Do any "pro-lifers" care about the mothers and babies?

[Mashmont]

So they are still Catholic? Even though they have gotten an abortion? And what happened to CINO?

I answered already. If you believe abortion is acceptable you aren’t Catholic. No practicing Catholic “slips up” and gets an abortion. You have to descend through several layers of progressive evil to get there.

 

[Mashmont]

What's barbaric is your overwhelming desire to punish women, conveniently ignoring the fact that by getting an abortion they are trying to create healthy families, where children are added at times and in numbers that allow the family to welcome and care lovingly for children so they can grow to adulthood as a whole, responsible and contributing members of society.

This is so perverse. The Marxists have really done a sell job If you actually believe killing children makes for “healthy families”. This isnt like pruning a plant

 

[Closer]

What's barbaric is your overwhelming desire to punish women, conveniently ignoring the fact that by getting an abortion they are trying to create healthy families, where children are added at times and in numbers that allow the family to welcome and care lovingly for children so they can grow to adulthood as a whole, responsible and contributing members of society.

You don't even realize you're a sociopath, do you?

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Why not just kill them both, just to be safe?

In other news, we all know a 100% effective way to avoid unwanted pregnancies, and have for a good while now, so relying on murders of convenience as a major option is truly barbaric.

Abortion is only murder in the minds of people who don't know what the word means and rarely barbaric. Convenience is totally subjective for every pregnant woman and in most cases her reason to have an abortion is legitimate.

Very often contraception fails or the sex partners forgot to use it. Abstinence-only sex education never works because the curriculum excludes teaching kids why contraception does not always work. One of them is the device broke. Another is both partners thought only one person needs to use contraception. Then there are the people who buy the wrong size condom or ring for their bodies and others simply don't know how to use them. If health teachers were required to teach kids the reasons contraception fails, far fewer of their students would have unwanted pregnancies after getting married. Another flaw in sex education is they don't teach students anything about how to avoid being raped. There is no reason any mom should be punished for what the dad did.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Even 1.1B wouldn’t be a majority.

Please address what I said.

Christianity has more adherents than any other religion (2.2 billbion). Some Christians crow about that. If you subtract those whom *you* say aren't "real" Christians, then it would be closer to the bottom in number of adherents.

BTW, the only religion that is larger than the Catholic denomination is Islam at 1.6 billion.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Why not just kill them both, just to be safe?

In other news, we all know a 100% effective way to avoid unwanted pregnancies, and have for a good while now, so relying on murders of convenience as a major option is truly barbaric.

Abortion is not murder. Mighty CONVENIENT that your body will never suffer the ravages of pregnancy and childbirth, isn't it?

There is no real good reason to demand abstinence of adults if they have no problem aborting should they get knocked up.

 

[Mashmont]

Please address what I said.

Christianity has more adherents than any other religion (2.2 billbion). Some Christians crow about that. If you subtract those whom *you* say aren't "real" Christians, then it would be closer to the bottom in number of adherents.

BTW, the only religion that is larger than the Catholic denomination is Islam at 1.6 billion.

You're assuming all other religion have 100% of their people practicing.

 

[Closer]

Abortion is only murder in the minds of people who don't know what the word means and rarely barbaric. Convenience is totally subjective for every pregnant woman and in most cases her reason to have an abortion is legitimate.

Very often contraception fails or the sex partners forgot to use it. Abstinence-only sex education never works because the curriculum excludes teaching kids why contraception does not always work. One of them is the device broke. Another is both partners thought only one person needs to use contraception. Then there are the people who buy the wrong size condom or ring for their bodies and others simply don't know how to use them. If health teachers were required to teach kids the reasons contraception fails, far fewer of their students would have unwanted pregnancies after getting married. Another flaw in sex education is they don't teach students anything about how to avoid being raped. There is no reason any mom should be punished for what the dad did.

LOL rubbish 'logic' and vapid handwaves. There is no reason to get pregnant at all if one doesn't want children. Mindless self-indulgence isn't a right, it's a neurosis.

 

[Closer]

Abortion is not murder. Mighty CONVENIENT that your body will never suffer the ravages of pregnancy and childbirth, isn't it?

There is no real good reason to demand abstinence of adults if they have no problem aborting should they get knocked up.

It's mighty convenient that you need to change the name of murder to 'Something Else' just to peddle mindless self-indulgence as a necessity.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

LOL rubbish 'logic' and vapid handwaves. There is no reason to get pregnant at all if one doesn't want children. Mindless self-indulgence isn't a right, it's a neurosis.

I just told you why people get pregnant when they don't want children. If you don't understand my post, you either did not read it or have very poor reading comprehension. I was very clear in my explanation.

 

[Bodi]

It’s pretty simple. If you don’t believe in Catholic teaching, you aren’t Catholic

The Church itself contradicts itself, has aligned in power/political moves, called for the death of people, etc etc.

The Catholic Church is one of the most ****ed up institutions on planet and anybody that thinks that they are a true Catholic is an utterly ****ed up person at their core... or just ignorant as all hell. ...or gullible.. . or criminal... depraved?

 

[Scrabaholic]

You're assuming all other religion have 100% of their people practicing.

I never said that.

 

[Scrabaholic]

It's mighty convenient that you need to change the name of murder to 'Something Else' just to peddle mindless self-indulgence as a necessity.

Abortion isn't murder. FACT.

 

[nota bene]

The Church itself contradicts itself, has aligned in power/political moves, called for the death of people, etc etc.

I guess I don't keep up. Could you offer examples of the Church calling for people's deaths within your lifetime or, oh, the 20th century?

 

[Closer]

Abortion isn't murder. FACT.

Yes, it is. FACT.

 

[ASHES]

Yes, it is. FACT.

Who was the last patient or doctor convicted of murder for an elective abortion?

 

[Closer]

More on just how demented abortion 'logic' is ...

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live? | Journal of Medical Ethics

jme.bmj.com

If the death of a newborn is not wrongful to her on the grounds that she cannot have formed any aim that she is prevented from accomplishing, then it should also be permissible to practise an after-birth abortion on a healthy newborn too, given that she has not formed any aim yet.


There are two reasons which, taken together, justify this claim:

1. The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus, that is, neither can be considered a ‘person’ in a morally relevant sense.
2. It is not possible to damage a newborn by preventing her from developing the potentiality to become a person in the morally relevant sense.

We are going to justify these two points in the following two sections.

This is the next new pseudo-intellectual fad for the sociopaths who love murdering babies; next they want to go after two year olds as fodder for their sick human sacrifice cult.

 

[Closer]

Who was the last patient or doctor convicted of murder for an elective abortion?

Who was the last camp guard prosecuted by the Nazis for murdering Jews?

 

[ASHES]

More on just how demented abortion 'logic' is ...

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live? | Journal of Medical Ethics

jme.bmj.com

If the death of a newborn is not wrongful to her on the grounds that she cannot have formed any aim that she is prevented from accomplishing, then it should also be permissible to practise an after-birth abortion on a healthy newborn too, given that she has not formed any aim yet.


There are two reasons which, taken together, justify this claim:

1. The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus, that is, neither can be considered a ‘person’ in a morally relevant sense.
2. It is not possible to damage a newborn by preventing her from developing the potentiality to become a person in the morally relevant sense.

We are going to justify these two points in the following two sections.

This is the next new pseudo-intellectual fad for the sociopaths who love murdering babies; next they want to go after two year olds as fodder for their sick human sacrifice cult.

Cherry picking absurd arguments held by a small minority and applying that standard to your entire opposition. That's like everyone else judging you based on the worst actions of the anti-abortionists.

 

[ASHES]

Who was the last camp guard prosecuted by the Nazis for murdering Jews?

There hasn't been a Nazi camp in 76 years. How many abortions have taken place in the United States, just today?

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Yes, it is. FACT.

You obviously do not know what the word murder means. Everyone who says abortion is not murder actually does know that.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Yes, it is. FACT.

Prove it. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person/human being by a person/human being.

 

[Scrabaholic]

More on just how demented abortion 'logic' is ...

There is no such thing as after birth abortion. Abortion is termination of pregnancy.

 

[Closer]

There hasn't been a Nazi camp in 76 years. How many abortions have taken place in the United States, just today?

So you concede that murder being legal is no excuse, yet you still avidly support it as a 'solution' to a lack of self-control.

 

[Closer]

There is no such thing as after birth abortion. Abortion is termination of pregnancy.

Take it uo with the authors. You will be avidly supporting them too when their become fashionable enough among your peers., same as you currently are with murdering babies for committing the horrifying and despicable crime of Inconvenience.