9:2: Saul (whose Roman name was Paul) imprisons many Christians
9:23-24, 20:19, 23:12-14: Jews plot to kill Paul
12:1-5: King Herod (believed to be Agrippa I) executes James and imprisons Peter
13:44-51: Paul and Barnabas being driven out of Antioch of Pisidia.
14:5-6: Jews and Gentiles attempt unsuccessfully to stone Paul and Barnabas
14:19-20: Jews stone Paul nearly to death
16:16-24: Paul and Silas are flogged and imprisoned by Gentiles in Philippi.
17:1-15: Paul and others are chased out of successive towns by Jews
18:12-17: Paul is made to appear before the Roman proconsul Gallop in Achaia, who dismisses the case as an internal dispute.
19:23-41: Worshippers of Artemis in Ephesus riot against Paul and his companions, but they are not harmed.
19:27-28:30: In his final journey to Rome, Paul is taken by Jews in Jerusalem to be killed, but is rescued by Roman soldiers who imprison him. He testifies before the Sanhedrin (22:30-23:11), and the governor Felix at Caesarea (24:1-27) before using his status as a Roman citizen (22:29) to have his case heard by the emperor. Persecution of Christians in the New Testament - Wikipedia

You getting it now, Yasureoktoo?

And the fun thing about that is those accusations can not be confirmed by sources outside the bible. Isn't that special?

 

[Rumpel]

Thank you.

You are welcome! eace

 

[Logicman]

The first three, but they were a small group, starting to influence Rome, but Constantine took over, and Catholicism invaded Europe for a thousand years.

and at this point Christ was not the son of God, just a teacher.

It was the Council of Nicaea that gave him his divinity by vote.

That's nonsense. The deity of Jesus is seen in the 1st century New Testament. There's over two dozen examples in the following link: The Deity of Jesus Christ in Scripture << The Righter Report

In addition, there's Trinitarian quotations long before Nicea, again supporting the deity of Jesus Christ.

Early Trinitarian Quotes | CARM.org

 

[Logicman]

And the fun thing about that is those accusations can not be confirmed by sources outside the bible. Isn't that special?

Why are you always on the wrong side of Christian history, Ramoss?

The murder of John the Baptist was verified by the Jewish/Roman historian Josephus:

"Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod's army came from God, and was a very just punishment for what he did against John called the baptist [the dipper]. For Herod had him killed, although he was a good man and had urged the Jews to exert themselves to virtue, both as to justice toward one another and reverence towards God, and having done so join together in washing. For immersion in water, it was clear to him, could not be used for the forgiveness of sins, but as a sanctification of the body, and only if the soul was already thoroughly purified by right actions. And when others massed about him, for they were very greatly moved by his words, Herod, who feared that such strong influence over the people might carry to a revolt -- for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise -- believed it much better to move now than later have it raise a rebellion and engage him in actions he would regret. And so John, out of Herod's suspiciousness, was sent in chains to Machaerus, the fort previously mentioned, and there put to death; but it was the opinion of the Jews that out of retribution for John God willed the destruction of the army so as to afflict Herod." - Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: 18.5.2 116-119

Josephus also mentions James, the brother of Jesus, being killed, in Antiquities, Book 20, chapter 9, paragraph 1:

"Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done."

And there's more:

"Clement of Rome (80-140 AD) confirmed Peter “endured not one but many labors, and thus having borne his testimony went to his appointed place of glory” (1 Clement 5:4). Clement also confirmed Paul “had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned” (1 Clement 5:5) and “when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance” (1 Clement 5:6). Clement also described “sudden and repeated calamities and reverses which are befalling us” (1 Clement 1:1).

Ignatius (105-115 AD) described Paul as a martyr (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians, Chapter 12). He also described himself as a “a condemned man” and anticipated his martyrdom in Rome, where he would “become food for the wild beasts, through whose instrumentality it will be granted me to attain to God” (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans, Chapter 4). Ignatius also referred to the persecution of the Church in Antioch (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians, Chapter 10).

Polycarp (110-140 AD) described the martyrdom of Paul “and the rest of the Apostles” in addition to the martyrdom of “Ignatius and Zosimus and Rufus” along with “others also who came from among yourselves” (Letter of Polycarp to the Philippians 9:1)"

Were the Early Christians Really Persecuted? | Cold Case Christianity

Once again, your bogus claims and heretical rantings are clearly on display.

 

[Yasureoktoo]

That's nonsense. The deity of Jesus is seen in the 1st century New Testament. There's over two dozen examples in the following link: The Deity of Jesus Christ in Scripture << The Righter Report

In addition, there's Trinitarian quotations long before Nicea, again supporting the deity of Jesus Christ.

Early Trinitarian Quotes | CARM.org

We can do these all day long

Was the Divinity of Jesus a Late Invention of the Council of Nicea? Probing Into What the Earliest Christians Really Believed – Canon Fodder

 

[RAMOSS]

Why are you always on the wrong side of Christian history, Ramoss?

The murder of John the Baptist was verified by the Jewish/Roman historian Josephus:

"Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod's army came from God, and was a very just punishment for what he did against John called the baptist [the dipper]. For Herod had him killed, although he was a good man and had urged the Jews to exert themselves to virtue, both as to justice toward one another and reverence towards God, and having done so join together in washing. For immersion in water, it was clear to him, could not be used for the forgiveness of sins, but as a sanctification of the body, and only if the soul was already thoroughly purified by right actions. And when others massed about him, for they were very greatly moved by his words, Herod, who feared that such strong influence over the people might carry to a revolt -- for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise -- believed it much better to move now than later have it raise a rebellion and engage him in actions he would regret. And so John, out of Herod's suspiciousness, was sent in chains to Machaerus, the fort previously mentioned, and there put to death; but it was the opinion of the Jews that out of retribution for John God willed the destruction of the army so as to afflict Herod." - Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: 18.5.2 116-119

Josephus also mentions James, the brother of Jesus, being killed, in Antiquities, Book 20, chapter 9, paragraph 1:

"Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done."

And there's more:

"Clement of Rome (80-140 AD) confirmed Peter “endured not one but many labors, and thus having borne his testimony went to his appointed place of glory” (1 Clement 5:4). Clement also confirmed Paul “had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned” (1 Clement 5:5) and “when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance” (1 Clement 5:6). Clement also described “sudden and repeated calamities and reverses which are befalling us” (1 Clement 1:1).

Ignatius (105-115 AD) described Paul as a martyr (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians, Chapter 12). He also described himself as a “a condemned man” and anticipated his martyrdom in Rome, where he would “become food for the wild beasts, through whose instrumentality it will be granted me to attain to God” (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans, Chapter 4). Ignatius also referred to the persecution of the Church in Antioch (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians, Chapter 10).

Polycarp (110-140 AD) described the martyrdom of Paul “and the rest of the Apostles” in addition to the martyrdom of “Ignatius and Zosimus and Rufus” along with “others also who came from among yourselves” (Letter of Polycarp to the Philippians 9:1)"

Were the Early Christians Really Persecuted? | Cold Case Christianity

Once again, your bogus claims and heretical rantings are clearly on display.

Yet, that has nothing to do with John the Baptist being 'christian'. Do try to actually give accurate information someday. And, you really should vet your sources , 'cold case christianity' indeed.

 

[WCH]

If I believe in Lord Krishna and lead a righteous existence will I and millions of Hindus be ok?

Can't say for sure but, go with it. Has to be better than agnostic.

 

[Casper]

Yes, your comment was total nonsense.

Whatever, as if you know what you are even talking about. Total fail as a thread...

 

[WCH]

Do you speak in your own words - or are reading from a script?

Do you really talk like this: "... his only begotten Son ...."?

Why don't you know? Maybe more research into the various religions will answer your questions.

That particular part is scripture.

 

[Casper]

What Yasureoktoo posted was very original and showed deep insight! eace
That your mind is too small and narrow to follow him, that is not Yasureoktoo's fault

Oh, another non-expert on the topic, go figure...